18 Oct 02 - 10:22 AM (#806082) Subject: Lyr req- 'I wish there were no prisons' From: GUEST,Kipling Does anyone know the words to a song which i believe is called I wish there were no prisons. I heard it sung from an old red-faced man in Birmingham, UK. It refers to stealing spuds or potatoes from babies in prams and I think the chorus goes: I wish there were no prisons, I do, don't you? I wish there were no prisons, with me hands, with me fists, with me maulers. I think he said it wa swritten by a well known gypsy from Hull. Ayone else know of it? Kipling |
18 Oct 02 - 10:29 AM (#806084) Subject: RE: Lyr req- 'I wish there were no prisons' From: Sorcha Found this: English: 51 of 98 prev. table next I wish there were no prisons I first heard "I wish there were no prisons" on Wally Whyton's Folk Music Broadcast in September 1984 along with Brian O'Lynn as described above. It's a delightful cheery ditty about a kleptomaniac who is quite happily capable of stealing potatoes from twin babies whilst lying within the safety of their pram. "I wish there were no prisons" has been recorded by: [Amazon: ] [CD] Various Artists on "Troubles They Are But Few" from:http://www.grainger.de/music/songs/iwish.html but no lyrics........ |
18 Oct 02 - 11:32 AM (#806119) Subject: RE: Lyr req- 'I wish there were no prisons' From: GUEST,ossonflags It can be found on jim eldons LP called "I wish there were no prisons" He is the well known gypsy from hull you are thinking of,except he isnt. |
18 Oct 02 - 12:26 PM (#806171) Subject: RE: Lyr req- 'I wish there were no prisons' From: Malcolm Douglas Usually called I Wish There Was No Prisons, the song was in the repertoire of the Sussex singer George Spicer, and can be heard on the Topic record Troubles They Are But Few (Topic TSCD 664). Jim Eldon didn't write it, though he may well have changed it a bit. It appears to have turned up in America as The Happy Crook in the 1920s. |
18 Oct 02 - 02:35 PM (#806268) Subject: Lyr Add: I WISH THERE WAS NO PRISONS From: GUEST,Matthew Edwards Hi Chris, This is the text of the song given in the notes to the Topic CD referred to by Malcolm above:- I WISH THERE WAS NO PRISONS (as sung by George Spicer 1973) I wish there was no prisons. I do. Don't you? For the old treadmill makes me feel ill. I only steal my belly to fill With my hands, with my mits, with my maulers. Oakum picking gives me a licking. Still I'm very fond of a little bit of nicking. I only steal my belly to fill With my hands, with my mits, with my mauler. I saw a girl with a perambulator She got twins, and each had a tater In its hands, in its fists, in its mauler. I kissed one kid and collared t'other's tater With my hands, with my mits, with my mauler. I wish there was no prisons. I do. Don't you? For the old treadmill makes me feel ill. I only steal my belly to fill With my hands, with my dukes, with my mauler. As sung by George Spicer; recorded by Mike Yates in the singer's home at West Hoathly, Sussex 26 May 1973. This originally appeared on the Topic LP Blackberry Fold: Songs of George Spicer 12T235. The notes by Mike Yates and Rod Stradling to the songs on The Voice of The People say that this is only a fragment of a longer song, but George Spicer had never been able to learn the rest of it to his regret. It appears to be a parody of an old minstrel song I wish I was in Dixie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RZY0ZRtg9Q |
19 Oct 02 - 04:03 AM (#806528) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons From: GUEST,Kipling Thankyou for that information and I will endeavour to purchase a copy of one of the mentioned recordings. I can well believe that whoever the original writer was- he might not have been a Hull gypsy. The old fella' that I heard sing has been known to give out random- sometimes untrue information- sometimes even claiming certain songs as his own creations when they are not! Oh well, he is a bit of a character- as there are many in the 'folk world'. I really like the song, it's lyrics and the tune a really good one to get even the most stern faced smiling Thanks again Kipling |
21 Mar 10 - 01:30 PM (#2868679) Subject: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: John MacKenzie I have searched in vain for the words to a song I heard years ago. I don't know the actual title, which doesn't help, but even when I put fragments if the lyrics I know in a search engine, I get a nil result. The chorus goes thus. I wish there were no prisons, I do, I do, For the old treadmill makes me feel ill, I only steal my belly to fill. With my hands, with my mitts, with my maulers. |
21 Mar 10 - 01:54 PM (#2868696) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Long Firm Freddie Youtube video of the song being perforned by the incomaprable Jim Eldon here: Prisons Enjoy! LFF |
