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02 Feb 03 - 07:34 PM (#880956) Subject: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: GUEST Despite all the war drumming and the full court press from the White House in the last several weeks leading up to and including the State of the Union, the poll numbers of those supporting war against Iraq went up only slightly. Anyone else had just about enough of the mainstream media acting as the Bush White House's propaganda wing now? 24/7 on every news program? Relentless, isn't it? I can't remember ever seeing the likes of this propagandizing in my lifetime. |
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02 Feb 03 - 07:36 PM (#880960) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: Brakn I might agree with you and I might not.......Who are you? |
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02 Feb 03 - 07:41 PM (#880964) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: GUEST Hello Brakn, thanks for replying. I am sure you have heard of me, as I am credited with having written many tunes, songs, and poems. I am Anon. :) |
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02 Feb 03 - 08:14 PM (#880989) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: GUEST,jlbaker@qx.net I recall the Day which will live in Infamy speech over the radio following the newsboys screaming Extra Extra the Japs Bomb Pearl Harbor we are at War!we have come a long way baby when the whole war establishment of the US sounds like the old tent revival forward advertisments tack to every surface IT's COMING, IT's COMING SOON, IT's COMING NEXT WEEK,IT's COMING ANYDAY,and sometime it did and sometime it didn't just depending on the weather and the collection plates along the route...basically,Geo I played it by his opinion polls so Geo II appears to be doing the same...so he does not lose his popularity ...but there seems to be a rising consensus in his little glee club that what we need here is a two front war with a possible small nuclear bang to make the world see who is the one still carrying the big stick and whipping the dog not softly |
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02 Feb 03 - 08:57 PM (#881002) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: mg I can't call this one and won't pretend to. I guess I would rather wait until San Francisco Bay is poisoned and Louisville gets anthrax and Seattle..no don't touch Seattle..my family is there..OK ...Ft. Wayne..is nuked..and the highways are mined from sea to shining sea....then we go after the sobs. No good way to take care of this that I can see. It could be a quick and decisive action that would free people from the horrors they have been living in. It could spread and be WWIII. Anything could happen. I do think we are moving rapidly toward a much better world. We have electricity, solar power, helicopters, birth control, natural and artificial antibiotics, an educated core population of the world, religions that have loosened their grip. When people are not shooting at the trucks or planes, we have ways to move food and water and tents quickly. We have an excess of material goods in the west..we just have to move them (I used to be in the spearhead of logistics). We have the internet that can track and reunite displaced people. We have ways of making shelters out of old pop bottles, out of sand and dirt. What do poor countries have most of them except sand and dirt and rocks..anything anyone knows can be shared with the rest of the world like this right this minute. Buck up people. It's not over yet. mg |
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02 Feb 03 - 10:46 PM (#881048) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: CarolC Here's a site with information that is independent of the mainstream media. Looks like a good site to me so far, although I'm still checking it out. Center for Cooperative Research |
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02 Feb 03 - 11:00 PM (#881054) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: leprechaun I knew there was something I liked about you mary garvey. |
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02 Feb 03 - 11:04 PM (#881055) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: Little Hawk Ah, Mary...I have been to some poor countries, and they have a wealth of human beauty and heart that can just about leave you breathless, if you venture outside the hotel grounds and actually live among the regular people. - LH |
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02 Feb 03 - 11:43 PM (#881072) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: CarolC mary garvey, I think you might be interested in taking a good look at the Center for Cooperative Research site I provided a link to in my previous post in this thread. |
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03 Feb 03 - 01:33 AM (#881097) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: DougR I don't know what poll you are referring to, flamer guest, the one I have see shows that after the State of the Union speech, support for the administration's effort to enforce the UN resolutions increased from 57% to 66%. That is a sizable increase. DougR |
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03 Feb 03 - 02:08 AM (#881107) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: Ebbie Carol C, thanks. I'm reading that one and the one JackTS posted on another thread. I'm cold. |
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03 Feb 03 - 02:27 AM (#881112) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: Kaleea The decision making military minds & briefed higher-ups are aware of a great deal more activity than are we. Much of that info is downright terrifying. They are quite accurate that if left unchecked, the growing ranks of our reckless zealot enemies will wreak total havok upon us. However, disposing of one country's leader will not stop all of the anti American terrorists at this point. There are too many of them scattered around the globe. We must find a way to get along with the peoples of as many countries as possible. If we all help each other for good, the good people of other countries will slowly, but assuredly discourage those terrorists, and finally, turn them in. This is the longer road to peace, however, it well may be the better one. I think that those in the position of making our decisions for us to war or not to war will in the end, choose war, as it will seem, to them, as the way to slap a band-aid on the situation. Problem is, they are going to run out of band-aids before they run out of places which need bandaging. We who believe in peace must remain true to our beliefs. While I think that only madmen truly want to wage war, sometimes our leaders choose that route because they think that it will somehow work to kill for peace. But when people who are in the habit of war choose an eye for an eye, and another eye for another eye, eventually all will be blind and no one will be able to see truth anymore. Dr. Martin Luther King taught that violence begets violence. Golly gee whiz, who is in the right? |
