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29 Jan 03 - 05:20 PM (#877916) Subject: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing In a city in the northwest US, an organisation wanted to buy some billboards and put this simple slogan on them, "Give peace a chance." The company which now owns almost all of the billboards there, Clear Channel, which has also taken over so many radio stations, refused to sell them the space because of the message. Suddenly, old billboards which had not been in use, on various buildings and byways, were brought back to life with the peace message. The people of the business and city community refused to stay silent and found a way around such tactics as Clear Channel's. In that same state, a tv ad about road rage shows a scenario of car after car on the freeway being driven by angry drivers, then cuts away to one person who begins to sing "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me..." The message follows about giving peace a chance when driving, etc. Some people I know, including myself, are so numbed by the constant barrage of negativity and war talk in our media and government, etc. that the one thing we can think to do is sing this peace song and/or repeat the "mantra" of "give peace a chance." Please, if you feel so inclined, post what other positive news you have of peace in your community or elsewhere. It would be a nice balance if we could keep this thread peacefull and post the political commentaries in the myriad of threads already there for that purpose. Thanks, in Peace Profound, kat |
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29 Jan 03 - 05:25 PM (#877919) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: GUEST Kat, I very much agree with what you're trying to say. You can't have peace without politics, though. Nature of the human condition etc. |
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29 Jan 03 - 05:28 PM (#877924) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Bobert All we are saying Is give peace a chance All we are saying Is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance Well, I'm wearing my "Peace" button on my hat every day and every where I go. In the town where I work people know me as a tad ecentric but they also know that I'm a harmless and peaceful person so I don't get in their face. Just wear the button. All we are saying Is give peace a chance All we are saying.... Bobert |
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29 Jan 03 - 05:37 PM (#877930) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing Thanks, Bobert. Guest, yes we have to have politics, but we can also have a time away, a sanctuary, if you will, to replenish. Perhaps I should have just labeled this that instead, but I did want to illustrate what folks have done/are doing to keep the idea of peace alive. Politics does not have to be in every space on this website, nor in our lives. It is possible to contemplate peace without politics, imo. There is power in our thoughts and words, as well as our actions, so...if we turn our minds to peace...well make of it what you will... |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:27 PM (#877972) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Clinton Hammond There's a time for all things... War... Peace... Life... Death... |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:33 PM (#877979) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: DonMeixner Waxing your legs? |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:41 PM (#877987) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: DonMeixner I am of two minds here. I don't believe Hussein when he says he has no weapons of mass destruction. I don't believe him when he says he isn't harboring or helping terrorists. I honestly think he can't open his mouth without a lie flying forth. The sad part is, I don't believe my own President either. We are going to war and we can't stop the momentum not that the rock is rolling. I am not afraid for myself at all. I will do what I will do but my sons are 20 and could be caught up in this conflict. As long as I accept the fact that we are going to go to war I have to hope that this will be quick and over soon. I do worry that Hussein does have his lethal toys but will only use them when we are there. That way he can blame the US for bringing them in and letting loose a beast we can never again contain. Don |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:45 PM (#877992) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: nutty I wrote this peace song after Sept 11th but sing it regularly and it always gets a good reception. I have posted it before on Mudcat but it still says all I want to say about the situation. PEACE IN OUR TIME Peace in our time The politicians said But since that time How many millions dead And when the bombs fall from the sky And when we hear the bullets fly How often will we hear the cry For peace in our time Peace in our time Thats what the children heard Peace in our time And they believed the words Yet nations still prepare for war Breaking God and Nature's law How many more will die before There's peace in our time Peace in our time Thats the dream to hold Peace in our time Before we grow old An end to all hostility So everyone on Earth is free To live their lives in harmony With peace in our time. Words and Music by Hazel Bolton |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:46 PM (#877994) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing Sorry, Don, but what does that have to do with focussing on peace? I give up. |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:51 PM (#877998) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: DonMeixner Not a thing I guess Kat and I am sorry, any Joe Clone can extract that and this post with my permission. It was more a rant at my own frustration with this whole mess. Don |
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29 Jan 03 - 06:53 PM (#878001) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing My apologies, Don. Your concerns are very valid and I didn't mean to denigrate them. Thanks, nutty. Great song, very poignant. |
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29 Jan 03 - 07:25 PM (#878022) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Bobert Ain't nuttin' nutty 'bout you, nutty... Nice song. Peace Bobert |
