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07 Jan 03 - 11:44 AM (#860727) Subject: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST,Soma In the beginning was the flesh And the flesh was with God And the flesh was God And the flesh became word And things went a bit Pear shaped after that. |
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07 Jan 03 - 11:52 AM (#860736) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: *daylia* Here's what the Native peoples of North America had to say about the European conception of 'God' ... "In the beginning there was the Word. And it was misunderstood". - from Jamie Sam's 'Sacred Path Cards' |
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07 Jan 03 - 12:18 PM (#860753) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Micca In the beginnig was the word ...and the word was Aardvark!!!! |
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07 Jan 03 - 12:48 PM (#860783) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST I think you mishead, Micca. Many do. The word was Allah. |
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07 Jan 03 - 12:53 PM (#860791) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Cluin Guest, get a new dictionary. Somebody ripped the first 15 or so pages out of yours. |
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07 Jan 03 - 12:59 PM (#860796) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST I don't believe so |
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07 Jan 03 - 01:00 PM (#860797) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Cluin Unbeliever! |
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07 Jan 03 - 01:39 PM (#860828) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: TIA I love the book entitled "In The Beginning" ...creation stories from around the world. It's amazing how there are nearly identical seemingly trivial elements in stories from cultures that have no record of contact for tens of thousands of years. Proof to me that all creation stories come from one story told by the distant ancestors of all of us. Wish I could remember the author/compiler. |
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07 Jan 03 - 02:26 PM (#860861) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Cluin In the beginning... |
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07 Jan 03 - 04:39 PM (#860961) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST There is no such thing as a monolithic, all encompassing philosophical/religious/spiritual "native belief" system in North America, and you sure won't find any legitimate information about native peoples' religious beliefs in a set of new age tarot cards. |
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07 Jan 03 - 05:09 PM (#860987) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Art Thieme All wrong. It was a baseball book. First words were, "In the big inning." Art Thieme |
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07 Jan 03 - 05:36 PM (#860998) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Liz the Squeak But did you notice that every culture has had a "mythical" flying beast with scales, horns, feathers, wings, and all bearing a remarkable resemblance to each other... In the beginning there were dragons! LTS - by Chinese horoscope and inclination... a dragon. |
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07 Jan 03 - 06:29 PM (#861058) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST,Q Never found any dragons in southwestern Indian mythology. Eagle was important, and in some stories other animals might have wings for a while, but they generally came to grief. No uniformity among beliefs, except among those contaminated by the Christian religion and a modern tendency to "homogenize" among the Plains groups. Of course there will always be some beliefs that coincide from one religion to another. Some are exceedingly complex (the bibliography on Navajo culture, their view of the universe, ran to 326 pages in 1980). Simplifying, in Navajo creation, in the first stage only water exists. In the next stage, there are five sacred spirits above the water. These lend themselves to creation. Stage 3, the earth came into being. Stage 4, the earth gave birth. Stage 5, At the bottom of the world, "things happen." Stage 6, the separation of the sexes. Stage 7, the flood. Like the Christian belief, this is likely based on a flood in the region whee they lived at one time. Stage 8, emergence, and stage 9, placing of the creation. Navajo creation consisted of two parts; the creation proper, and Things created for the benefit of the Navajo. Only medicine men are familiar with the details of creation; not the layman. There is a great variey of ceremonies, not the same from one area to another. See "A Taxonomic View of the Traditional Navajo Universe," Werner, Manning and Begishe, in Handbook of North American Indians, vol. 10, The Southwest, 1983, The Smithsonian. The Zuni have quite a different view, some aspects are reminiscent of one set of Japanese beliefs. |
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07 Jan 03 - 07:01 PM (#861088) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: mack/misophist A very well educated preacher once told me that the best possible translation of those words was: "When he got around to it." |
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07 Jan 03 - 07:05 PM (#861092) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Amos I don't know about the Aramaic, but the Greek implies that the act of Creation was a big Know, rather than some other kind of act. This really has telling metaphysical implications, on which Little Hawk will be happy to elucidate! :>) A |
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07 Jan 03 - 07:46 PM (#861138) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: kendall Amos, talk about "passing the book" |
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07 Jan 03 - 07:53 PM (#861149) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST The previous end. |
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07 Jan 03 - 08:42 PM (#861205) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: Amos LOL, Kendall!! May I never have to say, "The book stops here!". :>) A |
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07 Jan 03 - 11:04 PM (#861305) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST In the beginning, and until about 500 years ago the Native peoples of North America had no cards of any kind. Tarot cards are of European origin, and the traditional versions are based on the Hebrew Qabala. The standard playing cards of today are offshoots of the Tarot, to the best of my knowledge. Jamie Sam's Sacred Path Cards are a compilation of Native teachings from several First Nations, not a Tarot deck. In the beginning, there was the Word. And it's still misunderstood! daylia |
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08 Jan 03 - 12:00 PM (#861611) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST,Soma At the start the Flesh loved the Word And the Word loved the Flesh Together they danced beneath the stars Under the bowl of the sky. Flesh revelling in the songs and stories Of the word. And Word revelled in the sweetness of Melons And the joy coupling But the word grew arrogant And presumptuous And turned it's back on the flesh And spent to long in it's own company Inventing realms where the Word could go But the Flesh could not follow Time past The Word grew more arrogant Thinking itself Immortal And began to despise the flesh Sacrificing the Flesh for the Words Glory And to prove its hegemony And All was dispute and War |
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08 Jan 03 - 12:04 PM (#861616) Subject: RE: BS: In The Beginning From: GUEST,Sunbeam Soma that's beautiful and full of insight! Thank you!! Sunbeam |