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01 Sep 02 - 12:20 AM (#775052) Subject: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum 38th Annual Getaway
Friday October 18, 2002 through Sunday October 20, 2002
FOOD, HOUSING, FEES AND OTHER LOGISTICSCamp Ramblewood is on the banks of the Susquehanna River just a few miles upriver from Havre de Grace, Maryland. Friday evening is our usual potluck dinner, with foods that change as each successive party arrives. Your registration fee covers lodging in cabins with real mattresses and hot showers, as well as all meals on Saturday and Sunday (and even a breakfast on Monday, if you choose to linger). Or you may come for the day if you are unable to get away for the whole weekend. Daytrippers are offered two meals--lunch and dinner--each day. (But you MUST register in advance if you wish to dine!) While the cabins have no central heat, we are permitted to bring electric space heaters (as long as we don't overload the fuses for any individual cabin!) Smoking is prohibited in any camp building. There are handicapped accessible cabins, and arrangements can be made to help people who need help negotiate the slopes of the site, but please let us know your needs when you register, or call the Getaway chair for details. A limited number of vehicles will be permitted to shuttle up and down the hill. And for those who are early-to-bed types (or have small children), a few cabins will be designated as quiet areas, with no singing after 10 pm. Getaway fees depend on whether you're an FSGW member or not, and whether you're an adult or a child. See the registration form for the fee that applies to you. Fees are determined by our actual costs to run this event--food, camp rental, etc. If you're not yet a member of the FSGW, but you join now, you will pay the lower member rates for the Getaway. They've gone up ever so slightly since last year, but we limited the increase to the minimum necessary to try to break even on this year's event. We've also changed the fee structure to allow full-time students to attend at the same fee-rate as teenagers, to encourage attendance by college-age folks.
Scholarships are AvailableWe especially encourage families to come, and if the fees seem too steep, some scholarship money is available for those who need help in affording the Getaway, thanks to the Linda Lieberman/David Olive Memorial Fund . If you need assistance, contact the Getaway chair, Charlie Baum at chbaum@earthlink.net or 301-587-2286. On the other hand, if you can afford to contribute to the scholarship fund, you'll help to interest the next generation in folk music. Remember that we hold a silent auction at the Getaway to help replenish the Lieberman/Olive fund--you may wish to bring items to auction off to help others who can't afford the whole cost of the weekend.
For Children, a Kid-Friendly EnvironmentActivities for kids will include interactive games and stories and an evening campfire complete with singing, stories and marshmallows. If any parent would like to provide materials for a do-it-yourself crafts table or a toy chest (contributions of out-grown toys) please call Rita Ferrara at 301-946-2161.
Volunteers Are Needed to Help with Some TasksWe'll also need some volunteers to help out with some chores:
What is the Getaway Like?For more than 37 years, FSGW has held its Getaway weekend so that members and friends can share music, stories, crafts and dance in a relaxed camp setting. The Getaway is:
ScheduleA schedule of organized events at the 2001 Getaway may be viewed by clicking here. The 2002 Getaway promises equally wonderful programming. On-line versions will be posted as the program develops.
Special GuestsWe've invited a few special guests to make sure interesting music happens. This year's guests include Sandy and Caroline Paton, Kendall Morse, Rick Fielding, and the Missing Person Soup Kitchen Gospel Quartet (Bill and Becky Kimmons and Will Fanning).
FeesGetaway fees depend on whether you're an FSGW member or not, and whether you're an adult or a child. Fees are determined by our actual costs to run this event--food, camp rental, etc. The fees for 2002 can be found on the registration form, downloadable here in .pdf form.RegistrationA registration form can be found in the FSGW newsletter, or downloaded here. It's in .pdf format, which can be read with Acrobat Reader which can be downloaded here, if you don't already have it. You can print it out on your own printer, and mail it in with the appropriate fees.
FacilitiesThe dining hall, several common rooms, the pub, the drama barn, the dance barn (with a hardwood sprung floor), and the outdoor pavilion offer all-weather spaces for music making and dancing. NO SMOKING is allowed in any of the camp buildings.If you choose to go to bed, there are more than 50 rooms, mostly in modern cabins. They feature indoor flush plumbing and hot showers; comfortable beds with box-spring mattresses (bring your own linens and bedding). There are handicapped-accessible cabins with wheelchair-accessible bathrooms for those who need them; please indicate any special needs when you register. Cabins are not usually heated (bring warm clothes!), although we will be permitted to bring low-wattage space heaters, providing they don't overwhelm the camp's electrical system (check with the organizers for details). You may also bring electric blankets and the like, and there are electical outlets in every cabin. If you prefer to bring a tent or your own RV, you may do so, and camp on the grounds (no discounts, but you get guaranteed privacy!). If you don't want to sing, there's a pond with boats (and stocked with fish), tennis courts, ball fields, and a trail through the woods to the banks of the Susquehanna. The immediate area offers antiques, history and horse farms. (See more of Camp Ramblewood at its website: www.ramblewood.com.)
Handicapped AccessibilityCamp Ramblewood is on a hillside. Many buildings are wheelchair accessible, though some are not. With advanced notice, we will try to avoid scheduling things you might want to attend in those inaccessibile spaces. For folks who cannot manage the hill, a limited number of vehicles will be permitted to drive about the camp. Please contact the organixer, Charlie Baum at 301-587-2286 if you have mobility problems and would like a Ramblewood handicapped access pass, allowing you to drive up and down the hill.
For further information, please contact the Program coordinator: Charlie Baum at getaway@fsgw.org or 301-587-2286 or via a Mudcat Private Message. |
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01 Sep 02 - 12:23 AM (#775054) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum Shortcut to download for people who just want to register: http://fsgw.org/getreg.pdf --Charlie Baum |
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01 Sep 02 - 12:34 AM (#775061) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn Won't miss it this time either. See ya there. Barry |
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01 Sep 02 - 08:56 AM (#775126) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri To download, mouse onto any of the above links that go to http://fsgw.org/getreg.pdf, Right click on the link and select "Save Target As." Stick it in a file somewhere to print later. |
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01 Sep 02 - 09:09 AM (#775129) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Peg Darn! I can't be there. I will be in England at the Buffy conference. Have a great time everyone! Peg
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01 Sep 02 - 09:10 AM (#775130) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Dani Whooo HOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it too early to get this excited?! I've been too busy this year to sing more than twice, possibly three times, but I'm coming anyway to join in on the choruses. Dani |
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01 Sep 02 - 09:26 AM (#775133) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Morticia Well, I'm getting excited and my plane ticket is booked. |
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01 Sep 02 - 10:24 AM (#775151) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Homeless We've already got plane tickets too. Can anyone suggest the best way to get from the airport to the getaway? Is a rental car the only option? |
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01 Sep 02 - 11:41 AM (#775183) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D Homeless ..."the airport"?? which one?...sometimes rides can be arranged. Plenty of time to plan...*smile* |
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01 Sep 02 - 12:51 PM (#775209) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Homeless Hey Bill, I was hoping that "rides could be arranged" in some manner. Or at least a carpool or something. I didn't want to put out too much information until I knew there was some kind of opportunity tho. *g* We're getting into Baltimore around 2:30. |
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01 Sep 02 - 01:01 PM (#775214) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,harpgirl Does Ramblewood have camping? |
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01 Sep 02 - 06:10 PM (#775339) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D well, I know at least one family pitched a tent last year...it is not set up for LOTS of camping, but they seem to be pretty loose about it. Homeless...2:30 Friday at BWI?...sounds like a distinct possibility..*smile*...I know of several folks who will be going from DC area to Ramblewood Fri. afternoon...including me...... and (Rita) Ferrara & I 'tend' to be early, as she does the workshop schedule, and I just like to be early..*grin*...We have a large van. Ongoing discussions as time approaches (we need to see how many others are flying in and need rides and coordinate)....PMs if you wish.. |
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01 Sep 02 - 06:25 PM (#775343) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Vixen & Reynaud usually set up a tent. I'm thinking of doing it this year. There would be a lot less snoring in my own tent. |
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02 Sep 02 - 11:29 AM (#775574) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D a few devlish souls debated a "snoring workshop" a few years ago...we imagined going around on Friday night and Saturday night with a tape recorder and taping snores...then playing it back on Sunday and asking attendees to guess the snorers...*grin*....