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29 Jan 03 - 08:00 PM (#878049) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: GUEST,Casual Observer Clear Channel is a broadcast monopoly that needs sorely to be broken up before they own every radio station on the globe. |
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29 Jan 03 - 08:07 PM (#878055) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Clinton Hammond Don't you remember... "There will be NO peace, as long as Kirk lives!" |
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29 Jan 03 - 08:15 PM (#878065) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Neighmond Don't you hear the H-bomb's thunder Echo like the crack of doom When the skies are torn asunder- Fallout makes the earth a tomb It goes on from there-I don't know the rest and I didn't write it either-my mother sang it at some of the rallies in the past. She doesn't know who wrote it either but it sounds appropriate. Chaz |
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29 Jan 03 - 11:57 PM (#878201) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: DougR I hope you get a lot of positive response on this thread, kat. What I have seen coming from the liberal majority on the Mudcat of late is nothing but negativity. It would be quite a welcome change to see some positive things coming from this group. DougR |
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30 Jan 03 - 12:50 AM (#878222) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Rustic Rebel This is a start of a tune I'm writing; Faded History The world has had it's time of lessons all well learned. And now we can reflect for those that are yet unborn. Let the tales of horror and war pass beyond our imagination. Let's start a new beginning with new tales of communication. Logic makes us see We have nothing to lose. Peace is within our grasp If that is what we choose. Let's take a chance Begin anew Start from scratch See what we can do To create a new history For all mankind to tell. The stories of a peacefull era And how we came to say We are a unity of people And let the old history Fade away. Like I said- a work in progress. Peace. Rustic |
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31 Jan 03 - 12:48 AM (#878868) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: DougR Refresh. |
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31 Jan 03 - 01:05 AM (#878872) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing Well done, RR, and Neighmond/Chaz, thanks. |
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31 Jan 03 - 01:27 AM (#878880) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Mudlark Kat, there is a Give Peace a Chance billboard on a corner about 10 miles from my home...put up by an Englishman, now living in CA, who fought in WW II. He told me he occasionally gets some flack about it, but often from people who have never actually been through war...and don't seem to quite realize it's not a movie, and the heros don't come back for another role another day. BTW, the original Give Peace a Chance billboard was designed by (ex) Sister Mary Corita, during the Viet Nam war, I think. She did several, all collages, all with peaceful sayings worked into them...very effective. Thanks for this thread. I do think it is meaningful to focus on peace. The full force of the media focuses on war as it is so much sexier, sells more papers, air time but skews reality. So I quit listening and ponder this instead: "What if you know that the impulse to move in a way that creates beauty in the would will arise deep within and guide you every time you simply pay attention and wait? How would this shape your stillness, your movement, your willingness to follow this impulse, to just let go and dance?" by Oriah Mountain Dreamer Corny maybe, and wishful thinking, but if there no good in mankind, nothing to balance the penchant for mayhem, what hope is there? |
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31 Jan 03 - 02:01 PM (#879266) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: *daylia* Everybody's talkin 'bout CIA, Bombs away!, Bush's flamin', Saddams's gamin', twin towers fallin', peace talks stallin', robot warships, demon worship, Blairs befuddlin', Mudcat muddlin', terrorisms, scare'erisms, conspiracies, atrocities, media lyin', West Bank fryin', United Nations, oil inflations .... All we are saying is Give Peace a Chance! Thanks for the thread kat - daylia |
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31 Jan 03 - 03:52 PM (#879370) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing Well done, daylia! You're welcome. You, too, Mudlark. I dont' think that's corny at all; it's a beautiful message and our world would be much better if more people took the time to do as she asks. The world is so out of balance with all of the negativity. It is amazing what can happen when people put their minds on a positive path. We can watch the scales tip and at least come back closer to centre. Thanks, very much. |
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31 Jan 03 - 04:30 PM (#879407) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: TIA Our kids have started a letter-writing campaign at their school asking the Prez to find a peaceful solution "because they don't want the Iraqi kids to go to sleep worrying" (quote from a seven year old). For the kids - PEACE |
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31 Jan 03 - 05:15 PM (#879457) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Clinton Hammond One cannot have peace, unless one is prepared to make war... |
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31 Jan 03 - 05:46 PM (#879488) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Rustic Rebel PEACE Peace.Rustic |
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31 Jan 03 - 05:50 PM (#879493) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: gnu Gosh Clinton, we agree. Even gosher, kat et al, give peace a chance. BUT - only after there is equality and justice for all. The Taliban forbade religious freedom, women to be educated, ad infinitum. Until we stop slavery, religious persecution, racial cleansing, female castration... must I go on ? there can be no peace. Certainly not in the hearts of any with compassion for their fellow human beings. |
