31 Aug 02 - 04:41 AM (#774734) Subject: The Rosemary From: GUEST,Folkmonster I am looking for the lyrics of "The Rosemary" as sung by Jon Raven on 'Songs of a Changing World' (LP long gone alas). Search on "the aged old bollinder started to run" drew a blank, as did "brummagem" ... FM |
31 Aug 02 - 05:00 AM (#774736) Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROSEMARY (Pete Dodds) From: masato sakurai From: HERE (The Rosemary) (with score).
THE ROSEMARY |
31 Aug 02 - 05:26 AM (#774741) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: GUEST,Folkmonster Hey, now that's what a call a Mudcat response! Less than 20 mins Big thanks! |
31 Aug 02 - 05:32 AM (#774742) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: masato sakurai "The Rosemary" is on THE BOLD NAVIGATORS: THE STORY OF ENGLAND'S CANALS IN SONG by Jon Raven, John Kirkpatrick, Sue Harris, Gary & Vera Aspey, Brian Peters, Ian Woods. It has been reissued by Fellside (FTSR4). Info is HERE (Scroll down to the bottom of the page). Incidentally, Jon Raven wrote The Urban and Industrial Songs of the Black Country and Birmingham (Broadside, 1977), where this song is not contained. |
31 Aug 02 - 05:24 PM (#774944) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: Susanne (skw) Thanks a million, masato! I have The Bold Navigators CD reissue, but there was no songsheet with it and I still haven't worked out most of the lyrics, so this is very welcome. |
01 Sep 02 - 12:52 AM (#775063) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: Gurney An aside: Most english midlanders say Brummegem or Brum for Birmingham, except in Derbyshire where they used to say Birningham. As a young man I tried to find out why. In the Doomsday Book compiled for William the Conk there was then, in that area, a village of Brymwitchham (spelling from memory), which was reason enough for me to stop looking. Wassail. |
03 Sep 02 - 11:29 AM (#776205) Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROSEMARY (add. verses by Dave Bryant) From: Dave Bryant I always thought that the transition from "It's a fine day for boating" to "On dark stormy nights" was rather abrupt, so many years ago I added a couple of verses to explain what happened in between. You can find them recorded on "They're coming back to the water" (Folksound FCD 47) by Jeff Dennison and Benny Graham. He was seen up at Curdworth by the short tunnel's mouth. Then he he motored down to Fazely and there he turned south. He spoke to the keeper at Atherstone top, But he never arrived at the Hawkbury Stop. Some say there's deep holes in the Coventry's bed, Some say that he turned up the Ashby instead. There's stories and theories, but for all folks do say, Neither boat nor boatman have been seen since that day. The two verses fit in before the last one. NB for any canal purists - I do know that the junction of the Coventry and North Oxford canals is normally known as Hawksbury Junction OR Sutton Stop, but combining the names gave me something that fitted! |
09 Sep 02 - 07:14 AM (#779549) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: Dave Bryant refresh |
09 Sep 02 - 06:58 PM (#780068) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: Susanne (skw) Thanks, Dave! I've always thought that part of the story seemed to be missing, and these verses fit very well. |
04 Mar 05 - 12:14 PM (#1426591) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: GUEST,Folkmonster Follow up - someone mentioned to me that the tune to 'the rosemary' is incredibly similar to 'old pendle' - it is! the tune is by the late Brian Osborne of the Blackpool Taverners. From what I can remember of the rosemary the tune *is* similar but as it is 20 years since I heard it ... If it is the same, I wonder who wrote the tune first? Does anyone have the music for the rosemary? I know 'old pendle'. FM |
04 Mar 05 - 05:43 PM (#1426891) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Rosemary From: Susanne (skw) I suppose the tune must be older than Old Pendle. I've got a song by Colin Wilkie to the same tune, and when I asked him he had never even heard of 'Old Pendle'. |
21 Jan 07 - 09:18 PM (#1943760) Subject: RE: Req/ADD: The Rosemary (Pete Dodds) From: bubblyrat The Bolinder engine is usually referred to as either a Hot -Bulb engine, or a Semi-Diesel.Compression was VERY low,& they could be started by rotating the flywheel by foot,or sometimes,hand. Bolinder was probably the most famous make, but engines of the type were made by Kromhaut, Petter, & National,among others .English narrowboats usually had a single-cylinder model of about 12 horsepower, and indeed some are still used in enthusiasts' boats to this day.However, some quite large 2-cylinder models of up to 50 HP were made---one of these was fitted in a ferry that operated on Lake Titticaca,for example !! The Hot-Bulb engine would run on just about any oil that would burn. It was essential to pre-heat the cast-iron "bulb" that sat on top of the cylinder-head. This involved the use of one or,usually,more paraffin blow-lamps, and could take up to half an hour !! When the "bulb" was glowing red-hot, the boatman would pull out the spring-loaded pin in the massive flywheel, and literally kick-start the engine.Quite often ,the engine started backwards, which it was designed to do,in which case the boatman got a nasty wound or,often,a broken leg.The captain of a Baltic Trader,from Scandinavia,had an arm ripped out by one !!But once the engine was running,it would only stop when the fuel was turned off,and many English narrowboat crews left them running for days on end !! Oddly enough,they are quite "Green",as they will run on rape-seed oil or cleaned-up cooking-oil---The boat-engine of the future,perhaps ????? |
04 Jun 14 - 05:34 PM (#3630364) Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Rosemary (Pete Dodds) From: GUEST,guest -headey Presume this is the Colin Wilkie tune, I didn't find the original in my quick google www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsQfSwf9Us The 1976 BBC "Canal Children" used the same melody www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXlC24prOA but 'credited to/arr by' accordionist Jack Emblow. His version sounds more melancholic to me. The line "polished the beam" -should be "polished the brass" www.waterwaysongs.co.uk/rosemary.htm Probably badly copied from handwriting... 'r' became 'e' 'ss' became 'm' Thanks DB, those two verses make the song complete for me. Still can't bring myself to sing "Fol-de-rol, fol-de-ri-do" though.:) And here is a Bolinder under an echoey bridge www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO-LJVYqsto |
04 Jun 14 - 10:30 PM (#3630405) Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Rosemary (Pete Dodds) From: Leadfingers That's a shame - The Link doesn't work !
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04 Jun 14 - 11:46 PM (#3630418) Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Rosemary (Pete Dodds) From: Joe Offer There's a recording of "The Rosemary" available on Spotify (coupled with Bolinder sound effects), but you may have to search under the album title, The Bold Navigators. And then you'll get distracted by all the other songs on the album, and you'll get nothing else done today. What a great song! What a great album! -Joe- |
26 Apr 15 - 03:16 PM (#3704329) Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Rosemary (Pete Dodds) From: FreddyHeadey There is a very similar tune from a couple of Russians here КендерМор/_/Новая Any Russian Mudcatters to comment? ... |
18 Apr 17 - 08:22 PM (#3851112) Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: The Rosemary (Pete Dodds) From: FreddyHeadey Starting the Bolinder of the NB Spey https://youtu.be/H39drBmwxL8 but describing all that in a song... |