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02 Sep 02 - 04:00 PM (#775728) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Tinker Thanks for the cllickies, I've downloaded my form and I'll send it off tommorrow. Tinker |
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02 Sep 02 - 04:49 PM (#775760) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GutBucketeer Hey, I didn't hear anyone snoring. Everytime I woke up it was quiet :-). The green earplugs work great! JAB
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02 Sep 02 - 06:37 PM (#775809) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick I am giddy with excitement. You ever seen a man my size get giddy? It is not a pretty sight. I believe that her Royalness, the head Mother at Mother Earth News, none other than our own Wyo Woman, Racy Kacy Compton is also going to be in attendance. Charlie, my registration is forthcoming. Mick |
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02 Sep 02 - 07:05 PM (#775827) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: SINSULL I don't snore...end of discussion. |
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02 Sep 02 - 07:20 PM (#775832) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Note to self: don't forget duct tape. |
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02 Sep 02 - 08:05 PM (#775856) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D WyoWoman?? wow....*note to self..don't forget the bubble wrap!* |
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02 Sep 02 - 08:57 PM (#775875) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Amos GodDAMMIT!! Why does everything East of Yuma have to be so damn far away???!!! Wishing i could join you Wylde Wuns....but, I'll be there is my thoughts, calling out "LET the Wylde Rumpus Begin!". A |
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03 Sep 02 - 01:37 AM (#775960) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bert You ever seen a man my size get giddy? The TROLL in Harry Potter!!! |
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03 Sep 02 - 10:09 AM (#776161) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum Camping is welcome, if you'd prefer to stay in your own tent or RV. (No discount on price, though--sorry.) Ramblewood may be East of Yuma, but there are good travel bargains available to Baltimore (BWI) on Southwest Airlines. --Charlie Baum |
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05 Sep 02 - 04:09 PM (#777667) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario I've downloaded the app - requested the days off - just waiting for the paycheck to send it in! |
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05 Sep 02 - 04:32 PM (#777683) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Amergin well piss....yet another year i cant make it...sigh... |
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05 Sep 02 - 05:13 PM (#777711) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall I can't make those links work. |
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05 Sep 02 - 05:17 PM (#777715) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall It just came through. |
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05 Sep 02 - 08:27 PM (#777808) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Tinker Forms and check went in the mail today.... Can't wait....Tinker |
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05 Sep 02 - 09:10 PM (#777822) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn Glad you're making it this time MMario. I owe you a couple songs if you'll remind me. Hey Big Mickey, will ya hold a CD for me (ya, I'm willing to pay). Besides I'll be right up front with ya, I'm stealing a couple songs from ya. Barry |
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06 Sep 02 - 12:49 AM (#777919) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick Done deal, Barry. I will have a supply with me. And..........go ahead and swipe 'em. I got them from someplace anyway.......hahahahaha. I can't wait to see you, my friend. Bringing the Missus? If not, then give her a big hug from The Mick. |
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06 Sep 02 - 09:05 PM (#778397) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Janie Yippee!!!! Can't wait to get away to the Getaway. I don't snore either, Sinsull--it was sister Annie throwing her snore and making it sound like me! I know--if it gets too bad, let's you and me go crawl in the tent with Jeri *BG*. Alan C--will ya sing with me again? Janie |
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07 Sep 02 - 01:50 AM (#778484) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,mg maybe we can do a satellite link from Sunnycamp....just joking although we probably could..we got some honker something at the WSU station. Someone will have a cell phone and we'll call and we'll see how you are all faring. And Amos and Amergin, within your geographical area that very same weekend is a brand new camp that you can attend for only $50 if you register right now, and you don't have to fly to get there..just a beautiful drive on a guaranteed sunny day. How much is FSGW? I couldn't get the pdf file on my computer. How many people usually go? Do you all cook or have a cook there? (How do you, or do you, handle the blue book question?) mg
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07 Sep 02 - 08:45 AM (#778588) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick Mary, the cost for the entire weekend is US$161.00. That is three nights lodging, meals and all the workshops, singarounds, and miniconcerts you can stand. If you want to come in Saturday and Sunday only, it is about $150.00. Or you can day camp it, but I forget what the cost is. It seems like there are about 200 to 250 attendees. It is an amazing gathering. The FSGW folks are wonderful hosts. Speaking for myself, I have been made to feel very welcome at this event from the beginning. One thing I would strongly encourage is that Mudcatters that come to this event mix freely. When we do our singaround in the cabin, let us invite our FSGW hosts to jump right in. Mick |
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07 Sep 02 - 09:39 AM (#778608) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall What is the meaning of those two black lines at the bottom of the registration page? They are partially blocking Jennifer's address. |
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07 Sep 02 - 10:11 AM (#778622) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: harpgirl I'm thinking this might be the year I attend. It is a bit on the pricey side with driving expenses and all, though. Of course, me mum has already told me not to go since she will worry too much about me driving alone.... I can't find directions to Ramblewood from Havre de Grace on Map Quest. Can you have a campfire at your campsite? Are there any actual campsites? I'm not the dormitory type, I'm afraid. I prefer the woods... |
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07 Sep 02 - 10:25 AM (#778629) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: wysiwyg Well, BOO, we are sponsoring and hosting a guitar/fiddle workshop on the evening of the 18th, so I'll keep you all in my thoughts. (Don't mind the cursing....) Barry, if you are through with the little plucked psaltery I lent you when you were sick, could you give it to Mmario? He and I can connect eventually-- OK Mmario? And anyone passing through our area on the way there or back is welcome to crash space here with us-- between Williamsport PA and Corning/Elmira NY. ~Susan
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07 Sep 02 - 03:02 PM (#778738) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick Harpgirl, you should PM Charley Baum, and he can guide you in. I could tell you, but I don't know the names of the roads. I can drive right to it, but can't explain it. You can pitch a tent, I imagine, but it is more fun in the cabin. Can't wait to meet. This is going to be a dandy. Mick |
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07 Sep 02 - 06:54 PM (#778826) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn Thanks WYSIWYG for the loan it was extremely thoughtful & kind. I will bring it with me & pass it along to MMario, ok MMario. Sorry you're tied up else where, it would've been such a treat to meet you there. If there's anything I can do in return let me know. I'm gonna (with the help of my kids) try to send alond with your psaltery, if it's ok with MMario, a bunch of religious slave & prison work songs, knowing you have a bit of a liking for this kind of stuff. Hopefully we'll meet somewhere donw the line. And thanks again. LOL. Barry |
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07 Sep 02 - 06:58 PM (#778827) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D Charlie will give 'explicit' directions...he is our living, breathing AAA...(it's not far off of I95, just south of the Penn. border) or you can click on this handy-dandy page from the Ramblewood web page *grin*... (as I was typing, I said "hey...I'll bet.." and I entered '"Camp Ramblewood" map' into Google...voilá!...ain't I clever?... No?...Cute?....ok, never mind... (there will probably be a couple of little signs posted along the last part, also) |
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07 Sep 02 - 07:09 PM (#778829) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Anybody else having a problem figuring out what the heck Barry's talking about regarding MMario who WILL be at the Getaway? I think his brain was scrambled when Mick french kissed him last year. I sent off application and money today. And if I can find Ramblewood in the dark, ANYBODY can find it. I SWEAR I'm gonna get there early this year. And Mick, IF YOU SHOW UP at 0-DARK-30 ON SATURDAY MORNING, HOPE SOMEBODY BROUGHT BAZOUKI-STRING-CUTTERS TO GET YOU DOWN FROM THE FLAGPOLE! Ahem...ok, I feel better now. |
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07 Sep 02 - 07:09 PM (#778830) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Gorgeous Gary I'll be there! And now that I have a DSL line, maybe I'll even manage to turn up in these parts often enough that some of y'all will actually remember who I am! Also, having just gotten home from the World Science Fiction Convention in San Jose, I can turn my attention fully to practicing the traditional end of my reportoire... -- Gary |
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07 Sep 02 - 08:45 PM (#778864) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario Barry was talking to WYSIWYG - and yes Barry - is okay - |
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07 Sep 02 - 09:09 PM (#778871) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Oops. MMario, I thought Barry was talking to you and YOU weren't coming after you said you were gonna be there, and...er, never mind. But thanks for explaining. |
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07 Sep 02 - 09:27 PM (#778875) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: wysiwyg Barry-- uh oh, now ya got me running around like a little excitable puppy dog! *G* Didja actually learn how to play the durn thing? Be sure you show Mmario how you got along on it! *G*G* ~Susan |
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07 Sep 02 - 10:51 PM (#778897) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato Hey BillD. Have Ferrera get PM Bobert. He's PMs me looking for you guys.
