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03 Feb 03 - 09:11 AM (#881265) Subject: Liverpool Packet From: Bat Goddess First off, the song I'm looking for is not "The Dreadnaught" as in Hugill and DigiTrad. Nor is it the tune as in the DT or as recorded by Louis Killen. The chorus is: Bound away, bound away Through the ice, sleet and snow. She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go. The voice(s) I'm hearing in my head is Pinch O' Salt or Joyce & Danny McLeod, but I can't find it on their recordings. Linn |
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03 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM (#881278) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Charley Noble Linn- You're right! That traditional song's not on their own recording, or on The Keelers, or Pinch of Salt, nor on Johnney Collins, Portsmouth Shantymen, or Swansea Shantymen. Puzzling. Maybe they give it a different title such as "Bound Away" or maybe they just haven't recorded it yet. See you all on Saturday! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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03 Feb 03 - 09:47 AM (#881290) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Bat Goddess Nope, I went through the various cuts and couldn't find it that way, either. And you mean Baggywrinkle, not Swansea Shantymen? The voices in my head definitely sound like Danny & Joyce -- I'll have to e-mail them. Linn |
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03 Feb 03 - 10:35 AM (#881319) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: nutty This might be the version you are looking for ..... Sung by a group called Jolly Roger The Dreadnaught or this version from the 'contemplator' site The Dreadnaught |
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03 Feb 03 - 11:10 AM (#881358) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: radriano Riggy sings this. In fact, it's on his new CD. Hey RIGGY, where are you? |
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03 Feb 03 - 12:27 PM (#881440) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,JohnB It is on a Margaret Cristl (Sp?) tape which I have somewhere at home. I think the song is titled Liverpool Packet on that recording. JohnB |
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03 Feb 03 - 12:42 PM (#881461) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,Riggy@work Yup ~ it's on my CD & I learned it from Margaret Christl. Buddies Holdstock&MacLeod sang chorus behind her [ Nice view !! ] on her wonderful recording. Rigggy |
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03 Feb 03 - 02:03 PM (#881541) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Bat Goddess No, Nutty, neither of those. Linn |
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03 Feb 03 - 02:11 PM (#881551) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Crane Driver Dave does sing it, Linn, but we won't let him record it. His version is so long that most people have lost the will to live before he's got out of Liverpool Bay. It would require a whole CD to itself. When he starts, the rest of us go to the bar for half an hour or so. "Oh Lord, let 'er go!" Andrew (of Baggyrinkle - note: no "w") ;-} |
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03 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM (#881683) Subject: ADD: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,Riggy@work LIVERPOOL PACKET At the Liverpool docks at the break of the day I saw a flash packet, bound a westward away She was bound for the west where the wild waters flow She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord Let her go.... CHO: Bound away, bound away Through the ice, sleet and snow. She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go. And now we're a-waiting in the Mersey so deep A-waiting our tug for to tow us to sea We'll round the rock light were the wild waters flow She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord Let her go.... And now we are sailing thru the wild Irish Sea Our passengers are merry & their hearts full of glee Our sailors like tigers do walk to & fro She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord let her go. And now we are off the Banks of Newfoundland Where the water's all fishes & the bottom's all sand The fishes they sing as they swim to & fro She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord let her go. And now we're arriving in old New York town We're bound for the Bowery to let sorrows drown With our girls & our beer, boys, we'll let the songs flow She's a Liverpool Packet oh Lord let her go. Riggy |
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03 Feb 03 - 04:15 PM (#881699) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: p.j. It's a fine song, sung very well by our Riggy. Among my favorites of his (and there are many.) By the way Rigs, the one you sang at the Plough last night was lovely. What was it? And why aren't you working, young man? love, pj |
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03 Feb 03 - 04:30 PM (#881715) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Charley Noble Riggy- looks to me like you nailed it! Wish I was back in Liverpool, Liverpoole Town were I was born... Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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03 Feb 03 - 04:33 PM (#881718) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,riggy@work Thanks, PJ for the THREAD CREEP & your kind woids. Last night I put forth my attempt at GARNER'S GAY. It is Dick's favorite song discussing the clap in pastoral imagery. Hence, the runny, runny rue. Also, a quick flash of viagra in the mighty oak, standing fast & upright, proclaiming undying love. oooooooooops the boss is watching............ Riggy |
