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05 Oct 02 - 11:18 AM (#797391) Subject: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Amergin Ok...have been in the process of butchering this lovely gospel song...by writing my own words to it and rearranging others...well I was looking into the authorship of it...and found that many sites say it is trad....while others attribute it to a fellow named Charles Moody...and well I was just wondering if anyone knew the truth of it...which is correct? thanks. |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:38 AM (#797403) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Dale Charles E. (Ernest) Moody of the Georgia Yellow Hammers. |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:44 AM (#797406) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Amergin what is the documentation for it though? |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:47 AM (#797409) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Charles E. Moody, words and music, 1923. First appeared in a Stamps-Baxter Songbook, which is where the Monroe Bros. "probably learned it." He was a member of the Georgia Yellow Hammers. Drifting waltz |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:49 AM (#797412) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Monroe Bros. recorded it for Bluebird in 1936, followed by Roy Acuff in 1939. Same website as above. |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:50 AM (#797413) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Amergin ok thanks! what i was looking for... |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:52 AM (#797414) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Stamps-Baxter Music and the copyright controlled by BMI. |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:53 AM (#797416) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Dale Gollee. My word on it. (Just kidding) Actually the unnamed guest ~~ who seems to post frequently (and accurately) has the right of it. Ernest Moody was definitely responsible for this song, as well as another well know gospel, Kneel At The Cross. He also wrote several lesser known songs, several of which I have, though at the moment that particular hymnal is out on a long term loan. |
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05 Oct 02 - 01:04 PM (#797458) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: wysiwyg Whatcha workin' on 'gin? ~S~ |
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05 Oct 02 - 01:45 PM (#797479) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Amergin just something.... ;) |
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05 Oct 02 - 02:05 PM (#797493) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: wysiwyg Spill it! You know where to find me! ~S~ |
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05 Oct 02 - 02:21 PM (#797501) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Amergin will be posting it soon....btw i really like the origins option in the thread creation thing.... basically i got the song off an album i picked up recently and it just stuck with me.... |
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05 Oct 02 - 11:12 PM (#797588) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: masato sakurai According to Country Music Sources, the earliest recording is:
Drifting Too Far From The Shore (GE 15701-A) - Carolina Gospel Singers (vcl gp w/pno) - 09/27/1929.
The Monroe Brothers was the second; Roy Acuff the third. ~Masato
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05 Oct 02 - 11:55 PM (#797595) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: wysiwyg Looking forward to it, Amergin. ~Susan
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06 Oct 02 - 01:46 PM (#797693) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Amergin it's right here, susan Thanks everyone for that information... |
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06 Oct 02 - 01:53 PM (#797694) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Richie I think "Drifting Too Far From the Shore" is Public Domain now. Richie |
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06 Oct 02 - 01:55 PM (#797695) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: wysiwyg Aw, I like it! ~Susan |
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06 Oct 02 - 02:09 PM (#797706) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST BMI lists Chas. E. Moody, "Drifting Too Far From The Shore," BMI Work #344964; CAE/IPI 48748541. Bridge Building Music Co. They apparently have licenced a number of covers and revisions but still maintain the copyright. BMI Listings and search Repertoire under title. |
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06 Oct 02 - 02:31 PM (#797722) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Richie There is a time limit on the original copyright that expired this year. I can check with Bill Bay (Mel Bay Pub.) again but that's what I've been told- 1923 is a clear date. -Richie |
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06 Oct 02 - 02:40 PM (#797727) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Renewal? You can easily Email BMI from a clickie on each page of listings. |
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06 Oct 02 - 06:48 PM (#797896) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Richie Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the original copyright is over 75 years old, which would be the year 1923 (when I believe "Drifting Too Far from the Shore" was copyrighted)- the music is in the public domain. Copyright renewals have nothing to do with this. A renewal only grants rights until the original copyright expires. Versions of songs before 1923 can be copyrighted- but not the songs itself. -Richie |
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06 Oct 02 - 07:21 PM (#797921) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Sorry, Richie. See USA copyright information at Copyright Laws "The copyright Act of 1976 extended the renewal term from 28 to 47 years for copyrights that were subsisting on January 1, 1978 or for pre-1978 copyrights restored under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA) making these works eligible for a total term of protection of 75 years. PUBLIC LAW 105-98 , enacted October 27, 1998, further extended the renewal term of copyrights still subsisting on that date by an additional 20 years,providing for a renewal term of 67 years and a total term of protection of 95 years." "Public Law 102-307 makes renewal registration optional. Thus filing for renewal registration is no longer required to extend the original 28 year copyright term to the full 95 years." The protection on a song copyrighted in 1923 would therefore extend 95 years until the year 2018. |
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06 Oct 02 - 07:39 PM (#797947) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Richie, for a really nasty can of problems, see the preceding paragraph to what I quoted above. "Works originally created before January 1, 1978 but not Published or Registered by that date. "These works have been automatically brought brought under the Statute and are now given federal copyright protection. [ and so on- the end result-] "life plus 70 or 95/120 year terms will apply to them as well--- for works published on or before December 31, 2002, the term of copyright will not expire before December 31, 2047." [and apparently can extend much longer under the life plus 70 or 95/120 year terms !!] Question! How do you determine the starting date for such protection? Finding the date of creation sounds like a make-work provision for hungry lawyers, as does the whole section. Frankly, I can't understand provisions under this heading. Would someone like to try? |
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06 Oct 02 - 08:45 PM (#798004) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Richie Guest- Maybe you should search google under public domain. Here's one quote: "Music and lyrics written by an American author and published in 1922 or earlier are in the Public Domain in the United States. No one can claim ownership of a song in the public domain, therefore public domain songs may be used by everyone." There are hundreds of others. Richie |
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06 Oct 02 - 09:06 PM (#798015) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST Richie, like much in Google, the statement you quote is wrong, long out-of-date and incorrect. The US Copyright Law is the law of the land, and that is what I quoted; the current regulations as put on the web by the US government and available from them in printed form. I would presume that you would take the word of our beloved, revered and respected law-givers who always act for the best interests of the public and never (no, never!) yield to special interests. |
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06 Oct 02 - 11:17 PM (#798076) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Richie Guest I publish and write books for Mel Bay Publications. The info I posted is fron the President of one of the larger publishers in the country, Bill Bay. The laws you refer to are not for songs before 1923- they are for recently written music and songs. Please find out the correct info before you post anymore so you will not mislead anyone. This is not a thread about copyright law but maybe we should start one so you can get correct info. Thanks, Richie |
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16 Jan 03 - 03:36 PM (#868647) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: Genie Well, if I understand the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act, which SCOTUS just upheld, since this song was written in 1923, it would remain copyright protected for 90 years after Charles E. Moody's death, whenever that was. Genie |
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16 Jan 03 - 06:00 PM (#868748) Subject: RE: Origins: drifting too far from the shore From: GUEST,Q Haven't seen a decent write-up of the SCOTUS action, but your interpretation seems correct, Genie. If he had died in 1923, the song would still be protected until 2013. But if my reading of another provision of the Act is correct (see my post of 06 Oct 02), one would have to wait until 2018! Apparently further extensions may be authorized in the future- lets see now, Stardate 4092- |