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07 Sep 02 - 10:53 PM (#778899) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato uh, that's PMd not PMS. Sorry about that. |
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07 Sep 02 - 11:06 PM (#778904) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D ok |
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08 Sep 02 - 09:53 PM (#779373) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall Does anyone know why Jennifer's address is partly blocked? Are we supposed to send it somewhere else? |
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09 Sep 02 - 12:38 AM (#779454) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: CarolC JtS and I are planning on making it to the Getaway this year. We're looking forward to seeing everybody there ;-) |
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09 Sep 02 - 01:20 AM (#779465) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: karen k Kendall, if you go to the FSGW website you can download it ok from there. I got those 2 black lines first also and then I got it directly from the website and it's fine. So glad you are coming again. See you there. |
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09 Sep 02 - 09:04 AM (#779610) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Vixen@Work Reynaud and I will be camping again (we can't wait, we can't wait!) No campfires, and we pitch our tent in the middle of the lawn between the dining hall and the cabins--not a "campsite" and definitely not in the woods. However, by the time the snoring has muffled through the cabin walls, 30 yards of the great outdoors, and the tent fabric, it's sort of like the sound of very large cats purring loudly at some distance, and is not too sleep-disrupting! Registration going out tomorrow morning! V |
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11 Sep 02 - 01:03 PM (#781371) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Vixen @ work Could somebody please post the registration addy. I've tried going directly to the website, and it's still blocked out. Check is ready...waiting to send... V (and Reynaud too, of course!) |
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11 Sep 02 - 02:10 PM (#781406) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum http://fsgw.org/getreg.pdf is the address for the downloadable Getaway registration form. --Charlie Baum |
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11 Sep 02 - 02:15 PM (#781413) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Kim C Dangit! I have a paying gig and a wedding that weekend! |
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11 Sep 02 - 05:55 PM (#781545) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall I would be there even if it was my OWN wedding! |
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12 Sep 02 - 02:16 PM (#782248) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Claymore I've just sent in my money, and since I will be coming from Shepherdstown WV (Cultural Hub of the Western World). I will be passing by Baltimore and BWI prior to the turn North to Ramblewood. Since I frequently do the sound for Scottish Weekend at Ramblewood (which this year is over the Sept 27-29 weekend) I am quite familiar with the location. Depending on what CarolC and JtS decide (see related threads), I may have room for one or two more in my car. As for those who know me, I have (of course) requested sleeping arrangements on the right side of the cabin line.. ;} ("Right" is subjective in this case, and is determined by the position of the ladies cabins, and (of course) my position with the ladies...) |
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12 Sep 02 - 02:23 PM (#782252) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario The wrong side of the cabin would be outdoors, wouldn't it? |
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12 Sep 02 - 04:33 PM (#782355) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Claymore And the right side of a female is... ? |
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12 Sep 02 - 04:52 PM (#782374) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario impossible to find for a male. unless she want's you to. |
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12 Sep 02 - 06:34 PM (#782467) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: JedMarum I iwsh I could be there this year. All the best to y'all! |
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12 Sep 02 - 06:59 PM (#782486) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: CET Her Majesty has found it possible to dispense with my services this year, so Charmion and I are going!! Thanks to Charlie Baum for telling us about the Getaway at Old Songs last year. Claymore: say hello to us when you get to the Getaway. We stayed in Shepherdstown as we were travelling around Virginia and West Virginia on our honeymoon four years ago. I see from another thread that Willie-O is hoping to get to the Getaway. It would be great to have an addition to our Ottawa contingent. Edmund |
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12 Sep 02 - 10:03 PM (#782645) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara mg, last year we had about 140 people, I think. It only seems like 250.... Cause we are all in a state of bliss that boggles the mind.... The camp cooks for us. They insist on it. Charlie Baum has done a great job of overseeing the menus and making sure there will be plenty of salads, fresh fruit, and generally tasty, good food. Yes, there's one campfire area, and an early evening campfire sing for kids on Saturday. I agree with Mick, I hope Mudcatters who are coming for the first time will be open to meeting and making music with ALL the people who are there, whether Mudcat or not. We do what we can to help everyone get acqainted. It's cosier that way. Susan/Wysiwyg, Boo Hoo right back, I sure would love it if you could get here one of these days (either that, or if Bill and I could get up there.) Karen K, I am SO happy to hear that you're planning to be there. Loved seeing you at Mystic. Has anyone heard if Joe Offer is likely to get here? Now, I think I'll start a thread about the Getaway program. We need suggestions! -- Don't write 'em here, I'll go now and start another thread. Rita F
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12 Sep 02 - 11:58 PM (#782732) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D "The camp cooks for us".. this is a change from what we have had the most of the last 20 years or so....We had usually had a general overseer and cook, and all adults had to give an hour or two to kitchen duty, but we had some pretty creative menus!!!...This camp does NOT allow outsiders to use their kitchen, so we get MORE freedom (no jockying for best work slots), but more standard menus ..still, it is decently done, and some like it a lot! I think that I prefer this arrangement 'slightly', as it lets me go to any workshop I can stay awake for and know that tolerable food will just appear! If we ever went back to the other way, it would be a shock to the system! |
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13 Sep 02 - 12:21 AM (#782749) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: JedMarum food was good last year - quite good and a good variety |
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13 Sep 02 - 12:23 AM (#782752) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: JedMarum ... I mean you can eat healthy if you want to; plenty of veggies and lower fat dishes to choose from ... along with all the standard fare. |
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13 Sep 02 - 04:38 AM (#782837) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Micca It is with GREAT REGRET I have to say that, due to circumstances over which I have no control, I can not join you all at the Getaway this year!!!! I will miss you all very much, having enjoyed the whole experience so much last year, and will look forward to, I hope, attending next years. |
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13 Sep 02 - 08:23 AM (#782913) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Micca! Not flying across for the weekend?! I'll miss you and your wee flask! Jed, I'll miss you very much. Fluffy Beef will be alone this year, and I'll miss my pillow and the 'Strings of Fury' instrument fu on the walk up the hill. I'll miss your music, but I'll look forward to one day hearing your new CD. You sure you couldn't stage a surprise appearance? |
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13 Sep 02 - 08:51 AM (#782928) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Vixen @ Work HELP-- Charlie, I tried the URL you posted after my last plea for help, and the form still has two black bars across it, both on the screen and when it prints. I've kept going out to the FSGW registration form, both from the links posted here, and by navigating there directly through my browser, in hopes that somehow whatever is causing the problem will get fixed, but I still can't read the number of the street address due to two black bars across the page. I'm a fairly savvy net user, but I can't figure out how to get around this one! V |
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13 Sep 02 - 08:54 AM (#782930) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario 8401 Cedar St. Silver spring, MD 20910 |
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13 Sep 02 - 08:58 AM (#782931) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Willie-O Yup, there's a pretty good likelihood I can make it. Certainly appears to be the place to be. Now line up in a row all you ducks! W-O (quack) |
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13 Sep 02 - 11:10 AM (#783036) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato In place of Micca we have Morticia. But she can she fill his shoes? I'm looking forward to meeting her and getting HER side of the story...hee hee. |
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13 Sep 02 - 01:21 PM (#783158) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Micca as they say in latin, Fortunato, take EVERYTHING she tells you " cum grano salis"!!! |
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13 Sep 02 - 01:27 PM (#783163) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario Even should she praise you, Micca? |
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13 Sep 02 - 01:27 PM (#783165) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Morticia I wouldn't go NEAR his shoes, let alone fill them LOL. I will have plenty of stories to tell,reputations to ruin and myths to explode....all the brit contingent who are beginning to sweat,there is little point on relying on my discretion, I don't have one.Five pound notes in a plain brown envelope will be a perfectly acceptable substitute however.*BG* I cannot begin to tell you how much I am looking forward to this! |