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03 Feb 03 - 04:46 PM (#881727) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: p.j. Dear Riggy, When you say "It is Dick's favorite song" one must hope to assume you mean the eminent Dr. Holdstock, not, well, never mind. We'll be safe as long as 'Catspaw never sees this thread... 'k, now you gotta post the lyrics, ya know peej |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:04 PM (#881742) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Joe Offer Riggy - we have Come All You Garners Gay in the Digital Tradition. Is that the song you sing? Looks like that one is related to "Sprig of Thyme. -Joe Offer- |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:15 PM (#881749) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,riGGi@Woik Hey Joe !! Who's (William Bartle) ?? RiGGy |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:24 PM (#881757) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Bat Goddess Sorry for the typo in Baggyrinkle and thanks for the words! Now all I have to do is figure out who I'm hearing in my head. And now I suppose I'm open to the accusation that I'm just doing what the voices in my head tell me to. Thanks! Linn |
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03 Feb 03 - 08:33 PM (#881923) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Malcolm Douglas It was from William (Billy) Bartle of Wrestlingworth in Bedfordshire that the blind folk song collector Fred Hamer got the set of Come All You Garners Gay that is quoted in the DT. That was in 1960; Billy died in the hard winter of 1962-3. There is a midi made from notation given in Hamer's book Garners Gay (EFDS 1967) at the Mudcat Midi Pages: Garners Gay He can be heard singing his set of the song on the CD A Century of Song: A Celebration of Traditional Singers Since 1899 (EFDSSCD02, 1998), issued by the English Folk Dance and Song Society to mark the centenary of the Folk Song Society. |
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04 Feb 03 - 01:29 PM (#882415) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Stewart Back to Liverpool Packet, what's the tune? And does the song have an author, or is it trad.? Cheers, S. in Seattle |
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04 Feb 03 - 03:22 PM (#882513) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Skipper Jack You'll find a version of Liverpool Packet sung by Mystic's Forebitter on their "Voyages" CD. Yes, as Crane Driver says, I sing this as a forebitter rather than the shanty version and therefore much slower - and longer!! I sang it on the Motley Crew tape "Sea and Coal" produced in 1990. Dave R. |
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26 Apr 14 - 06:50 AM (#3622404) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian another version: Liverpool Packet sung by Loc Tup |
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26 Apr 14 - 07:52 AM (#3622412) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian Lyrics transcribed from video -subject to confirmation, And if anyone can fill in the question marks....... Liverpool Packet -- Loc Tup Together ????????????????????????????????????? I saw a flash packet, bound westward away She was bound for the westward where the wild waters flow She's a Liverpool packet, oh lord let her go CHO: Bound away oh, bound away oh Through the ice, sleet and snow. She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go. And now we re leaving the sweet salthouse dock All the boys and the girls to the pierhead do flock All the boys and the girls they all shout or roar She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go. And now we are waiting in the Mersey so free Awaiting the tug for to take us to sea Then we'll round the rock light, where the salt tides do blow She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go. She ??????? main topsail ??????? jib sheet She ??????? fore and aft boys you'll get no damn sleep Come out boys God damn yers, come out one and all For over your head lies a bonny black ball And now we are sailing the Atlantic so wide That the hands are all ordered to scrub the ship's side Then he told his ???????????????????????? For kicking Jack Williams, commands this Black Ball And now we are arriving in old New York town And we'll head for the bowery and let sorrows drown With the girls and the beer boys, we'll let the salts blow She's a Liverpool packet, Oh Lord, let her go. |
