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16 Jan 03 - 02:08 PM (#868532) Subject: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: Amos The following is from a correspondent writing to the politech list from the American Civil Liberties Union. "This report grew out of our sense here at the ACLU that in order to make progress on the privacy issue, we have to shift the terms of the debate. When viewed in isolation, many new privacy invasions seem harmless to many Americans, who don't see why they should care that (for example) someone is recording the date and time that they drive through a tollbooth. To understand the privacy issue one has to look at the big picture to understand that each new piece of information collected about us, no matter how seemingly harmless, is increasingly being added together with thousands of other data points to create an extremely intrusive, high-resolution picture of our lives. The need to shift the terms of the debate on privacy to focus more on the big picture was made a lot easier by the breaking of the story of the Pentagon/Poindexter Total Information Awareness program and that story has provided the perfect opportunity to try to spark a broader discussion of how we are going to handle all the intrusive new technologies that are being developed, and what we are going to let this country turn into. The report is available on-line at http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=11573&c=39." Regards, A |
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16 Jan 03 - 02:58 PM (#868601) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: Bobert A. Like I've said many times, Johnny Ashcroft won't be happy until there's a camera in every bedroom. Law enforecment has changed drastically over the past decade or so. There is more intrusion of government in everyone's lives. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, police are not solving homocides unless they are high profile, don't care to do any real investigating of robberies and theft (Sorry, sir. We'll take a report so you can call your insurance company)and couldn't care less about people writing bad checks (now a civil matter). Yeah, this has all happened over the last decade or so that the attention has been diverted from criminals to the average law abiding citizen. I'll give you another example. An illegal car dealer (curbstoner), if convicted in the sate of Virginia for operating a business without a license will get a $250 fine. A leagl dealer who may not have every little piece of paper, if caught, will get a $2500 fine and a 30 day suspension of his license. Hmmmmmm? Okay, may I have drifted away from the thread a tad but it is important in this discussion that law enforcment is being turned increasingly toward leagl activity rather than the opposite. And I have a lot of friend who are police officers and they'll say the same thing (off the record, of course...) Awww, nevermind, dang it.... Bobert |
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16 Jan 03 - 03:23 PM (#868632) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: Amos For a further analysis of the full scope and meaning of Poindexter's interpretation of the Total Information Awareness concet, see this article by the ACLU. I warn you that it is ugly. Especially ugly is the deft falsification exercised by Poindexter in the best Bushbunde tradition of using desireable names for undesireable things in order that they will slide down people's throats with less effort. An example is P's assurance that domestic spying will support privacy. If that isn't straight Orwellian doubletalk, what is? I spit. A |
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17 Jan 03 - 01:15 PM (#868865) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: Bearheart Thanks, Amos, for posting this so others could be made more aware of the problem. I am emailing this thread to a number of friends who are interested. Bekki |
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17 Jan 03 - 01:33 PM (#868895) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: DougR Bobert: please describe the government's intrusion into your life. Has a camera been placed in your bedroom? DougR |
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17 Jan 03 - 02:24 PM (#868945) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: katlaughing Maybe not that close, Doug, but if he marches on Washington tomorrow, he will be on candid camera courtesy of Big Brother who is going to turn on those cameras only during a peaceful assembly protected by the First Amendment. |
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17 Jan 03 - 04:12 PM (#869031) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: DougR Right on, kat! I'm all for folks marching, and I already told Bobert in another thread not to let a little cold weather get in the way of his mooning! I wasn't very excited about the Super Bowl and didn't watch much of it, but to see Bobert carrying those signs and mooning the camera ...I wouldn't miss it for anything! DougR |
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17 Jan 03 - 04:16 PM (#869036) Subject: RE: BS: ACLU on Erosion of Freedoms From: leprechaun There's another case of some poor FBI agent coming in late on a Monday morning and getting stuck with monitoring the camera in Bobert's bedroom. I wonder if they hand out assignments based on seniority? Is that true Kat? Do they turn them off when the demonstration gets violent? |