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13 Sep 02 - 01:31 PM (#783170) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario A collection for Morticia discretion? |
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13 Sep 02 - 02:12 PM (#783206) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato OOOOOO WE'RE GONNA HEAR IT ALL NOW. WHAT KIND OF A LAD WAS HE? |
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13 Sep 02 - 10:03 PM (#783571) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario check is in the mail! |
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14 Sep 02 - 01:07 PM (#783880) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: CET Anybody else coming from outside North America? Is the Friday night dinner pot-luck? |
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14 Sep 02 - 02:58 PM (#783936) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D Yep...Friday is potluck...but since we do NOT have kitchen access here, we need to plan stuff that can be cleaned up mostly by simple disposal in trash. That is, we cannot leave lots of dirty pans and such, since the camp does not want to do a big clean up before they do Sat breakfast. It's ok to bring a pot..but YOU need to rinse and remove it before bedtime Friday...(moving to disposable aluminium, fast food and such may suit some ....and remember if you are arriving 'late', bringing a bit complex dish may be overkill. Another good idea is having your own plastic mugs for coffee & such...the camp provides, but it is often handy to have YOUR mug to take to workshops and to reduce bouth clutter and confusion over which is which as you move around... |
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14 Sep 02 - 04:45 PM (#784001) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn Ya Bill, you just wanna blend into the drinking crowd with your cup, coffee, hah. Is this the origin of the saying "in his cups". I'll see you soon. Waiting on wife to make up her mind before sending off the check. Barry |
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14 Sep 02 - 06:20 PM (#784063) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Barry, it will be wonderful to see Justine again. If she's trying to make up her mind whether to come or not: YES, PLEASE!!! I'm glad I sent the check out early this year. I'd be in agony trying to justify the expense after my car croaked (it's better now) and knowing I still had to buy tires before the trip. I'd manage to justify it, but I'd still agonise for a while. Just please don't try to sell me anything - I am BROKE! (But I'm gonna be there!) |
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14 Sep 02 - 09:14 PM (#784142) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: SINSULL Ah Micca! I will miss you. It won't be nearly as interesting having Morticia prancing around the shower room naked. Next year, Luv. |
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15 Sep 02 - 12:54 PM (#784441) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall That's clearly a matter of opinion Sinsull! |
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15 Sep 02 - 08:56 PM (#784749) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Sandy Paton As it turns out, Caroline and I are going to have to miss all the music and madness (what's this shower prancing??) this year. We'll ask Big Mick to pass around replicated hugs to all, while we stay at home with our noses to the grindstone, so to speak. Life is real, and reality often bites. Sandy |
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16 Sep 02 - 06:51 AM (#784967) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Micca Sins,( how are you?? long time no hear!!!), Morty is not quite as prone to Nude prancing nude in the showers!! My story is,(and I am sticking to it)" The floor was wet(pools of water) and If I had taken my sleeping gear off it would have got very wet, so I took my kit off in the sleeping area and walked to the showers "au Naturel"" after all bodies are standard issue , most folks have one.. the Recording spirit with the clip board says " Hair....some Bodies.. one per client sense of Humour...Optional.. sense of Irony.....Not available in USA except to small group of selected customers and only with the "liking for folk/acoustic music option" |
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16 Sep 02 - 08:48 AM (#785015) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall This is a real bummer Sandy. BTW, reality is an illusion brought on by the lack of booze. |
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19 Sep 02 - 10:03 PM (#787960) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara I have GOT to start looking at Mudcat more often.... :-) Micca, awfully sorry you can't make it this year.... But still glad you got here in '01. Thanks for the kind words about the food, Jed. Charlie Baum is responsible for the availability of lots of fresh fruit and veggies, rather than the usual camp food menu of starch with starch on starch.... Sandy and Caroline, you already know how sad I feel that you can't be there.... Barry, please tell Justine that I second what Jeri says, YES PLEASE, would sure like it if she could get away. |
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25 Sep 02 - 12:23 PM (#791071) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario refresh for jande |
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25 Sep 02 - 01:02 PM (#791090) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Willie-O I may be leaving from Toronto to head to the getaway. Anyone interested in riding with me? Extended cab Mazda pickup. Lots of room in back for camping gear and those really bulky instruments. Seating for up to 3 passengers depending on their need for comfort(jump seats). Willie-O pm me or email bcameron@superaje.com |
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25 Sep 02 - 01:29 PM (#791116) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick This is going to be one of the best Getaways yet!!! Can't wait to see you again, Bill. Mick |
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26 Sep 02 - 08:43 PM (#792105) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,momnopp I'm reprinting a piece from Charlie's original post WAAAYYYY up there at the top, for context: Scholarships are Available We especially encourage families to come, and if the fees seem too steep, some scholarship money is available for those who need help in affording the Getaway, thanks to the Linda Lieberman/David Olive Memorial Fund . If you need assistance, contact the Getaway chair, Charlie Baum at chbaum@earthlink.net or 301-587-2286. On the other hand, if you can afford to contribute to the scholarship fund, you'll help to interest the next generation in folk music. Remember that we hold a silent auction at the Getaway to help replenish the Lieberman/Olive fund--you may wish to bring items to auction off to help others who can't afford the whole cost of the weekend. =============================== So, since I apparently did a good job of coordinating the Silent Auction last year (note to self: stop doing such a damn good job when you volunteer foolishly for something) I've volunteered to do it again. SHEESH -- some people are just gluttons for punishment!! :-) What this means: I will be the person who collects stuff that other people transport to the Getaway to be auctioned off. If you want to donate something, live in the DC metropolitan area, but WON'T be going to the Getaway, I can transport whatever you're donating for you (unless it's a tuba). If you need more information on this, I guess you can PM me or phone me at (301) 589-4008 in Maryland, USA. As ever, the Getaway is one of my very favorite weekends, even if all I do is sit and bask in the deliciousness of the other people attending. Peace, JudyO |
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26 Sep 02 - 08:48 PM (#792108) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario Judy - I will have at *least* one shawl to auction. (maybe more) |
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26 Sep 02 - 09:19 PM (#792115) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn If you've never seen a MMario shawl it's worth the trip. Barry |
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27 Sep 02 - 08:48 AM (#792321) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall I have a couple of things to contribute. |
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27 Sep 02 - 09:00 AM (#792324) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Dani I heard a rumor Kendall was offering "himself as a bunkmate" for the auction..... Dani |
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27 Sep 02 - 04:23 PM (#792591) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall DANI !! You said you wouldn't tell! |
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29 Sep 02 - 10:01 PM (#793756) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: SINSULL Anyone have the heart to outbid Max on Kendall? They made such a cute couple last year. Sandy and Caroline, It won't feel right without you. Don't decide yet... Mary |
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30 Sep 02 - 03:42 PM (#794197) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario refresh |
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04 Oct 02 - 02:25 PM (#796959) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: momnopp Rerefresh |
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04 Oct 02 - 08:48 PM (#797149) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri MICK, WHERE ARE YOU? What time are you planning on getting there? It's important for me to know because I'm considering starting a pool on how many hours (or days) late you'll be. |
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04 Oct 02 - 09:02 PM (#797153) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D I'm in for $1 saying he'll be on time...at least by 7pm Friday...yeah, call me a wide eyed optimist...but..... |
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04 Oct 02 - 09:17 PM (#797157) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick Damn...........guy gets busy and drops in for a little camaraderie, and what does he get??????? I tell ya, it ain't easy being me!! hahahahahahaha I haven't sent in my registration, I better take care of that. Bill, let 'em know I am coming, OK? I am actually going to try and make it at a dacent hour this time. But, I have been trying to do that for 3 years. My plan at this point is to try and leave very early Friday morning. We will see.......... Jeri..............I love ya.........put $5.00 in the pot for me.........LOL. Mick |
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04 Oct 02 - 09:18 PM (#797158) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Dani $5 on midnight... Dani |