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03 May 14 - 07:26 AM (#3623769) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,Jim in Kerry I got these words from a song book printed in 1963 entitled " Twenty Sea Shanties " . At the Liverpool Docks at the break o' the day, I saw a flash packet bound west'ard away, She was bound to the west'ard where the wild waters flow, She's a Liverpool packet, oh, Lord let 'er go ! Chorus Bound a-way! Bound a-way! Thro' the ice sleet and snow, She's a Liverpool packet, oh, Lord let 'er go ! Oh, the time of her sailin' is now drawin' nigh, Stand by all ye lubbers we'll wish ye goodbye; A pair of clean heels to ye now we will show, She's a Liverpool packet , oh, Lord let 'er go! Chorus An' now we are leavin' the sweet Salthouse Docks, All the boys an' the gals on the pierhead do flock; All the boys an' the gals are all shoutin' hurro ! She's a etc. Chorus An' now we are waitin' in the Mersey so free, Awaitin' the tugboat to tow us to sea; An' we'll round the Rock Light where the salt tides do flow She's a etc. Chorus An' now we are howlin' down the wild Irish Sea, Our passengers are merry, their hearts full of glee; Our sailors like tigers they pace to an' fro. She's a .... Chorus An' now we are off the banks of Newf'n'land, Where the bottom's all fishes an' fine yeller sand; An' the fishes they sing as they swim to an' fro. She's a ..... Chorus An' now we're arrivin' in old New York town, We're bound for the Bowery an' let sorrow drown; With our gals an' our beer, boys, oh, let the song flow. She's a ..... Chorus Last time. ............oh Lord let them go. |
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03 May 14 - 08:59 PM (#3623853) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,eldergirl I think it was Four n Aft who sang this at Ellesmere Port 3 yrs back (crikey it's that long since we were there!) And a mighty fine version it was too. Not as well known as it deserves to be? And I think Hughie Jones sings it to the same tune as La Pique. |
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04 May 14 - 06:18 AM (#3623919) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian two versions, good! Got the first line at least. Loc Tup Together are 50% of Four and Aft. " Twenty Sea Shanties " was edited by John Clements. |
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04 May 14 - 07:03 AM (#3623926) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian Margaret Christl. Liverpool Packet is on her cassette "Fall and Timbre" 1990. Bet someone has the tape at the back of a dusty ole neglected cupboard! |
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04 May 14 - 07:56 AM (#3623935) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian STORMY WEATHER SHANTY CHOIR version: Liverpool Packet At the Liverpool docks at the break of the day I saw a flash packet bound westward away She was bound for the westward, where the wild waters flow She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Ref: She's a Liverpool packet Oh, Lord let her go! Bound away – ho! – Bound away – ho! Through the ice, sleet and snow She's a Liverpool packet, oh lord let her go Oh the time of her sailing is now drawing nigh Stand by all you lovers we'll wish you goodbye With a pair of clean heels to you now we will show She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let 'er go Refreng And now we're a-leavin' the sweet salthouse docks All the boy and the girls on the pierhead do flock All the boy and the girls are shouting hurrah She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng And now we're a-waiting in the Mersey so free A-waiting the tugboat to tow us to sea And we'll round the Rock Light where the salt tides do flow She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng Oh now she's home you're big topsails hold out you deep seas Oh she's home for the night boys you'll get no damn sleep Come aft now god damn yours, come aft make a show She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng And now we're a-sailin' down the wild Irish Sea Our passengers are merry, and their hearts full of glee Our sailors like tigers they walk to and fro She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng And now we're a-sailin' the Atlantic so wide And the hands are now ordered to scrub the ship's side Now then, holystone boyos, ther bosun do blow She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng And now we are off the banks of Newfoundland Where the bottom all fishes and fine yello' sand And the fishes they sing as they swim to and fro She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng And now we're arriving in old New York town We're bound for the Bowery, and let sorrows drown With our gals and our beer, me boys, we'll let the song flow She's a Liverpool packet – Oh, Lord let her go Refreng Stormy Weather Shanty Choir--Liverpool Packet lyrics |
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04 May 14 - 08:04 AM (#3623938) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian Mia culpa. Apologies, no "y" on end of Storm. |
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04 May 14 - 08:08 AM (#3623939) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian doh! can't even spell "mea" rite/write/right/wright |
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17 May 14 - 12:18 PM (#3626589) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian Liverpool Packet was composed by Stan Kelly-Bootle. It was released on TOPIC TOP27 "Songs About Liverpool" in 1958 Stan Kelly bradfordian |
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17 May 14 - 07:05 PM (#3626667) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,eldergirl Did Stan Kelly write the tune? Cos the lyric is in Stan Hugill's shanties of the 7 seas, think the words are rather older than Stan Kelly.. If the tune as sung by loc tup together is the Stan Kelly one, all I can say is Well Done Stan. Cracking good tune! |