21 Mar 10 - 02:02 PM (#2868702) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Anglogeezer It has been recorded by JIM ELDON on his CD "Home from the Sea". Available from the Veteran Label Jim can also be seen performing it on U-tube here I Wish There were No Prisons Google here, Google there, a bit of Google everywhere!! Very soon gives you an answer. regards JAke |
21 Mar 10 - 02:04 PM (#2868705) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Valmai Goodyear I think it was collected from the Sussex singer George Spicer. |
21 Mar 10 - 04:14 PM (#2868780) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: John MacKenzie Thanks folks, I love that song. I shall now set about learning to sing it myself. |
21 Mar 10 - 04:15 PM (#2868782) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Jim Carroll I WISH THERE WAS NO PRISONS (as sung by George Spicer 1973) I wish there was no prisons. I do. Don't you? For the old treadmill makes me feel ill. I only steal my belly to fill With my hands, with my mits [hands], with my maulers. [hands] Oakum picking gives me a licking. [Oakum (flax) picking was the work given to prisoners serving hard labour] Still I'm very fond of a little bit of nicking. [stealing] I only steal my belly to fill With my hands, with my mits, with my mauler. I saw a girl with a perambulator She got twins, and each had a tater [potato] In its hands, in its fists, in its mauler. I kissed one kid and collared t'other's tater With my hands, with my mits, with my mauler. I wish there was no prisons. I do. Don't you? For the old treadmill makes me feel ill. I only steal my belly to fill With my hands, with my dukes [fists], with my mauler. Jim Carroll |
22 Mar 10 - 04:39 AM (#2869094) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Howard Jones Just to elaborate on Jim's reply, picking oakum involved unpicking old ropes to produce hemp fibres which were then sold for caulking the hulls of wooden ships. The rope would usually be hemp rather than flax. As the ropes were often coated with tar and had seen hard use, and the picking was done with the bare hands, this was hard work and in prisons counted as hard labour alongside the treadmill and stonebreaking. Residents of poor houses were also expected to work, and this too might involve picking oakum. More information here: Portsmouth Asylum |
22 Mar 10 - 10:25 AM (#2869242) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Jim Dixon These lines are quoted in The Turn of the Balance by Brand Whitlock (Indianapolis: Bobbs Merrill Co., 1907), page 306: I wish there were no prisons, I do, I does — 'cause why? — This old treadmill makes me feel ill, : I only pinch my belly for to fill, Wi' me 'ands, WI' me dukes, Wi' me clawrs, Me mud hooks. ... [There might be more but I was unable to see more. It's classified as "snippet view" only at Google Books. [Also, it mentions that the tune is "Dixie."] |
23 Mar 10 - 09:16 AM (#2869943) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Martin Graebe Broadside version from the Baring-Gould collection of popular literature. I WISH THERE WAS NO PRISONS I'm one of those fellows what gets my livin' By taking things what isn't given With my hand – with my hand With my hand – With my dook Now I started a bis'ness in Petticoat Lane I mean I started the fingerin' game With my hand – with my hand With my hand – With my dook I wish there was no prisons I do, - I does For the old treadmill It makes me ill And I only steal my belly for to fill With my hand – with my hand I wish there was no prisons Today I met a big fat boy He'd a lot of peas- pudding and a penny saveloy In his hand – in his hand In his hand – in his dook The pudding looked nice, it was smoking hot I sneaked behind the kid and collared all the lot With my hand – with my hand With my hand – With my dook I wish there was no prisons I do, - I does For oakum pickin gives me a lickin' When I'm run in for a little bit of nickin With my hand – with my hand I wish there was no prisons As I was getn' past a great music hall I saw a kid sneak a trotter off a stall With his hand – with his hand With his hand – with his dook The owner had gone for change and not seein' copper I chucked him under the chin And he dropped that trotter In my hand – in my hand In my hand – in my dook I once met a girl she'd a perambulator With two kids in it, one of 'em had a hot potato In his hand – in his hand In his hand – in his dook As she was courting a nice young baker I kissed one of the kids and sneaked the other's tater With my hand – with my hand In my hand – in my dook Broadside from the Baring-Gould collection 'made and printed by R. Maynard, Hackney Road, E.' in a collection 'The Irish Jubilee published by H.P. Such, Printer, 183, Union Street, Borough, S.E. In 'Broadsides', p. 136 Martin |
23 Mar 10 - 04:33 PM (#2870273) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Steve Gardham Hi Martin, What was the title? And any guess on a date? Such was printing very late. The 183 numbering was c1883 right into the early 20thc. By 1922 it was W. C. Such at 183 and 186 Union St. Might be able to pinpoint it more accurately if Maynard was only on the go for a short period. Will try Googling. |