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04 Oct 02 - 10:53 PM (#797188) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Mick, you can't put $5 down on when your leaving OR "a decent hour." I'd say it's not right you putting money on yourself, but I think you have as much chance of being right as anyone else. $1 on 1:30 AM Sat for me. Mick, it's hard to believe I actually sent my registration in before someone else! Send that bad boy IN! |
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05 Oct 02 - 09:10 PM (#797566) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn Finally, check's in the mail. Mick, I think you'll be lucky to get there before dawn, that's your usual routine & then you can't outlast your elder's for the rest of the weekend, shame, big healthy OLD man like yourself. I'll do my best, again, to keep you going but I sure wish one of these times you'd stand on your own two knees & give this little ol boy a break & step you up to the starting line. Go on, kick my butt it's happened, if you can but remember nobody ever came back to do it a second time. HA, HA, HA. Who loves ya baby. See ya soon. Barry |
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06 Oct 02 - 03:25 PM (#797756) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: annamill Glenn and I will be there Friday night. We are so looking forward to seeing, and hearing all of you next weekend. NEXT WEEKEND! Where has the time gone?? I can't wait. I haven't sent in the application yet, but I'll call tomorrow and get it in this week! Love, Annamill |
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06 Oct 02 - 04:31 PM (#797803) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Barry Finn Hi Annamill, are you thinking next weekend (Columbus Day) or the following weekend. See Charlie's post at the top. Don't want to be missing you guys. Barry 38th Annual Getaway Friday October 18, 2002 through Sunday October 20, 2002 (and even into Monday morning, October 21, 2002) Camp Ramblewood (Darlington, MD) |
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06 Oct 02 - 04:33 PM (#797808) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick Anna, my lovely friend, it is two weekends. The Getaway is October 18-21. Barry.......we will see who the old man is...........hahahaha. Bringing Justine? I sure hope so. Mick |
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06 Oct 02 - 04:39 PM (#797810) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Barry, is Justine coming? |
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06 Oct 02 - 04:50 PM (#797815) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri HA! Mick, you're in my head again. Would you try to find the name of that tune I was supposed to learn while you're in there? I've misplaced it. (No, I hadn't seen your post before I sent mine.) |
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06 Oct 02 - 04:52 PM (#797816) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Big Mick There is an appropriately randy comment to be made here, but I will hold it for when I see you.................LOL. Mick |
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06 Oct 02 - 04:59 PM (#797822) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 schedule of workshops,etc From: Big Mick Is the schedule of workshops and mini concerts available yet? Mick |
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06 Oct 02 - 06:54 PM (#797901) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D soon!, soon!..We were doing a craft show all weekend,..The first order of business for Rita tomorrow is to get the final details sorted out... |
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06 Oct 02 - 11:01 PM (#798071) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GutBucketeer Looks like I won't make it to the Getaway this year. I was really really looking forward to it too, but events and situations in my non music life have conspired against me. There is a small small chance that I may make it for awhile on Saturday or Sunday. If so see you then. Otherwise: Sing a JUG BAND song for me! Jim Bunch aka Gutbucketeer |
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07 Oct 02 - 04:21 PM (#798463) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST JIM! If I can leave my new baby (restaurant) for the weekend and drive my butt up there, YOU can make it for a song or two!! Just a little while!? Dani |
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07 Oct 02 - 10:54 PM (#798640) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Tinker Whaaaaahhh!! Jim, try to squeeze us in for an hour or two OK??? Make reality give way for a little bit of its alternative... Please... Kathy |
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09 Oct 02 - 12:51 PM (#799570) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: momnopp Just a reminder to be thinking about the Silent "Auction" and what you can donate that will yield some dollars for the Getaway scholarship fund. You can PM me with any questions, or if you're an FSGW member with a copy of the directory, my phone number's in there. Can't wait to see y'all!!!! JudyO |
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09 Oct 02 - 01:30 PM (#799605) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: annamill Ok, I err'd. We'll see you all in TWO weeks. We NEED this desperately. I think we'll be down on Friday this time. We always miss good stuff because we show up too late Sat. I better call Jennifer! Love, Annamill |
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09 Oct 02 - 02:02 PM (#799634) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato "The Fortunatos" will arrive Saturday morning I think and stay until Sunday afternoon. I hope to conjugate, uh, sorry, CONGREGATE with all the mudcatters and have a chance to share a tune or two. cheers, Chance. |
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09 Oct 02 - 07:51 PM (#799922) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall Sinsull, Morticia and Kendall will arrive on Friday. |
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09 Oct 02 - 08:40 PM (#799979) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Mick said "...but I will hold it for when I see you" ...ahem...urp. (Hey - so I'm slow!) Only nine days minus a couple of hours (I hope)!!!!!!!! |
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09 Oct 02 - 11:29 PM (#800068) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D ...and I'm told by Ferrara that the layout for the schedule was 'complete' as of 11:00 Mudcat time...a couple of confirmations and it can be posted!....or maybe posted anyway and changes posted..*grin*...(and there are always last minute tweaks) (she says the LIST will be posted tomorrow morning, and the grid as soon as those confirmations are done) |
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10 Oct 02 - 01:56 AM (#800128) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Hoorayyyy!!!! It's done (almost, well, somewhat, that is, it will be upon receiving confirmation from all the folks who have to be consulted about the final definition of what they are leading, that is). Many thanks to Nancy King, who worked with me for several hours this evening. Nancy, I still can hardly believe how much we accomplished. I have to tell you, we made quite a number of "executive decisions". For this reason, I can't put much of the schedule on-line until folks confirm that they're OK with the changes we made in their workshops. I already know one probable change: We scheduled Fortunato & Suzette to lead "Old Time Country Music" on Sunday at 2:30. Fortunato, this is due to my rotten memory, I got the days reversed (I do this to at least one person every year....) Will move you to Saturday and move C & W to Sunday if need be. I sent out a bunch of e-mails and PM's tonight to various workshop leaders, will put up all workshops that have been confirmed tomorrow and will update as frequently as I can. If you didn't get an e-mail or PM, we have already agreed on what you're leading and there are no changes in your schedule that I know of. Once the grid is up, you all get to yell about it for about 3 days before it gets cast in concrete so don't panic if we have put you in two workshops at the same time, just give us a gentle hint and we'll fix it, OK? Or, if we've set you up against one of the sessions you really were hoping to attend, let me know and we'll TRY to fix it. Thanks again to Nancy for all the help; she's wonderful to work with, she knows almost everyone on the program whether they're from FSGW or Mudcat, she has great ideas and understands the problems of setting up the program -- we are all going to benefit from her input into the program. Cheers all, will give an update tomorrow, Rita |
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10 Oct 02 - 11:21 AM (#800370) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Nancy King You're welcome, Rita! Glad to be of assistance! You know where I am if you need me again. This is gonna be a hell of a program, folks -- remember to take your vitamins! Can't wait to see you all -- Cheers, Nancy |
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10 Oct 02 - 11:40 AM (#800385) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato Thanks, Nancy, yous a peach. |
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10 Oct 02 - 03:00 PM (#800529) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Impatient Rita, If you can't publish the schedule could you at least publish a list of the workshop titles so we can start thinking about songs to sing. Thanks |
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10 Oct 02 - 03:16 PM (#800541) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Fortunato "Bertha Lou, Bertha Lou, I want to conjugate with you,..." |
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10 Oct 02 - 04:42 PM (#800603) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Hi, Impatient, I'm working on the list of workshop names. We made some changes. Should have a list covering most of the workshops by this evening. Subject to change, though.... Rita |
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11 Oct 02 - 11:58 AM (#801145) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Okay, here it is, courtesy of Max's new make-a-link feature: List of the Getaway Workshops This will be the main page for the Getaway Program. Once the schedule grid is done I'll add links for Saturday and Sunday on the main page. Rita |
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11 Oct 02 - 01:04 PM (#801193) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: annamill Can't wait! Thanks Rita. |
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11 Oct 02 - 03:28 PM (#801302) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara refresh--grids are now up |
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11 Oct 02 - 03:49 PM (#801316) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Claymore To cross reference the Contra Dance class on Saturday, at 5:30 PM in the Gym, please see the thread "HELP! Fiddlers Needed at FSGW Getaway". |