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31 Jan 03 - 09:29 PM (#879700) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: GUEST Contemplating peace is very important. But it would be dangerously naive to think that, combined with a positive attitude, it is sufficient enough to successfully fight "evil" or "negativity" or whatever one wishes to call the holocaust underway in this world. Bush/Hussein is only the current (temporary) saturnian face we put on evil/negativity. But that face has been with us for a very long time in the US, so acceptance of what we must personally do about it in our daily lives is what is most important, not simple retreat and contemplation, IMO. Contemplation must be joined with right, positive action for the contemplation to be effective. That is what all the great spiritual leaders teach us. Right action should be the direct result of contemplation. We can't just retreat and contemplate. We must retreat to contemplate, in order to know what our right, positive action will be. That is why, the Dalai Lama and Gandhi tell us, we contemplate. To get ourselves to the right action. Here is another beautiful, hopeful sign (and there are millions of them surrounding us everyday, if you just would turn off your damn televisions. I think this one is my favorite so far--I really love it: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0119-02.htm |
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31 Jan 03 - 09:51 PM (#879715) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: GUEST In the struggle rewards are few. In the fact, I know of only two, loving friends and living dreams. These rewards are not so few it seems. --Anonymous |
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31 Jan 03 - 10:00 PM (#879720) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: GUEST Donate here to keep the Billboards for Peace campaign growing! http://www.peaceroots.org/billboards/ |
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31 Jan 03 - 10:11 PM (#879725) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Bobert Good site, GUEST. Looks like the Murdocks, Disneys and General Electics of the world have said, "Sorry, you commie faggot bastards, we're not running your ads!" Or somthing like that. Yeah, they would run 26 hours a day of Bush's temper tantrums but let one minister from a Methodis Church try to buy a spot on their sacred-friggin-cow-television to say, hey, "Give Peace a Chance" and they go balistic (no pun intended)... Better yet, get a spray can of paint and paint the word "lies" on the paper boxes in your hometown. But don't get caught or you'kll end up before a military tribunal and shot. Okay, don't paint "lies". Paint "peace". Or peace signs.... Bobert |
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31 Jan 03 - 10:25 PM (#879733) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: GUEST,HeynonAnony And don't forget to visit your peace-friendly threads like the "Get Your FREE Peace Buttons Here!!!" thread too. |
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31 Jan 03 - 10:29 PM (#879737) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Ebbie Great photo, GUEST. I don't think PEACE is the absence of war. Peace is a positive, not an emptiness. Thanks for this thread, kat. |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:57 AM (#890362) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing Unudder Mudder sent this to me, today. It's written by a medical doctor. I found it quite helpful and inspiring: "Dear Friends, "The fear and anxiety caused by the possibility of war are the biggest health challenges we face right now. As a physician, I know full well that emotions such as fear and anger impede the healing process and, if held long enough, actually lock us into a vicious cycle that produces more pain, more fear, and more anxiety. This can wreak havoc on our minds, bodies, and spirits. But this doesn't have to be the case. "There are very specific things each of us can do right now to help prevent war and at the same time create peace in our bodies, minds, and spirits. I was strongly reminded of that this week. Both of my daughters called from their respective colleges with concerns and worries about what they've heard on the news about a possible terrorist attack. One wanted to know what I thought about stockpiling cash, water, and canned goods. Her roommate's mother had sent them warnings. The other daughter wanted to know if I thought it was safe for her to go to NYC this weekend. I told them to go about their lives as usual, while paying attention to their inner guidance. I reassured them that they each had access to guidance from within that would lead them in the right direction if they paid attention. I also gave them a way to think about the current global situation that leads to healing and peace, not further conflict, and shared with them my unshakable belief that each of us has the power, through our thoughts and emotions, to influence the energy of the planet in a way that helps prevent further conflict and also creates peace. Here's what you can do. "1. Use your thoughts wisely. Understand their power. Thoughts have a tendency to become their physical equivalent. This is one of the fundamental laws of the universe. Another one is the law of attraction, which states that "like attracts like." Because it is consciousness that creates reality, the kind of consciousness you hold-your vibration-actually creates the kind of life you're living. It's impossible to create peace and harmony if you're pushing up against a war. It's impossible to create peace and harmony if you're condemning George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, etc. You don't have to agree with them, but realize that you'll be contributing to the energy that creates war if you assume an "embattled" mentality concerning them. The split in our nation right now about war is actually creating more of the energy of war. It's not possible to "fight" for peace without creating war. "2. To create peace, you have to be peaceful. The only way to stop war is to start from within yourself. You must do personal disarmament. The only way to get and stay peaceful is to concentrate on what brings you peace and resist the downward spiral of negative emotions that blames others for your lack of peace. Remember, that to which you give your attention expands. Although there is no denying that we're in a perilous and frightening position right now, that doesn't mean we are