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08 Nov 02 - 03:25 PM (#821712) Subject: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki Hello, I know that Charlie Poole used a 3 finger picking style. I am trying to learn how to pick some of his songs, but I am only used to frailing, not fingerpicking. Does anyone have any transcriptions or tab of the patterns he used for the banjo? Thanks! bdatki |
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08 Nov 02 - 03:31 PM (#821718) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: Ron Olesko Sorry to sidetrack this, but I just want to let everyone know that I will be airing a special on the music and life of Charlie Poole on my radio program TRADITIONS this Sunday 11/10 over WFDU-FM. The program will be broadcast at 4pm Eastern Time over 89.1FM in the NYC area, or you can listen in on the internet at www.wfdu.fm . My guest will be Kinney Rorrer, author of "Rambling Blues: The Story and Songs of Charlie Poole". Kinney is related to Posey Rorrer, the original fiddler in the Poole's North Carolina Ramblers. Sorry for the "non-commercial" interuption! Ron Olesko WFDU-FM |
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08 Nov 02 - 03:39 PM (#821724) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki That sounds interesting, thanks for the heads-up. I'll try to listen in over the internet. |
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08 Nov 02 - 04:36 PM (#821760) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,Pete Peterson There are no transcriptions that I know of. It was a deceptively simple style-- don't be fooled by people who say that he did a precursor of bluegrass 3-finger rols. The most common pattern is : thumb on 4th string index on 2nd and middle on 1st-- try: count 12341234 TIMIT I good luck-- email me privately at lutrine@earthlink.net for my own ideas on how it's done. Kinney R (who you'll hear on Ron O's program) plays more notes than i do but I think we both have the same idea. |
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08 Nov 02 - 05:08 PM (#821787) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki Thanks Mr Peterson. So he played chords and used that pattern? I shall try it out! |
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08 Nov 02 - 05:17 PM (#821791) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: Mark Ross I think the roll was more like(in dropped C, classical banjo tuning); 4 2 1 5 1 2 3 and then double time it. It is alternated with; 4 1&2plucked 3 1&2plucked. In G tuning substitute a 3 for the four It's called a minstrel roll. Mark Ross |
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08 Nov 02 - 05:20 PM (#821792) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: Peter T. There are transcriptions in a book called "Banjo Songs". yours, Peter T. |
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08 Nov 02 - 06:04 PM (#821814) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki Thanks everyone. Is dropped C the same as Double C, or is it gCGBD. Thanks |
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08 Nov 02 - 07:19 PM (#821866) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: Mark Ross It's gCGBD From what I hear, he never capoed, just moved the chords up and down the neck. I guess he would retune the 5th string as necessary. Mark Ross |
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08 Nov 02 - 07:46 PM (#821886) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki Ah, thank you Now I'll have to learn the drop C tuning chords. They look like finger-hurters. bdatki |
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08 Nov 02 - 08:05 PM (#821897) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie Isn't "banjo style" an oxymoron?? Seriously, I like playing in 'Ward's High Atmosphere,' eCGCD, which I believe is actually a C9. Anyway, for I (that's a Roman 1) I use either 00000 or 00005, for IV I use 06557 and for V, 08779. The relative minor, I think (no banjo in reach), is 00200. Simple folk soul that I am, those are the only chords I ever use; mostly I playing melodies or runs-and-fills. CC |
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09 Nov 02 - 01:15 AM (#822048) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: 12-stringer I visited Dock Boggs once in the late 60s, and he played me his take of Charlie Poole banjo. He used a regular C tuning and a single barred position that he just slid up and down the neck. He played it in the key of F, starting on the 5th fret with the regular barred C, I believe. I don't remember the tune, which at the time I had never heard before (i.e., it wasn't on the first County LP of Poole), but it was a bright 3/4 piece, with lyrics, and the picking was different from Mr Boggs' regular style. I was much taken with the style but could not have done a 3-finger roll if my life depended on it. I did work out "Don't Let Your Deal Go Down" in a pretty crude 2-finger version, which mostly shared that chord position with the original. |
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10 Nov 02 - 08:18 PM (#822977) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,Pete refresh |
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10 Nov 02 - 09:16 PM (#823004) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,Richie From what I read in Kinney Rorer's book, Charlie Poole did more that just play simple roll accompaniments, "Poole's three-finger roll had now evolved to a higher level and was pointing without question to the development of bluegrass music with twin fiddles and banjo breaks." Does this mean Poole group was one of the first "bluegrass" groups? -Richie |
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10 Nov 02 - 09:57 PM (#823034) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: Peter T. Pete Seeger's famous Banjo book, "How To Play The 5-String Banjo" (at least the first half of it) is in C tuning for anyone who wants to pick it up. yours, Peter T. |
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11 Nov 02 - 11:38 AM (#823396) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,Pete Peterson Richie-- This is the argument (friendly) I have with Kinney-- he wants to move Charlie Poole into the Bluegrass ancestry and hence make him "more important" than seeing him as a one of a kind phenomenon as I do; seldom imitated never duplicated. IMHO his picking style and contrapuntal runs was a completely different route than Bluegrass. It is possible to play bluegrass without ever listening to what others in the band are doing. You can't play Poole's band style that way. to Bdatki-- look at what 12-string is saying. For the left hand, make that chord in which your index finger is barring the 4th and 3rd string, middle finger is 1 fret higher and ring finger is 2 frets higher. Play that chord ANYWHERE. Now move it 5 frets higher-- you've got a IV chord for where you started. Move it 7 frets higher and you've got a V chord for that key. Even simple right hand patterns will get you sounding a lot like Poole-- either the way I suggested or Mark Ross' minstrel roll. (Try both!) and have FUN |
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11 Nov 02 - 12:36 PM (#823453) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: Peter T. Banjo Song Book, Tony Trischka -- has a small transcription of "Flop Eared Mule". yours, Peter T. |
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11 Nov 02 - 12:37 PM (#823454) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki Thanks. This explanation has helped me. Now knowing that I only need one chord shape I should be able to do it a bit easier. I don't know too much about the I IV V stuff, what fret would I start at to be in the same key that Charlie played in most of the time? |
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11 Nov 02 - 01:50 PM (#823494) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,Pete Peterson one of his favorite keys was G. So-- the G chord will be (4321 string) 7789 (bar at the 7th) the C chord is 0012 (no "bar" at all) the D chord is 2234 (bar at 2nd fret) try Baltimore Fire, Goodbye Booze, Hungry Hash House this way. Just to drive you nuts, Don't let your Deal Go Down was played in F so the circle-of-fifths progression was D (bar at 2nd) G (bar at 7th) C (no bar) F (bar at 5th) -- easier to do than explain. Where to you live-- this is fun to do f2f! (I am in eastern PA near Phila) |
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12 Nov 02 - 01:02 PM (#824303) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: GUEST,bdatki Thanks. Right now I am just strumming to get used to the barre chord , but I have it the progression worked out for Don't Let Your Deal Go Down, singing it is a lot of fun Too bad I am quite a ways away (I am in Tidewater Virginia). I will work on Don't Let Your Deal Go Down since I know the words and have a copy of that. Thanks again! |
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25 Dec 13 - 02:34 PM (#3586594) Subject: RE: Charlie Poole's Banjo Style From: The Sandman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyADGjml7twhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyADGjml7tw OR CLICK HERE |