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11 Oct 02 - 04:11 PM (#801329) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D ok, the grid in now up in two forms...we have added GIF images for those who might have problems printing the HTML page here are links to the GIFs-(I hope) Saturday grid Sunday grid |
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11 Oct 02 - 04:24 PM (#801341) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D To see a somewhat clearer version of the grids, go to the main program page. Rita will keep links to all new Getaway program stuff there. Here is the link: Main Page To print any of the grid pages, remember to set your printer for Landscape, not Portrait. |
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11 Oct 02 - 05:14 PM (#801359) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: karen k Rita, You are awesome. This schedule is fantastic. Can't wait to see you. |
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11 Oct 02 - 09:09 PM (#801484) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Durnitt - Jams and accompaniments is the same time as the ONLY workshop I'm co-leading, and I suggested it 'cause I wanted to go. Riiiiitaaaa....(whine) |
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11 Oct 02 - 09:19 PM (#801486) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri P.S. You're still awesome! |
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11 Oct 02 - 09:27 PM (#801487) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: momnopp I'm getting to work on cloning myself even as we speak... :-D I can't WAIT... |
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11 Oct 02 - 09:33 PM (#801492) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri I'm wondering if I can dash from Fielding in the TV room UP THE FLIPPIN' HILL to Schatz in the barn before the show's over! They could move that hill elsewhere you know - there's time. |
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11 Oct 02 - 09:41 PM (#801500) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario I only see one major conflict for me.....jumping for joy! |
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11 Oct 02 - 10:10 PM (#801515) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Gorgeous Gary Ooh...I **like** the schedule. I can make **much** mischief with this schedule! 8-) I've particularly noted the Kipling session... -- Gary |
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11 Oct 02 - 10:13 PM (#801520) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D "They could move that hill elsewhere you know - there's time." SURE they can....except that... |
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12 Oct 02 - 01:25 AM (#801566) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Jeri ... Objections duly noted ... I share your objection to the Hill.... Don't know what if anything I can do except maybe you could just stay for the 1st half hour of the Meet'n'Greet then run out on us? Nancy has also threatened to do so.... :-) There will have to be some shuffling according to a couple of e-mails I've received anyway. But the more I look at it, the fewer opportunities for shuffling meet the eye. Sigh..... Will do what I can but then some other poor person is going to get their schedule messed up no doubt. Very glad that people seem to like it over all. now REGISTER, if you haven't already, and be quick about it! :-) It's exactly a week away right about now.... Ciao, Rita |
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12 Oct 02 - 08:59 AM (#801691) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Rita, I woke up thinking about this! 3 workshops all scheduled at the same time include: 1) Who's Here This Year - basically an open sing (or "Meet, Greet and Tweet") 2) Open Sing and Jam 3) Jams and Accompaniment I'm whining about the one I want to go to, but the latter two are a real conflict. (Maybe not. Maybe all the folks who already feel comfortable jamming and accompanying won't want to go to #3) I don't know that there's any non-jamming thing you could swap into the White House for that time period. I may conspire with Nancy if I won't get into too much trouble. Joe will be there and <suckup>you and Joe know EVERYBODY!</suckup> (Well, you do.) I guess we'll see how it goes and how redundant I'll be. What Rita said about registering - JUST DO IT! There's time enough for everything else but the Getaway is only this one weekend - even though we'll be talking about it for the rest of the year. |
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12 Oct 02 - 09:27 AM (#801696) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Morticia I wish I were twins....or even triplets...I want to do and see Everything!!! |
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12 Oct 02 - 11:10 AM (#801735) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D Rita (reading over my shoulder) says she is already looking at how to Rita says she will pop on later and try to convey her progress on this and other matters..*grin* |
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12 Oct 02 - 11:52 AM (#801751) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Well, Jeri, I agree and sympathize with you. Actually Nancy King doesn't much like having to lead a workshop opposite her son Dan Schatz either, especially since she has a song she wants to do in his workshop. So we're possibly due for a bit of reshuffling. As to my own preferences -- I can hardly stand it every year, I set up all this luscious stuff and then miss so much of it, either because of schedule conflicts or because I just wear out.... Anyway I'm going to be comparing advantages and disadvantages of shuffling the schedule, versus changing the format of the Meet'n'Greet a little. Here's the picture in my mind: First, shorten "Who's Here" to an official hour and a half but leave half an hour of free time afterwards so it can continue if it's going strong. Second, with so many people scheduled to facilitate it, we can be very flexible and let our leaders catch some other music during the morning. How about if we all show up for the first half hour, sort of "Guest Appearances" by the leaders, then you and Nancy can each go to the one session you most want to see? Joe and I will play it by ear.... I can't possibly move the Open Jam from its position because I asked David and Lucy to do it at that time Specifically to give folks a chance to sing in a less structured situation than the meet'n'greet. However I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to move Jams & Accompaniments if I can find a space. Might have to shorten it to an hour. And we may have another sing-around we could switch with Dan Schatz' "Farmers, Field Hands & Fishermen." Mind you -- I won't want to miss any of the alternative sessions either! Sigh.... What'ever's opposite the Meet'n'Greet needs to be of general interest. We can have three or four "specialty" sessions in the same time slot and be pretty sure there won't be too many conflicts, but Meet'n'Greet is general and there are just two categories at that time period: People who would like to be at the Meet'n'Greet, and people who would rather go sing or play something. Have to give 'em all a place to go. I hope all you Mudcatters are taking notes. This year Jeri, Nancy and Lorraine helped with the program. The above paragraph gives you a little view of the kind of work we do to keep the program balanced and interesting all day long. Next year we'll again need help on the program -- one person can't keep it to this level for years on end, I promise you. We could sure use some public spirited folks to provide input and maybe make a few phone calls next year or do some of the e-mailing.... End of commercial. I'm going to take the rest of the day off to tune my zither and harp and get my glad rags together, because this afternoon and evening Bill and I are going to help celebrate the wedding of CarolC and Jack the Sailor. *BG* Is this not a fine thing to be looking forward to? So no Getaway schedule changes will take place before tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.... But in the meantime I'll be scheming and planning and figuring about possible reshufflings. |
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12 Oct 02 - 11:58 AM (#801755) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Rita - one more request: Please give 'em a hug from me! |
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13 Oct 02 - 12:02 AM (#802065) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum I need to give Ramblewood reasonable accurate figures as to how many are coming, so there will enough food for everyone. If you haven't registered yet-- you need to let us know NOW! Check the registration form at http://fsgw.org/getreg.pdf and fill out a copy for yourself. Then e-mail the registrar immediately with ALL of the information requested on the form. Once you commit, we'll expect payment, so consider it a financial obligation. I hope to have a reasonably accurate count by Sunday night, Oct. 13. After that, you might need to come as a daytripper (i.e., we can't guarantee enough food, so you'll have to bring your own or go down to Havre de Grace to dine.) --Charlie Baum, Getaway Chair |
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13 Oct 02 - 09:39 AM (#802190) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: SINSULL Charlie - I will be there. Kendall is going in my car with Morticia. I have emailed the info. Sorry for the delay. SINS |
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13 Oct 02 - 09:56 AM (#802195) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Allan C. Despite rumors to the contrary I will be coming to the Getaway. All indications are that this will be the best one yet! I have been looking forward all year to this and to the opportunity to see so many of you again. David C. will also be attending. If any attendees have a bent toward bluegrass, please get in touch with him. He'd love to jam with you. Seeya, Allan |
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13 Oct 02 - 09:55 PM (#802559) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario YEAH! |
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14 Oct 02 - 09:34 AM (#802750) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Noreen Have a wonderful time, all, and be really nice to Morticia- she's such a shy, retiring flower that you won't notice her unless you look out for her specially... and I hope she will deliver some hugs from me. Next year, it'll be me sick with excitement over meeting you all! :0) |
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14 Oct 02 - 11:01 AM (#802815) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D "Morticia- she's such a shy, retiring flower" um-hum, yeah....sure.....(3 years ago, Jeri & Big Mick were new, shy, retiring flowers at the Getaway...NOW look!..*grin*) |