23 Mar 10 - 05:12 PM (#2870308) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I wish there were no prisons? From: Steve Gardham Googled Maynard and came up with a c1890 reference. He was at 346 Hackney Road if it's any help. |
24 Mar 10 - 10:31 PM (#2871235) Subject: Lyr Add: THE HAPPY CROOK From: Jim Dixon From Frontier Ballads by Charles Joseph Finger (Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday, Page & Co., 1927), page 90: THE HAPPY CROOK 1. I'm one of those fellows that gets his living By taking things as isn't given With my hand, with my hand, with my hand, with my mitt. I started the business in Petticoat Lane I mean I started the fingering game With my hand, &c. CHORUS: And I wish there was no prisons, I do. Don't you. For the old treadmill it makes me ill And I only steals my belly for to fill. With my hand, &c. 2. One day I saw, which it ain't no lie, A little kid with a piece of pie In his hand, &c. Now I was hungry and the pie was hot, So I sneaked behind the kid and I swiped the lot With my hand, &c. CHORUS |
23 Apr 19 - 07:36 PM (#3988794) Subject: I wish there was no Prisons From: GUEST,anonymoose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qSWf0zFvYo is there any other variations of this song? pete castle does this one although he states this one has roots in blackface minstrels of the 20th century and it'd be very appreciated if someone could provide the actual precursor to this song as it is obviously based off of an earlier folk song. |
23 Apr 19 - 08:11 PM (#3988804) Subject: RE: Origins: I wish there were no prisons From: Joe Offer Here are Pete Castle's notes from his YouTube recording of this song: A traditional English song from Kent from the 1998 CD 'apples, cherries, hops and women'. For more info see www.petecastle.co.uk Sung by Pete Castle with Dave, Kath and Heather Grabham, Bob Kenward and Ian Lawther on chorus In the English tradition this song was only ever collected once, from George Spicer from Little Chart, near Ashford in Kent. (He later moved to Sussex and his son, Ron, was well known as a 'Sussex singer'. I don't know where the words came from but the tune was obviously influenced by, or pinched from, the blackface minstrels of the late 1900s. I wish there was no prisons, I do, don't you? For the old treadmill makes me feel ill I only steal my belly for to fill With my hands, with my fists, with my maulers. Oakum picking gives me a licking Still I'm very fond of a little bit of nicking With my hands, with my fists, with my maulers. I saw a girl she had a perambulator, She had twins and each had a 'tater In his hands, in his fists, in his maulers. I kissed one kid and collared other's 'tater The mother cries out "I'll deal with you later" With my hands, with my fists, with my maulers. I thought the last word was a dental reference: "With me hands, with me fists, with me molars" I know. I should be ashamed of myself. Here is the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song. Looks like we have all the available information. I Wish There Was No PrisonsDESCRIPTION: The singer says "I only steal my belly to fill." Prison work is hard and makes him ill. He saw a girl with twins in a perambulator. He kissed one baby while he stole a potato from the other. "I wish there were no prisons. I do. Don't you?"AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1973 (recording, George Spicer) KEYWORDS: prison theft humorous nonballad baby twins FOUND IN: Britain(England(Lond)) REFERENCES (1 citation): Finger, p. 90, "The Happy Crook" (1 short text, 1 tune, which seems a little more humorous than some of the other versions) Roud #1708 RECORDINGS: George Spicer, "I Wish There Was No Prisons" (on Voice14) File: RcIWTWNP Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2019 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. Note above that Jim Dixon got as much as he could from a snippet view of Frontier Ballads, for there are parts missing from that transcription. |
17 Jun 22 - 06:18 AM (#4144635) Subject: RE: Origins: I wish there were no prisons From: GeoffLawes I Wish There Was No Prisons - Jim Eldon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-td43zcQg |
17 Jun 22 - 09:47 AM (#4144654) Subject: RE: Origins: I wish there were no prisons From: Steve Gardham Whilst the 1890s Music Hall origin is highly likely I see no reason for it to be slotted into the Blackface Minstrelsy genre. Cockney Coster genre much more likely. |
22 Jun 22 - 04:22 PM (#4145093) Subject: RE: Origins: I wish there were no prisons From: GUEST,jim bainbridge I well remember George Spicer sing this at the wonderful Elsie's pub sessions at Cowden, near Edenbridge - he came from East Kent originally & the 'Folkestone Murder' was another of his songs. His son Ron followed in his footsteps as a regular singer at the pub. I think the tune is a corruption of the minstrel song 'Dixie' |