31 Aug 02 - 05:44 PM (#774949) Subject: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: Leadfingers Can any Catters out there help with this one? Where did the tune for the song Bunch of Thyme come from and does it predate W C Handy's Careless Love ? When I used to play very bad Jazz sax and clarinet,I blew some right codswallop on Careless Love,then got turned on to Folk,and found the same tune as a TRADITIONAL song.And It wasn't Traditional Jazz. |
31 Aug 02 - 10:08 PM (#775028) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: Malcolm Douglas Try typing careless love into the very useful "Digitrad and Forum Search", which you will find on the main Forum page. bunch of thyme, too, for that matter. You'll be amazed. |
01 Sep 02 - 12:04 AM (#775048) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: masato sakurai From: James J. Fuld, The Book of World-Famous Music, 4th ed. (Dover, 1995, p. 163):
Words of this song, one of the earliest blues, appeared in Howard W. Odum, "Folk-Song and Folk-Poetry as Found in the Secular Songs of the Southern Negroes" in Journal of American Folklore, Lancaster, Pa., and New York, N.Y., July-Sept., 1911, p. 286, under the title Kelly's Love; ULS, p. 1435. Words also appeared in 1915 under the title Careless Love in Perrow, p. 147, with a notation "From Mississippi; country whites; MS of R. J. Slay; 1909." As "Kelly's" and "Careless" have similar sounds, one is probably a corruption of the other; but which came first is not known.
W.C. Handy copyrighted "Careless Love" (1926) and "Loveless Love" (1921) separately. Both versions are in Blues: An Anthology, edited by W.C. Handy (1926; 1949; Macmillan, 1972, pp. 55 & 146-149). Abbe Niles wrote notes (pp. 206 & 212):
Careless Love
Loveless Love
See also The Traditional Ballad Index: Careless Love, with little info on the origin. ~Masato
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01 Sep 02 - 12:26 AM (#775058) Subject: Lyr Add: KELLY'S LOVE From: masato sakurai From: Howard W. Odum and Guy B. Johnson, The Negro and His Songs (1925; Negro Universities Press, 1968, pp. 194-195; without music):
KELLY'S LOVE
Love, Kelly's love,
When I wo' my aprons low,
Now I weahs my aprons high,
Now I weahs my aprons to my chin,
See what Kelly's love have done.
If I had listened to what my mamma said,
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01 Sep 02 - 01:37 PM (#775232) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: Mr Red Don't know the history of Bunch of Thyme but I have heard many an erudite folkie tell of the symbolism. Thyme=maidenhead, Garden=wider area thereabouts, Rose=baby. I took it to be old but you can be lead astra sometimes. |
02 Sep 02 - 01:53 PM (#775660) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: Leadfingers Thanks for the info,but its the tune that I am curious about.Was the tune taken up by the Careless Love people or was the Careless Love tune taken because it fitted the Lyric of Bunch of Thyme? Did some one not like the original traditional tune? Any Ideas? |
02 Sep 02 - 02:20 PM (#775676) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: McGrath of Harlow I'd put my money on that tune being a lot older than W C Handy's version. |
03 Sep 02 - 07:18 PM (#776457) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: Leadfingers I Believe you,McGrath,but I would like a fact or two.I hate not knowing something about a song that I use . |
06 Oct 06 - 01:30 PM (#1852133) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: Cruiser Did the precedence of the melody ever get resolved? My guess would be the same as McGrath's. |
21 Sep 24 - 06:07 AM (#4208669) Subject: RE: Help: Careless Love / Bunch of Thyme From: GUEST i think the song careless love has been coppywrited by evreyboddy in the music bisnis. like what you say on this mutkap fred there has been listings of it in all the writers and colekters have poot new meanings of the songs wirds. there is no comfirm who wrote this song atall. abunsh of time was writen with the same tune was first pictup by foster and alin an irish band from dublan who were influinst by amerikin folk music. i donot no if they wrote it but they first recorded it. |