powerless to change it. But the only way to do so is by changing your thoughts and emotions from those of anger, hatred, and fear to those associated with compassion and peace. "Spend 30 seconds several times a day creating a "virtual" reality of what peace would look and feel like. Imagine that it's a year from now and the economy is flourishing. George Bush is radiantly healthy; the governments of the free world are all cooperating to ensure global harmony and peace. And Saddam and Bin Laden and their influence have disappeared from the planet. Imagine all our soldiers back home and reunited with their families. Imagine a global village in which all of us can travel freely and joyously and with understanding and acceptance of each other's cultures. When thinking about Iraq or North Korea, imagine the women and children. Send your energy and compassion to them. Don't try to change the men of these countries. In fact, don't even give them any thought lest you energize them. Withdraw your energy from them so that you will no longer be "feeding" them. "Dozens of studies have documented the fact that our thoughts can and do affect others in profound and measurable ways. When a critical mass of individuals (1 percent of the population) was brought together to practice Transcendental Meditation in various areas of the world, for example, there was a measurable decrease in the number of violent crimes, suicides, terrorist attacks, and even international conflicts worldwide. (Orme-Johnson, et al. (1988). International Peace Project in the Middle East: The effect of the Maharishi technology on the unified field. Journal of Conflict Resolution, vol. 32, (4), pp. 776-812.) There are also over 180 studies that have documented the positive effect of prayer on everything from other humans to yeast cells. "3. Imagine all the angels and non-physical beings who are working on the other side to protect and uplift all of us. Know that they can only do their work in an atmosphere of compassion, not condemnation. The energy of condemnation will prevent them from connecting with the hearts of those who most need their inspiration and love. "4. Avoid watching the news and reading the newspapers. Headlines are designed to keep you afraid and disempowered so that you will buy more papers or watch more TV. Then you get "hooked" on the news because you're waiting for some official "guidance" that will keep you safe and secure. This simply can't happen, because it's not the way the media is set up. The media is designed to get you riled up, so that you remain tuned in to the "chain of pain." The only lasting safety and security come from the peace that you create within yourself. What's safe for one person will be dangerous for another. Remember all the hundreds of stories from September 11, about the people who were supposed to be at the World Trade Center but, for hundreds of different reasons, simply weren't there that day. Tune in to how you are feeling when you've severed the influence of the mass media. This will give you the guidance you're seeking. "5. Finally, know that when you are tuned into your heart, your Inner Wisdom, and God, then your energy lightens up and your vibration literally changes. You become a beacon of light and peace. You become an uplifter and a peacemaker. There's an old saying, "The rising tide lifts all boats. But it won't raise a stone." Stop looking at and thinking about the stones. Join me in raising the tide. And remember the words of the great M. K. Gandhi, When in despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won; there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Warmly, Christiane Northrup, M.D." |
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14 Feb 03 - 12:05 PM (#890365) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Mrrzy I'm going to be posting a song called Why Sack Iraq, which is more about why not THIS war but has a lot of why fight at all in it... I think that the current warmongering is so bad that even people who aren't anti-war in general, as I am, should be against THIS one. I'll make a blicky when I finish the posting, but wanted to have the anti-THIS war thing out there right away now. Thanks, katposting! |
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14 Feb 03 - 12:16 PM (#890379) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Mrrzy Voil&agrav blicky... |
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14 Feb 03 - 02:24 PM (#890463) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Rustic Rebel Christiane Northrup speaks my basic philosophy of life. Thank you very much Kat for posting that. Sometimes I need a reminder to settle down and that post was the inspiration I needed for today and this week-end. Love, Rustic (Peace.) |
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14 Feb 03 - 03:19 PM (#890510) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: katlaughing You're welcome! I told the Catter who sent it to me it was just what I needed right now, too. Good stuff, isn't it, Rustic? Thanks! kat |
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14 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM (#890535) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Don Firth Unfortunately, there are not very many politicians, Republicans or Democrats, who seem have the guts to stand strongly for peace against the powerful forces that wish to lead us into war. I'm proud to say that my congressional representative (Washington State, 7th Congressional District), Jim McDemott, is one who is willing to speak out and to keep speaking out. I'm not sure that THIS will accomplish anything, but he's certainly on the right track, and he doesn't give up easily. It's people like him who maintain my faith that there may be hope for our political system in spite of all. Don Firth |
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14 Feb 03 - 06:00 PM (#890614) Subject: RE: BS: Give Peace a Chance From: Ebbie Is it possible that with today's developments - or lack of them- with the report of the Inspectors at the UN, that Bush, et al, might back down? Grumbling and sniffing and turning up their noses, but back down, and embrace diplomacy instead? I've been thinking that the best scenario, given the administration's mindset, would be having Hussein flee into exile but perhaps, just maybe, there's another option? Give Peace a Chance, indeed. |