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18 Oct 02 - 07:00 AM (#805962) Subject: changing keys From: GUEST,newfiejeff I was playing a few songs with my buddies last night , they played the guitar and I played the mandolin which I own now for about 6 weeks. If they played in D or they played in F I found it hard to change the notes of the song which is in a different key to change. Is there a simple remedy for this. I don't want to use a capo on the mandolin. Jeff |
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18 Oct 02 - 07:41 AM (#805982) Subject: RE: changing keys From: Dave Bryant D should be an easy key on the mandolin - it's the one that fiddlers seem to prefer. As for F - if you don't want to use a capo - you'll have to get used to playing in different keys - most mandolin players pick melody lines rather than using chord shapes anyway - so it's the usual answer - practice. Incidently you could try getting the guitarists to play a tone higher in G if that helps. |
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18 Oct 02 - 08:13 AM (#806001) Subject: RE: changing keys From: GUEST,.gargoyle Change the tuning of your, or their strings.
Sincerely, |
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18 Oct 02 - 08:28 AM (#806015) Subject: RE: changing keys From: mooman Or learn to play in F...it's actually not too difficult on the mandolin. moo |
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18 Oct 02 - 09:03 AM (#806036) Subject: RE: changing keys From: GUEST if you change keys do you just count up i.e G to D do you count up 4 notes and change everything by 4notes? |
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18 Oct 02 - 10:45 AM (#806092) Subject: RE: changing keys From: 53 Capo is the easiest way to change keys. |
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18 Oct 02 - 11:53 AM (#806135) Subject: RE: changing keys From: Jim Krause Yeah, but on a mandolin a capo is IMHO a little rediculous given that the instrument is so small to begin with. I think the course of least resistance is to really master the mandolin and learn to play in any key. And F isn't that hard, I agree. Jim P.S. A handy little book to get is The Mandolin Chord Book by James Major, Amsco Publications. It is readily available in most music stores, I think. |
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18 Oct 02 - 12:31 PM (#806175) Subject: RE: changing keys From: JohnInKansas Guest: Key change from G to D - just move up "one string." The strings are a fifth apart, so what was on the G string fingers the same on the D string. Instant key change. It's a little more complicated going from D to A, altough the same principle applies - except you run out of notes (in first position), so you have to drop back down an octave for some songs in A, which means you have to use different finger patterns. Once you can play a melody with the patterns for two "octaves," you'll have most of what you need to move through the common keys, just by shifting from one string to another. i.e. the key change from G to F is down two strings and then back up an octave to get back on the instrument. Practice playing a melody in whatever is the most comfortable key, usually G or D - then play it an octave higher or lower (whichever direction still fits in range for first position fingering). When you're comfortable "finding the intervals" in either of the two octaves, you'll find it fairly easy to "shift to" a comfortable place for most of the common keys for any tune. And frankly - a banjo capo works fine on a mando. I use one a lot, but then I only play for my own enjoyment, so I can afford to be a little lazy about it. John |
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18 Oct 02 - 12:41 PM (#806178) Subject: RE: changing keys From: Don Firth Learn where the notes are on the fingerboard. Spend some time practicing--dare I say it??--scales. Don Firth |
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18 Oct 02 - 01:13 PM (#806195) Subject: RE: changing keys From: greg stephens practising scales?? This is a folk-music forum I'd gave you know. |
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18 Oct 02 - 01:18 PM (#806201) Subject: RE: changing keys From: Orac Wouldn't it be easier for them to fall in with you. You should be able to play in A,C,D,F OR G easy enough on a madolin. How many keys do they need for pete's sake. !!! |
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18 Oct 02 - 01:38 PM (#806219) Subject: RE: changing keys From: Malcolm Douglas Guitarists tend to stick a capo wherever it will give them a pitch most comfortable for their voices, while still enabling them to play everything in the easy fingering of the instrument's home key. If they did what they expect we fiddle and mandolin players to do -actually learn to play in all those keys- they'd have a better understanding of what's involved, and might decide to develop their vocal ranges a bit, instead. Most don't seem prepared to make the effort, though (grumble). |
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18 Oct 02 - 03:14 PM (#806288) Subject: RE: changing keys From: Leadfingers Dont know which I find more fun-F on the mandolin or on 5string banjo without a capo.Maybe I'm just a smart arse,tho.Actually,F.Bflat and Dm arent so hard on the 'dolin,but I was playing a bit more than a couple of months before the came easy.Its the old story-Practice,lady,Practice. |
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18 Oct 02 - 03:33 PM (#806299) Subject: RE: changing keys From: M.Ted The melody player picks the key, not the jokers playing the chords--you should play the tune in the key you know and it is up to them to follow--If they have solos or whatnot in another key, it is your turn to follow-- |
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18 Oct 02 - 04:11 PM (#806323) Subject: RE: changing keys From: McGrath of Harlow I played the mandolin which I own now for about 6 weeks. That's not long to master an instrument. For tunes I think a guitarist shold always taker the key from the mandolin (or the fiddle, of course). When it comes to singing the natural pitch of the voice should determine the key - and if that means the musicians have a problem joining in, maybe that's as well sometimes. |