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02 Oct 02 - 11:25 AM (#795495) Subject: Song of the Dawn From: weerover I have a recording of an Irish song "Song of the Dawn" by Art Kearney in which the last line in each verse and chorus is in Irish. The line begins "Sean Erin...", which is easy enough. Can anyone supply the rest of the line and a translation? (presumably "Old Ireland..."?) |
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02 Oct 02 - 05:56 PM (#795806) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Jimmy C weerover, I believe the words are " Sean Erin an gael go doe" (pronounced Go Jo) I am sure I have the spelling not exactly correct. I imagine it means "Old Ieland for the Gael forever" or " Old Ireland will be gaelic forever". Hope this helps. |
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03 Oct 02 - 08:01 AM (#796077) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: GUEST Many thanks, Jimmy C weerover |
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03 Oct 02 - 08:49 AM (#796096) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Brían Possibly Sean Éireann an Gael go deo(Shawn AY-run un gale guh JO), probably "The old gaelic Ireland forever", if I may be redundant! Brían |
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03 Oct 02 - 10:01 AM (#796145) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: weerover This looks good, more thanks weerover |
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03 Oct 02 - 10:16 AM (#796157) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Brían gahhh! There's no fada over the "a" in sean. That should be pronounced shan. Brían |
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03 Oct 02 - 10:42 AM (#796165) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: weerover Thanks, Brian - "sean" (with whatever the accents are) is one of the few Irish words that I do recognise. "Song of the Dawn" also includes reference to "Roisin Dubh", which is another of the few expressions I'm familiar with. While I was in Galway recently I found that the locals, when referring to one of the music venue pubs called Roisin Dubh, pronounced it to rhyme with "love". I never got round to asking whether this was some sort of ironic thing - does this happen anywhere else? |
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03 Oct 02 - 01:25 PM (#796247) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Brían I have heard it pronounced both Doo and Duv. It may be a regional thing. I'll ask about it. Brían |
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03 Oct 02 - 06:15 PM (#796409) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Jimmy C I Ulster it is Roisin Dubh pronounceed Rosheen Doo, it soome other parts of the country, especially around Dublin thay pronounce it Rosheen Dove. |
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04 Oct 02 - 07:27 AM (#796714) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: weerover As a newcomer to this forum, I'm immensely impressed by how comprehensively queries are answered - often minor things, but which might otherwise bug me for years. Thanks, guys. |
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07 Oct 02 - 03:47 AM (#798129) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: weerover When I come to check this song out, I find I still don't quite have it all: there's a place name I can't quite get. The line is "From (...) to the winding Lee..." and it sounds like it might be "Tobhair na Righ" (well of the king???). Anybody got this? |
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07 Oct 02 - 10:30 AM (#798290) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Joe Offer I don't think we have these lyrics. Weerover, can you post what you have? Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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07 Oct 02 - 10:50 AM (#798298) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: weerover Will post when I get the chance to transcribe |
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07 Oct 02 - 11:09 AM (#798314) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Brían My Irish language teacher says that dubh is pronounced like dove with an Irish accent in Galway. Yeah, I second that request. Brían |
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07 Oct 02 - 02:40 PM (#798407) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: GUEST Only recently renewed interest in this song when I found that the Mudcat forum could solve many queries. I now find there's yet another word in the 3rd verse that I don't have, but here's the lyrics I can make out. Not a proficient musician, but I think I could manage an ABC version of the tune if anyone's interested. Thing is, I don't know how to insert it in a message of this type...don't know how to do line breaks either - take upper case letter as beginning a line. (According to album sleeve notes, written by Brian O'Higgins who was involved in some sort of skirmish in 1916) The song I sing is a song of home, a song of roisin dubh Of glade and glen, of ford and fen, of lake and of mountain blue Of the signs that stand over all the land to tell of the long ago Let your voices ring in the song I sing, Sean Eireann an Gael go deo (Chorus) Hurrah, the night is ended, we see the dawn's red glow Oh, shout it high, 'tis a free men's cry, Sean Eireann an Gael go deo I sing of every wood and stream, of tower and vale and town Where brave men died, where brave men tried to tear the red rag down From Kerry brave to the widest wave where Lagan's waters flow From [Tobair na Righ?] to the winding Lee, Sean Eireann an Gael go deo I'll raise a [ran? rand?] for the ones who tread the path to the dawning day Who will pause no more till their native shore is free from the Saxon sway Till from every hill and from every rill the freedom cry shall go From old and young in the Gaelic tongue, Sean Eireann an Gael go deo I did have a though that the missing word in the last verse might be "wren" as pronounced in some areas, in some way connected with the traditional hunting of same. Any takers? wee rover |
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07 Oct 02 - 03:12 PM (#798424) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Big Mick weerover, I have been doing some digging with search engines on this to try and help you out. Could you post the pertinent data off the recording. Author, Artist, name of album/cd, label, copyright date, etc. Thanks, Mick |
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07 Oct 02 - 04:01 PM (#798450) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: GUEST,weerover Big Mick, I have it on a Topic sampler album. The original album number was 12T153 (Topic 1966) by Art Kearney (no title available) and the sampler album TPS 168, "From Erin's Green Shore". I collect songs of all descriptions and occasionally get to sing a few, but am particularly interested in Irish songs, of which my current collection runs to 2480 titles (with sheet music to about70%) but every new one I can add is welcome. weerover (actually 6 foot and a grandfather but it's an old nickname) |
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08 Oct 02 - 01:48 AM (#798696) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: Anglo Verse 3 - our Gaelic dictionary, Lisa tells me, has "rann" as "a verse or quatrain." So that must be it. |
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08 Oct 02 - 04:31 AM (#798742) Subject: RE: Song of the Dawn From: weerover Anglo, this looks right - many thanks weerover |