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Help: Scotland The Brave

26 Sep 02 - 05:48 PM (#792035)
Subject: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,liz@lgl.gb.com

Does anybody know if the lyrics to Scotland the Brave are traditional?

I understood they were but I keep being told they are not - if anybody knows I'd be grateful

Thanks

Liz

26 Sep 02 - 06:15 PM (#792043)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: lady penelope

Define traditional. The words were added to the melody quite some time after the melody was written, but as far as I know they are the words "traditionally" sung to that melody..........

There you are......clear as mud.

Any one else?

TTFN M'Lady P.

26 Sep 02 - 07:20 PM (#792061)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Sorcha

You got it in one, Lady P.

26 Sep 02 - 07:29 PM (#792066)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,liz

thank you - I was trying to find out whether the lyrics were published or just traditional - I think they may have been written in 1951?

Liz

26 Sep 02 - 08:07 PM (#792085)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Susanne (skw)

On my Kenneth McKellar sampler the lyrics are credited to Cliff Hanley. I found this on the web and believe it refers to the well-known lyrics that McKellar sings:

"The music is traditional and old. There have been many lyrics and adaptations to this wonderful melody. Cliff Hanley was a leading Scottish writer and broadcaster. At Christmas 1951, he wrote his own lyrics to this magnificent melody at the request of Robert Wilson, who at the time was performing in a musical show at the Glasgow Empire Theatre. Cliff wrote the new lyrics and the piece was used to close the first half of the show." (http://www.silk.net/mcdermott/albums/dream/18.htm)

26 Sep 02 - 08:38 PM (#792100)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Malcolm Douglas

This has been discussed many times here before; there are several sets of words, most fairly modern. At present, the best search engine here isn't working properly, which presumably is why we've had a rash of questions in the last few days that normally people wouldn't need to ask. I think I've answered this question at least once already, so for now I'll just give a link to an iteration of the search engine that should work:

Search Engine

27 Sep 02 - 02:55 AM (#792203)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Kaleea

There happens to be an annual Scottish Festival this coming weekend in MacPherson, Kansas. Perhaps there are other Scottish fests & Highland Games occuring about this time of year.

27 Sep 02 - 05:37 AM (#792260)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,Boab

Dare I admit that here is a song I have no love for? To my ear it sounds pompous and self-praising. The tune is well suited to being played as a march---Cliff Hanley's lyrics put me off. A comedic song written by a comedian, liked by many, but not my cup of tea. Boab

27 Sep 02 - 07:39 AM (#792297)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,Scabby Doug

Boab.... What do you have aginst Cliff Hanley? I don't like the song lyrics much either.. but Cliff Hanley was a reasonably good writer and journalist (in my opinion). Apart from the lyrics of Scotland the Brave, what makes you say he was a "comedian"?

Cheers

Steven

27 Sep 02 - 03:58 PM (#792580)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Kenny B (inactive)

To Bob & Steve
Perhaps this will illuminate the discussion
Cliff Hanley Obit Kenny B

27 Sep 02 - 05:16 PM (#792618)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Susanne (skw)

Maybe my sense of humour is not well developes, but I'd call the song I know under this title (the one starting "Hark when the night is falling, hear hear the pipes are calling") anything but comical. "Pompous and self-praising" is definitely nearer the mark, particularly in that Kenneth McKellar arrangement, with fifes and drums and the whole works! Still, I quite like it.

28 Sep 02 - 12:13 AM (#792799)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca

Then you probably really hate Song for the Mira, Suzanne.

28 Sep 02 - 01:03 AM (#792816)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,Handel

It's certainly not "This Land is Your Land"

28 Sep 02 - 01:32 AM (#792823)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,denise:^)

Well, *I* like 'Scotland the Brave' AND 'Song for the Mira!' (Some friends of mine recorded 'Song for the Mira;" I've liked it from the first time I heard it.)

I'll admit, though--I don't think I've really heard all of the lyrics to 'Scotland;' we generally play it instead of sing it.

28 Sep 02 - 01:37 AM (#792824)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,Boab

Scabby Doug---I most certainly do not have "something against Cliff Hanley" ---other than the fact of his writing the lyrics of 'Scotland the Brave". It ranks with "Ye Mariners of England" [ which I think was written by a SCOT!], "Hearts of Oak", "the British Grenadeirs"[which vies in the literary merit stakes with "there's Not a Team like the Glasgow Rangers" ---and I'm not a Celtic fan!] All of them have one thing in common---they are all shouting "We are the Greatest". As I say, many like it, but not my idea of a good song.

28 Sep 02 - 05:30 PM (#793149)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Susanne (skw)

George, unfortunately I've never heard Song of the Mira, so I can't tell. But like Denise I can take a lot of different songs. I even like fox-hunting songs even though I hate fox-hunting, or traditional songs about women, even though they tend to present a rather old-fashioned picture of a woman's life and dities ... :-)
Kenny, thanks for the Cliff Hanley link!