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14 Oct 02 - 01:04 PM (#802883) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara "Final" revised Getaway program schedule will be on line some time tomorrow afternoon/evening. After I hear (and possibly take action on) everyone's plaints and complaints about the revision, I will put up the FINAL version (no quotation marks). Rita |
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14 Oct 02 - 01:09 PM (#802886) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall If anyone is mean to Morticia, they will answer to me! Serously, I can't imagine anyone not liking her. She's one of the funniest people I have ever met. |
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14 Oct 02 - 04:19 PM (#803002) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Dani So, here's the thing! I only mentioned Scary Songs and Stories because it was done last year: I'm not even sure of the genesis of THAT! If there's no real interest, just drop it altogether. More time for jamming, and anyone with a good scary song or story can scare the folks around the campfire with Joe Offer!! Dani |
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14 Oct 02 - 09:54 PM (#803202) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GutBucketeer Yahoo! I'm a comin'! Looks like some of my conflicts have gone away so I'll be a day-tripper on Saturday. I can eat and everything (last minute email to Knitpick, whew). So I'll see everyone early Saturday morning. Should I wake y'all up with a rousing rendition of "Rise Up Early In the Morning Shake the Devil Out Your Soul"?. I'm sure everyone at the Mudcat Cabin will have gone to sleep early on Friday night in order to be well rested for the fantastic schedule that Rita has lined up. Look forward to seeing you in 5 days. JAB |
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15 Oct 02 - 12:10 AM (#803267) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Nancy King Great news, Jim! See you there! |
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15 Oct 02 - 09:04 AM (#803469) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: karen k Rita, It is probably too late for this suggestion but perhaps the Meet and Greet could be held on Fri. night say from 9-11pm or 10pm-midnight. Then Sat. would be free for the other workshops. I'm thinking that enough folk make it on Fri. night. Just a thought. We have such a great song swap on Fri. after dinner anyway. Just a few more days. I can't wait. k |
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15 Oct 02 - 09:46 AM (#803500) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: kendall Being a New Englander, I don't get excited easily, but, I think it is happening. |
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15 Oct 02 - 10:23 AM (#803539) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: PeteBoom Best wishes to the bunch of ya goin' to the Getaway. Can't be there this year, but maybe next. Cheers- Pete |
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15 Oct 02 - 03:11 PM (#803772) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Dani, It seems to me that when we were doing the original line-up of possible workshops someone asked me to include Scary Stories. Would you like a break this year? Can drop it for now if you like. And do you remember -- Nancy asked me where it will be held -- was it in the Theater Barn last year? (Maybe it was Lorraine who said she thought it was a perfect venue. Can't remember.) Anyway I'll be putting in about 10 revisions later today, so if you'd like to skip it this year just e-mail or PM me, or post it here. Taking things out is easy. Putting anything else in right now would be darned near impossible.... And it would free you up for the late night stuff. Karen, It's "traditional" to have a late-night Friday sing and I wouldn't dare mess with that. Some folks really like the Meet'n'Greet and I think it's especially nice to let new attendees introduce themselves. We're cutting it back to 1 1/2 hours, with a free half hour after it so it can go on if that seems appropriate. Maybe this workshop has outlived its usefulness. If nobody comes to it this year, I guess that will tell us something.... :-) One of the paradoxes of the Getaway is that by leading a workshop you restrict your choices. And there's always so much tempting stuff going on! -- But then, if nobody lets themselves be tied down to lead a workshop, there won't be all that tempting stuff going on, will there? Sigh.... Okay, got to go, I have to get to work revising that program grid :-) Rita |
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15 Oct 02 - 04:51 PM (#803831) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Dani Rita, I'm at work, so can't PM, but: We were in the (unlit) barn with the bats and scary shadows. If you've heard a big interest, I'd be happy to do it, otherwise I'll yield happily to the jamming and free time. Your call! Dani |
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15 Oct 02 - 04:57 PM (#803835) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Dani, Let's make it jamming and free time, then. There's SO much going on this year that I'm thinking we could all use some time just to hang out. Rita |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:18 AM (#804363) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario AAARRRGGGHHHH! *whimper* This is NOT a complaint! (Believe me - been there, done that, scheduling is a job I will probably never voluntarily take on again in this lifetime - possibly for several lifetimes - repeat this is not a complaint. just general pissing and moaning...) I've gone from not having any conflicts to conflict at almost every point!!!!! Okay - I'll admit it - some of them are because I saw stuff I didn't see the first time I went through the schedule. WOW! What an incredible amount of stuff being offered this year. Choices are going to be difficult. |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:30 AM (#804371) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Micca MMario, I should have your problem......... |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:37 AM (#804375) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario nyah-nyah-na-nyah-nyah! |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:39 AM (#804378) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,too scared to go this year BE VERY CAREFUL on your way to the Getaway, in the area of the Getaway, at the Getaway and on your way back from the Getaway. There is a serial sniper, killing people at random, at work in the area. I'm staying away this year. |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:41 AM (#804380) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario I drove in Boston this week - that's MUCH more risky then going to the DC area! |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:59 AM (#804404) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D The Getaway is nowhere near the area the damn sniper has been!....nobody has been injured just driving down the road!...You are in MUCH more danger from bad drivers than from a maniac with 4 million people to choose from. Why in HELL would someone post a scare message trying to keep people from the Getaway???.. We can't stop doing everything in life, and the Getaway is as safe as any place in the state right now. By the way...there are some updates/changes to the schedule...check the thread |
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16 Oct 02 - 10:59 AM (#804405) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: CarolC Re: the silent auction... Rob (JtS) and I will be donating a case of Sleeman Silver Creek Lager (brought by Rob's father, Skipper Bob, all the way from beautiful Guelph, Ontario). It's brewed in the proud tradition started in 1834, small batch, craft brewed to the finest of standards. Canadian beer at it's best. We'll be on the lookout for other stuff to donate as I pack up this Shepherdstown apartment for the move to Georgia. Because of an overtaxed brain the last few weeks, I'm not certain of which days and meals we registered for. I'm pretty sure we're registered for Friday night and Saturday night. I don't think we're registered for the dinner on Friday evening, but I'm not sure. Who would be the best contact person to find out for sure what we've registered for? Thanks! |
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16 Oct 02 - 11:04 AM (#804409) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario Carol - Friday dinner is a pot luck/bring a dish to pass type affair. |
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16 Oct 02 - 11:56 AM (#804501) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara CarolC, You don't have to be registered for Friday's dinner, it's a potluck. Helpful if you pick up a bucket of chicken or something on the road, though.... MMario, post the things that are conflicts for you, either her or on the other thread: Schedule changes thread. Or, any of you can PM or e-mail me about conflicts and frustrations with the schedule. Nancy King is coming over again this evening so we can incorporate everybody's pleas, gripes and complaints into the schedule if possible. IT CAN BE DONE! (mostly....) so speak up. If you have a conflict, chances are other folks will, too. too-scared-to-go, you're an idiot. Since when has Aberdeen, MD, been in the Washington area? There aren't any strip malls within half an hour's drive of Camp Ramblewood. That's part of its charm! ... And no sniping incidents within a 2 hour drive of it, if we don't count your post on this thread.... So holler about your scheduling conflicts, folks, that's why Nancy is donating another evening to it, because we want to make it the best most satisfying weekend we can manage, for all of us. Rita |
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16 Oct 02 - 12:02 PM (#804511) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario Nothing important enough for schedule changes - just my polyglot interests making me wish I were twins! |
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16 Oct 02 - 12:35 PM (#804540) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Roger in Baltimore I don't think anyone should avoid coming because of the serial sniper, but for those coming from the South, I would make these few suggestions. Gas up well before you get to Fredericksburg, VA (two sniper incidents, the last guy did not heed his friends who gave him this same warning) Don't stop for gas again until you have passed all of 495. Don't make any public stops (i.e. restaurants, shopping malls) until you have left I 495. You can stop and pick up friends at their houses in relative safety. These are not major inconveniences. As Bill D. said, you're odds at being the next victim are slim. As he also said, no one's been shot while driving their car. Reverse the rules for your return trip. Gas up before you reach 495. Don't stop again until your well past Fredericksburg. The sniper has taken weekends (Sat. and Sun.) off so far. He's attacking every other day, so Mon (already happened), Wed. and Fri. are the crucial days. Roger in Baltimore |