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17 May 14 - 08:10 PM (#3626678) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Joe_F It seems curious that the original poster specified that the song she was looking for was "not 'The Dreadnaught'", and yet the first suggested text was so called, and even the suggestions not so called have in common with it the refrain "...O Lord, let her go!" At any rate, FWIW, a version is quoted in Kipling's _Captains Courageous_ (1896): ...With his eyes fixed on the beams above, Disko began this ancient, ancient ditty, Tom Platt flourishing all round him to make the tune and words fit a little: "There is a crack packet -- crack packet o' fame, She hails from Noo York, an' the _Dreadnought_'s her name. You may talk o' your fliers -- Swallow-tail and Black Ball -- But the Dreadnought's the packet that can beat them all. "Now the Dreadnought she lies in the River Mersey, Because of the tug-boat to take her to sea; But when she's off soundings you shortly will know (Chorus.) She's the Liverpool packet -- O Lord, let her go! "Now the Dreadnought she's howlin' crost the Banks o' Newfoundland, Where the water's all shallow and the bottom's all sand. Sez all the little fishes that swim to and fro: (Chorus.) 'She's the Liverpool packet -- O Lord, let her go!'" There were scores of verses, for he worked the Dreadnought every mile of the way between Liverpool and New York as conscientiously as though he were on her deck, and the accordion pumped and the fiddle squeaked beside him.... |
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19 May 14 - 05:37 AM (#3626973) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,eldergirl Jim in Kerry had the right lyrics, missing a verse or 2 tho, have just checked with Stan the Shanty Man's 7 seas. Kipling was earlier than Stan Kelly so think we can safely say S.K. did not compose it. Dreadnaught, the Flash Packet/La Pique, and Liverpool Packet seem to be closely related, the 3 tunes more or less interchangeable, and verse content similar. Verse 5 as sung by Storm Weather is way off beam! Should a shantychoir not know what they're singing about? V.5; Sheet home yet big tops'ls, haul aft yer jib sheets Sheet home fore'n aft boys, you'll get no damn sleep; Come aft now, god damn yers, come aft one and all, For over your heads flies the bonny Black Ball. (As in the Black Ball Line, of which I know not a lot..) V.7; An now we are sailin' the Atlantic so wide, An the hands are now ordered to scrub the ship's side; Now then,holystones boyos, the bosun do bawl, For Kickin' Jack Williams commands this Black Ball. Reckon he was a tough skipper? I must look him up! Does this help? 'She's home, you're big topsails? Hold out you big seas?? Yeesh. More research, I reckon. X el |
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19 May 14 - 09:03 PM (#3627251) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: bradfordian Just to clarify. Stan Kelly is a false lead. TOP27 is a 1958 EP entitled "Liverpool Packet" but this song is not included on the disc. A number examples of this song are around,each with different odd verses missing (as eldergirl noted) eg by Loc Tup Together, Riggy Rackin, Storm Weather Shanty Choir Margaret Crystl. |
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20 May 14 - 06:28 AM (#3627340) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: GUEST,eldergirl on another computer oh, blasted spell checker again, that should have said Sheet up YER big topsails.. I take it for granted that it understands what I mean to say. always a mistake with technology. sorry guys |
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17 Aug 19 - 07:32 PM (#4004903) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Lighter Oregonian (Portland) (May 13, 1917), p. 71: "The Dreadnought"...is a chantey composed 60 years ago, which has since become classic among seafaring men, and which has received additional stanzas until the original has been spun out into hundreds of verses. ... Captain W. H. Hardy, of Portland, the sole survivor of the Perry expedition to Japan, lays claim to the composition of the original chantey of the Dreadnought. "I wrote it when I was third mate of the Dreadnought, and it was suggested to me by Mr. Whitehorn, the fourth mate," says Captain Hardy. "I wrote it on March 20, 1857, whilst on passage from Liverpool to New York." The version of the famous old chantey, as sent in by Captain Hardy, follows. THE DREADNOUGHT It's of a flash packet, A packet of fame, She sails to the westward And the Dreadnought's her name, She sails to the westward, Where stormy winds blow, Bound away in the Dreadnought To the westward we'll go. It's now we are lying In the River Mersey, Waiting for the Constitution to tow us to sea. She'll tow us round that black rock Where the tides ebb and flow, Bound away in the Dreadnought To the westward we'll go. It's now we are sailing Down the wild Irish shore, With the passengers all sick And our sailors all sore; While the gulls in our wake Fly around to and fro, Bound away in the Dreadnought To the westward we'll go. It's now we are sailing The ocean so wide, Where the dark and deep waters Dash by our sides, While our sailors aloft Like the lightning do go, Bound away in the Dreadnought To the westward we'll go. neatly spread and the Red Cross to show, She’s the Liverpool packet, Good God, let ‘er go! It's now we are sailing On the banks of Newfoundland, Where the water is deep And the bottom is sand. While the fish of the ocean Swim around to and fro Bound away in the Dreadnought To the westward we go. It's now we are sailing Down the Long Island shore, Where the pilot he boards us As oft times before; Saying: “Fill away your maintopsail, Board your main tack also; She's a Liverpool packet, Brave lads! Let her go!" And now to conclude And to finish my song, In what I have said I hope there's no wrong; For the song was composed When my watch went below; Bound away in the Dreadnought To the westward we'll go. It's now we're sailing the Hudson And New York will soon appear; It's there we'll have the Dreadnought When she's moored to her pier. So here's health to Captain Samuels! Here's health to his crew! Here's health to the Dreadnought! Let us bid her adieu! |