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03 Feb 03 - 03:27 AM (#881125) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: mg I think that is a very sweet sentiment, but I also think that good people don't discourage terrorists. I think that terrorists discourage good people. In fact terrorists terrorize good people. They can get good people to do bad things out of fear, for themselves and especially for their families. mg |
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03 Feb 03 - 12:04 PM (#881414) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: DougR I agree Mary. Unfortunately the terrorists do not operate on our time-line. They have one of their own, and, unfortunately, turning one's cheek means nothing to them. They see it as a matter of weakness. The free world has only one choice, it seems to me, answer violence with greater violence. DougR |
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03 Feb 03 - 12:12 PM (#881426) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: GUEST Let us not forget the fine job we've done liberating Afghanistan from the horrific circumstances of their lives under the Taliban. I'm sure starving and being at the mercy of the warlords is much better under US occupation. |
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03 Feb 03 - 07:50 PM (#881894) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: Barry Finn I believe tonight's menu is Crow & C. Powell's on his 3rd helping at the moment. ROTFLMFAO, Barry |
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03 Feb 03 - 07:55 PM (#881899) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: CarolC Can you elaborate on that please, Barry? I'm not sure I know what you're referring to. |
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03 Feb 03 - 08:13 PM (#881909) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: Bobert I'm curious, too, Barry. You know something that we don't here? mary: This thread is about you. Just about everything you said was born from the PR ploy that the war handlers had Condi Rice deliver. You know the one about to mushroom clouds. Doug: Heck, you'd agree with mary if she told you that Bush was from Mars. Or Teribus toild you that cows fly. I expect more from you. At least get brainwashed directly rather tha have to come to the Catbox for your dosage... And like GUEST, I am very concerned with a country that is spending so much energy in trying to sell a war that folks just don't want. And, no, Doug, I'm not talking polls here but I am very much out into the world on a daily basis with my PEACE button and I'm talkin' to lots of people and just not finding this groundswell of support that *your*pollsters are reporting and I'm working and living in a very conservative area of the country. Go figure... Bobert |
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03 Feb 03 - 08:33 PM (#881922) Subject: RE: BS: US Media & the War Propaganda From: GUEST Pick your poll, Dougie boy. None show a huge spike in the numbers, and it all depended on how was polled (majority of people who watched the State of Union are Republicans) and what the question was about, ie if it was about Iraq, the numbers came up a bit, but are still VERY soft. If it was the economy, your Bushie boy looks like the instant karma repeat of his daddy: "It's the economy, stupid". GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll, conducted Jan. 13-16, shows George W. Bush's job approval rating at 61%. Thirty-four percent of Americans disapprove of the job Bush is doing. The approval percentage is slightly higher than that found in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Jan. 10-12. Tepid Reaction to Bush's Economic Proposals President's approval rating on economy remains unchanged -- below 50% level by David W. Moore GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ -- President Bush's proposals to stimulate the economy have stimulated little enthusiasm among the public, according to the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll. Only about one in six Americans have paid close attention to the proposals, and opinion is about evenly divided on whether they should be passed into law. Only one in five Americans believe Bush's economic plan will make a big difference to the nation's economy, while fewer believe it will make a big difference to them and their families. Bush's economic approval rating is at 48%, essentially unchanged from last week. A majority of Americans, 55%, believe the president is not paying enough attention to the economy. Polls: Bush better at stating Iraq case Speech watchers not as convinced about economy Associated Press Thursday, January 30, 2003 Polls taken after President Bush's State of the Union address suggest his threats of military action against Iraq resonated more strongly with the national audience than his message on the economy. By a 2-1 margin, speech watchers polled by CNN-USA Today-Gallup and ABC News said Bush made a convincing case about the need for the United States to take military action against Iraq. Those in the Gallup poll were less convinced the economy would be helped by his plans for speeding up planned tax cuts and new cuts as well. In the Gallup poll, 49 percent said his program is likely to get this country out of its current economic problems, and 43 percent said it would not. The ABC poll also suggested speech watchers were more impressed by his Iraq remarks. Those who watched the speech were more likely to be Republican than Democratic, which is typical of those who watch such speeches. Pollsters say that those who like a president are more likely to tune in. A CBS News poll found Bush boosted support for military action against Iraq among viewers, but it found those who watched the speech were equally split between taking military action soon and giving the United Nations more time. The speech did little to sway opinions of the nation as a whole, according to ABC, which conducted an overall poll of the population while also checking the speech viewers. |