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16 Oct 02 - 01:08 PM (#804559) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Roger, Sound advice, I wish us locals could follow it! -- This all started in our "home area" of Rockville-Wheaton-Kensington. Not going to say any more here, I expressed some of my feelings and ideas on the relevant thread.... |
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16 Oct 02 - 01:20 PM (#804574) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara CarolC, your Silent Auction gift is generous, fantastic, wonderful -- and is going to make us a mint for the scholarship fund I have no doubt.... What a neat gift. Speaking of neat gifts, Jed Marum is sending another one. Should be here tomorrow. His new CD isn't out yet, so he's sending us 10 pre-release copies with special liner notes that say "2002 FSGW Getaway Release." He has signed the liner notes and Rick and Mick (!), who are also on the CD, will sign them this weekend. Is this not fun? Unique stuff, to be sold to the 10 highest bidders.... And we'll have some copies of Jed's first CD, at $10 apiece, and also 5 copies of the first program in Jed's new radio series. It's called "INTO THE WEST: The Celts in Texas" and is a live recording of a show he did in Dallas. |
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16 Oct 02 - 01:28 PM (#804596) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: annamill It sounds like this may be the best Getaway so far. I cannot wait. Love, Annamill |
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16 Oct 02 - 04:42 PM (#804776) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Oh, Anna, thank you for your kind words! I'm afraid I introduced new conflicts when I "fixed" the old ones, but we'll make minimal changes at this point unless specifically asked to. Actually, I keep hoping someone will say, "Ugh! This schedule tastes like Moose Turd Pie!" Cheers, Rita |
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16 Oct 02 - 04:48 PM (#804784) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Here's a helpful hint for people who can't get the on line schedule to print (only the left side prints....): If you have a fairly recent version of MS-WORD [yes, I know, it's a swear word, like BS, but tough....] I repeat, if you have MS-WORD, you can do the following: 1. On the web page with the Saturday schedule, click on "File...Save As" and save the Saturday page on your computer. Note which directory you're putting it in! -- And note the name of the saved file. 2. Do the same for the Sunday schedule. 3. Open WORD, then open either one of the web pages you just saved. 4. Click on "File.... Save As". This time, down below the file name where it says save as Web Page, click on the drop-down menu and change the type to Word Document. 5. Now WORD will print the file correctly. Have already walked a friend through this process so we know it works. Rita |
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16 Oct 02 - 04:57 PM (#804791) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,Nancy King at work Rita -- Good, though!! |
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17 Oct 02 - 05:13 PM (#805615) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Col K Hope you all have a brill time at the Getaway this year, hopefully there will be a crowd of us from this side of the pond with you all next year. |
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17 Oct 02 - 05:37 PM (#805635) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Tinker Friday: Mostly Sunny : High: 57 Low: 43 Saturday: Showers : High 61 Low: 49 Sunday: Cloudy High: 59 Low: 42 Monday: Partly Cloudy: High: 57 Low: 39 Don't forget coats and extra blankets folks the nights may be nippy !! And the all important coffee mug..... (Notes from a mom organizing the home front for the weekend ...) Kathy |
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17 Oct 02 - 06:18 PM (#805655) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum Here's a link for the weather forecast for Camp Ramblewood. Chilly (We had hot humid summer until last week.). Bring warm stuff. A reminder that if you have oil-filled electric heaters, you can bring them. If you've got extras, we can use them to heat some of the gathering places as well. --Charlie Baum |
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17 Oct 02 - 06:33 PM (#805665) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Hope it's not too warm in my cabin. My sleeping bag acts like the foil around a baked potato if it's close to a reasonable temperature! |
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17 Oct 02 - 07:32 PM (#805688) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D I will have several space heaters....NOT oil filled...(the note above didn't say NOT to bring regular element/ceramic heaters...these have safety buttons, so they shut off if knocked over..I hope they are not a problem) |
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17 Oct 02 - 08:36 PM (#805713) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara Last year we had a microwave in the dining hall. If you have any of those corn or rice filled bags that can be microwaved to heat them up, bring 'em. They stay hot for about 2-4 hours if you keep them insulated (under the covers next to your feet for example....) |
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17 Oct 02 - 08:39 PM (#805714) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara The story of Jed's CD's is turning into a bit of a cliffhanger.... They haven't arrived yet in spite of UPS' promises. I really expect they'll be here tomorrow morning. But we HAVE to leave by 2 because we're picking folks up at the airport on the way to Ramblewood. If they don't get here we may auction 'em off in absentia. To be continued.... |
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18 Oct 02 - 09:43 AM (#806057) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Ferrara OK, the CDs will be here before we leave. A lady called this morning who lives about a mile from here, on a street whose name is vaguely similar to ours. Bless her, she figured that if they were sent by 2 day delivery we wouldn't want to wait while she sent them back to UPS and they re-delivered them.... |
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19 Oct 02 - 09:47 AM (#806634) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: wysiwyg If anyone is wondering where Mmario is, he's stranded in PA with car trouble at the moment, and may head back our way or may yet arrive at the Getaway. ~Susan |
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19 Oct 02 - 10:29 AM (#806644) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Max Where in PA is he stranded? |
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19 Oct 02 - 10:33 AM (#806645) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: wysiwyg He's in Selinsgrove, and we are headed that way to pick up our son later on in Harrisburg-- so we are taking him a car to drive himself back here unless we hear otherwise. Please see PM and call me. ~Susan |
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19 Oct 02 - 11:21 AM (#806668) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: wysiwyg ... and we are leaving here at noon. ~Susan |
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19 Oct 02 - 01:35 PM (#806727) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Noreen Well, what's happening then?????????! |
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19 Oct 02 - 06:33 PM (#806907) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario I'm at Wysiwyg's: bummed - but safe and sound. |
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19 Oct 02 - 07:35 PM (#806938) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: MMario tried to get through to the cell phones at the getaway - but couldn't. |
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25 Oct 02 - 09:14 AM (#810990) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: GUEST,too scared to go this year too-scared-to-go, you're an idiot. Since when has Aberdeen, MD, been in the Washington area? There aren't any strip malls within half an hour's drive of Camp Ramblewood. That's part of its charm! ... And no sniping incidents within a 2 hour drive of it, if we don't count your post on this thread.... -Ferrara, 16 Oct 02 I'm very happy that nothing happened to any of the Getaway goers. But Ferrara, your vindictive characterization of me as "idiot" says more about you than about me. Especially since the alleged snipers were caught much closer to Aberdeen than to Washington. |
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25 Oct 02 - 09:21 AM (#810997) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: annamill What a very bad way to end such a wonderful happening. |
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25 Oct 02 - 10:03 AM (#811028) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Charlie Baum Just a geographical correction--Darlington is a little North and quite a bit East of Washington, DC. The rest area where the snipers were apprehended, west of Frederick, is a little north and quite far West of Washington DC, and much closer to DC than to Darlington. -Charlie Baum, maplover and resident of Montgomery County, Md., in the heart of it all. |
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25 Oct 02 - 12:42 PM (#811175) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D so...6 million people were supposed to sit at home for 3 weeks? If you were scared to go out, fine...sit...but panicky postings do NOTHING to help! Fear can be a useful thing when you know exactly what to avoid, but that kind of fear is counter-productive and debilitating. If "too scared" has ever been to the Getaway before, they would know my wife, Ferrara, is never 'vindictive' about anything. She was VERY uneasy about that sniper,especially since 6 of the incidents were withing 5 minutes of our house! but she had enought common sense to know that trip up to Darlington was 99.999% safe and that bad drivers were a FAR greater threat! Grow up...and if you want to debate it in person , I'll bet you can find me. color me royally pissed off! |
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25 Oct 02 - 01:14 PM (#811195) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Jeri Bill, it's not about the supposed subject, it's a troll. Trolls find something that will honk people off. Ridiculous things work better. Things that make I'd bet the troll has never been to a Getaway, may know the location or be able to find it if he had a map of the US, but the facts don't make for a good troll - deliberate misinformation does. He's poking you for no other reason than to see you jump. It's someone who enjoys being cruel. That's ALL it is. |
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25 Oct 02 - 02:36 PM (#811269) Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2002 From: Bill D ok...maybe so...you can never tell. I'll shut up. |