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17 Aug 19 - 08:15 PM (#4004905) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: RTim Sorry - The Dreadnought - although a great song - IS NOT a Shanty/Chantey however way you spell it!!! Tim Radford |
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18 Aug 19 - 08:26 AM (#4004949) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Steve Gardham Hi Tim Jon was just repeating what Hardy had sent in in 1917. He may be using the word loosely and he may have heard it used occasionally as a chantey, as designated so at times by Hugill. It does have much more the quality of a forebitter but occasionally forebitters were used at the capstan. |
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18 Aug 19 - 09:32 AM (#4004960) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Lighter Actually, Steve, it's the anonymous newspaper columnist, not Captain Hardy, who called it a "chantey." The words of the "Dreadnought" were eventually used as solos in "Goodbye, Fare You Well." |
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18 Aug 19 - 01:00 PM (#4004980) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: RTim Sorry Lighter - I didn't notice until after I posted that you had copied in an old text. Calling all sea songs Chanties, etc.. is a particular red flag to me - but I should have read the post better than I did..... Tim Radford |
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18 Aug 19 - 04:38 PM (#4005013) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Lighter Bugs me too. Among the general public, I fear it's long been the rule, not the exception. |
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19 Aug 19 - 09:03 PM (#4005165) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Lighter C. Fox Smith, Sailor Town Days (1923): "['The Dreadnought'] goes to one of those regular, droning ‘come-all-ye’ tunes that the old-time shellback loved to sing – very much through his nose, through an interminable succession of verses, varied according to the individual singer’s fancy, with grace notes and quavers and ‘twiddley bits’ to taste.” |
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15 Sep 19 - 07:55 PM (#4009005) Subject: RE: Liverpool Packet From: Lighter In the English magazine "Good Words" (June, 1900), the minor poet, novelist, and dramatist J. E. Patterson (1866-1919) presented a stanza of this song in the form of a chantey - though with a thoroughly implausible chorus thrown into the midst of it: ‘Tis of a flash packet of bully-boy fame, She sails from the Mersey and the Dreadnought’s her name. (Chorus:) Bound away, bound away! She sails from the Mersey where the broad waters flow; Then away to the west’ard, O God, let her go! Bound away, bound away, where the stormy winds blow, She’s a Liverpool packet, O God, let her go! Patterson's later "Sea's Anthology" (1913) adds additional stanzas in a similar idiosyncratic form, with extra "Bound aways" and indicated choruses: THE FLASH PACKET. (capstan.) 'Tis of a flash packet of bully-boy fame— Bound away! Bound away! She sails from the Mersey, and the Dreadnought's her name— Bound away! Bound away! She sails from the Mersey where the broad waters flow; She's a Liverpool packet, O God, let her go! Bound away! Bound away, where the stormy winds blow! She's a Liverpool packet, O God, let her go! O it's now we are leaving the Waterloo dock— Bound away! Bound away! Where the girls and the boys on the pier-head do flock— Bound away! Bound away! They give three loud cheers, while the tears down do flow; Then away in the Dreadnought, O God, let us go! Bound away! Bound away, while the wages are low! She's a Liverpool packet, to the west'ard we go! And when we go sailing up Long Island Sound— Bound away! Bound away! With flags all a-flying and shore boats around— Bound away! Bound away! Then the bands striking up, "Yankee Doodle " will flow, All to welcome the Dreadnought—O God, let us go! Bound away! Bound away, through gale, hail and snow! She's a Liverpool packet, O God, let her go! It would be nice to think that the final stanza, with an adjustment or two, is essentially authentic, but I haven't found it elsewhere. Patterson gives several familiar chanteys with similarly enhanced choruses and others without. he claims that all "are printed here as I wrote them down from the chantey-men at sea." Indeed, "'Santa Ana,' 'The Flash Packet,' and 'Rolling Home'...were taken down from the mouths of Bristolian seamen while on an East Indian voyage in a sailing-ship....The best chantey-man I ever heard was a native of the Seychelles, who went by the name of Allan Robin." |