26 Oct 02 - 10:31 PM (#812161)
Subject: Lyr Add: SCOTLAND THE BRAVE
From: GUEST,ginadonoghue@aol.com

SCOTLAND THE BRAVE

Hark when the night is falling
Hear! hear the pipes are calling,
Loudly and proudly calling,
Down thro' the glen.
There where the hills are sleeping,
Now feel the blood a-leaping,
High as the spirits of the old Highland men.

Chorus:
Towering in gallant fame,
Scotland my mountain hame!
High may your proud standards gloriously wave!
Land of my high endeavour,
Land of the shining river,
Land of my heart for ever!
Scotland the brave!
2. High in the misty Highlands,
Out by the purple islands,
Brave are the hearts that beat
Beneath Scottish skies.
Wild are the winds to meet you,
Staunch are the friends that greet you,
Kind as the love that shines from fair maiden's eyes.
Chorus:

3. Far off in sunlit places,
Sad are the Scottish faces,
Yearning to feel the Kiss
Of sweet Scottish rain.
Where tropic skies are beaming,
Love sets the heart a-dreaming,
Longing and dreaming for the homeland again.
Chorus:

4. Hot as a burning ember,
Flaming in bleak December
Burning within the hearts
Of clansmen afar!
Calling to home and fire,
Calling the sweet desire,
Shining a light that beckons from every star!
Chorus:

26 Oct 02 - 10:55 PM (#812185)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Malcolm Douglas

Cliff Hanley's modern lyric has been posted here a good few times, though usually without that final verse; see, however:

Lyr/Chords Add: Scotland the Brave

Of course, it's kind of you to post it again, though it wasn't really worth the effort you must have put into it.

27 Oct 02 - 02:41 AM (#812260)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Scabby Douglas

Hmmm... Boab, I missed your reply to my question first time round...

So what you have against Cliff Hanley apart from his writing of the "Scotland the Brave" appears to be the lyrics of Scotland the Brave?..


So apart from the lyrics , oh, and the song - Scotland the Brave - is there anything else about Cliff Hanley you don't like?


Cheers


Steven

27 Oct 02 - 04:00 AM (#812269)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Banjer

The lyrics are no more "pompous and self-praising" than those found in our American National Anthem. What is wrong in taking pride in your homeland? What about our version of God Save The Queen, America? It also describes all the various regions from 'sea to shining sea'. I enjoy STB whenever I hear it played, especailly on the pipes and even have a fair clawhammer rendition on my banjo!

15 Oct 06 - 10:14 PM (#1859900)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,Urbane Guerrilla

Banjer, the American edition of God Save The Queen is "My Country, 'Tis Of Thee." Sort of an early-American filk, if you want to stretch the definition of "filk:" take a thoroughly popular tune and rework the verses; in this case very thoroughly American as contrasted from British lyrics, practically defining early American national sentiment. Banjer's description of "America the Beautiful" is thorough and accurate.

I know this is a mighty elderly thread, but I thought it adviseable to insert this into the record.

15 Oct 06 - 10:42 PM (#1859925)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Seamus Kennedy

I heard that the melody to Scotland the Brave was a march called The Irishman's Toast. Could be wrong.

Seamus

16 Oct 06 - 03:23 AM (#1860022)
Subject: ADD: Bagpipe Song (Scotland the Brave parody)
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

Lots of parodies floating around the place but I like this best.


BAGPIPE SONG
Tune: Scotland The Brave

* Substitute your Rugby Team for Edinburgh City*

Here's to the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Then there was the jockey with his upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Then there was the Yankee who was wanking in his hanky
At the thought of the jockey with the upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Then there was the queerie who was leering through his beery
At the sight of the Yankee who was wanking in his hanky
At the thought of the jockey with the upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Then there was the harlot making money in the car lot
To support the a' queerie who was leering through his beery
At the sight of the Yankee who was wanking in his hanky
At the thought of the jockey with the upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Then there was the masher who was posing as a flasher
Hustling customers from the harlot making money in the car lot
To support the a' queerie who was leering through his beery
At the sight of the Yankee who was wanking in his hanky
At the thought of the jockey with the upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Then there was the Wenchy doing down-down on a benchy
Making money for the masher who was posing as a flasher
Hustling customers from the harlot making money in the car lot
To support the a' queerie who was leering through his beery
At the sight of the Yankee who was wanking in his hanky
At the thought of the jockey with the upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.
(BAGPIPE SOUND)

Now the moral of this ditty is that when in Edinburough City
And you're with your favorite girlie chasing hairs all short and curly
To keep her away from the Wenchy doing down-down on a benchy
Making money for the masher who was posing as a flasher
Hustling customers from the harlot making money in the car lot
To support the a' queerie who was leering through his beery
At the sight of the Yankee who was wanking in his hanky
At the thought of the jockey with the upstanding cocky
Who was riding on the lassie with the black hairy assey
Who was lifting up her kilty in Edinburgh City.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

16 Oct 06 - 03:49 AM (#1860026)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: Micca

I always liked the line that Ronnie Barker put in, in "Porridge", to wind up McKay the Prison officer.
" come where the toes are tapping
come whhere the Jocks are strapping...."

16 Oct 06 - 09:09 AM (#1860229)
Subject: RE: Help: Scotland The Brave
From: GUEST,Jack Campin

Gargoyle, where did you get your spoof from?