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06 Feb 03 - 06:51 AM (#883860) Subject: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,Deborah Hooper Does any one know the origins and history of this song? Is it American, or did it come to the US from the UK? When was it first sung in the US? |
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06 Feb 03 - 08:16 AM (#883912) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Trevor You mean Andy Pandy may not have been the first?! |
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06 Feb 03 - 10:36 AM (#883998) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: charlie mudslinger are we talking here we go loop de loop if so see below Chris Shake a Tail Feather Written by - Verlie Rice, Otis Hayes & Andre Williams Well I heard about the girl You've been dancing with All over the neighborhood Tell me why didn't you ask me baby? Or didn't you think I could? Well I know that your partner will never step aside I've seen you do the Jerk all night Why didn't you ask me baby? I would have shown you how to do it right Do it right, do it right, do it right Do it right, do it right, do it right, do it right Ahhhh! Twist it Shake it, shake it, shake it baby Here we go loop de loop Shake it up baby Here we go loop de la Bend over and let me see you shake a tail feather Bend over and let me see you shake a tail feather Bend over and let me see you shake a tail feather Bend over and let me see you shake a tail feather Well, you bend over and let me see you shake a tail feather Well, you bend over and let me see you shake a tail feather All right Repeat |
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06 Feb 03 - 10:52 AM (#884007) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Declan I knew we'd had this one before. A previous thread here |
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06 Feb 03 - 11:40 AM (#884053) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST Thanks for all of this. In fact, I am trying to establish the origins of the song BEFORE it was used in Andy Pandy. It is certainly known in the US (is listed in various places as a traditional folk song) but I wondered if it had come to the UK from there, or vice versa. All ideas welcomed! |
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06 Feb 03 - 11:55 AM (#884066) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Malcolm Douglas The final message in the previous thread was from Bruce Olson, and contained information which you will want to follow up. There is also a Scottish text (published 1847) in the DT, with useful notes: HINKUMBOOBY |
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06 Feb 03 - 09:16 PM (#884426) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: masato sakurai Origins seem to be complicated. See the Opies' The Singing Game (Oxford, 1985, pp. 391-398, s.v. Okey Kokey). ~Masato |
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07 Feb 03 - 08:14 AM (#884692) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,Deborah Thanks to you both, Malcolm and Masato, for pointing me in the right direction. Have ordered the Opie book from Amazon... |
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07 Feb 03 - 03:47 PM (#884988) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Shonagh I always sang here we go loopy lou.... Lou must have seemed crazy to me somehow! |
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07 Feb 03 - 05:16 PM (#885041) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Sorcha This is not "Here we go looby lou, here we go looby, (something somehting) all on a Saturday night"? |
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07 Feb 03 - 06:46 PM (#885100) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Malcolm Douglas That's the one. |
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08 Feb 03 - 08:40 AM (#885430) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Chip2447 We always sang it as the chorus to the hokey pokey, I.E.; You ut you left foot in, you take your left foot out. You put you left foot in and you shake it all about. You do the hokey pokey, and you turn yourself around. thats what its all about. Here we go loopty loo, here we go loopty lye. here wr go loopty loooooo. All on a saturday night. Chip2447 |
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08 Feb 03 - 10:38 AM (#885469) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: vindelis EH? You must use a different tune for the Hokey Cokey Verse. The tune I know to Looby Lou has a diffent tempo to that of the tune for the Hokey Cokey, and the two would not 'gel'. But that is what evolution in folk music is all about. |
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08 Feb 03 - 10:52 AM (#885482) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: DMcG I have a version of this on a 45rpm sung in pop fashion by Frankie Vaughan. It is ... well .... different |
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28 Jan 10 - 03:39 PM (#2823815) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,Meadowmuskrat I think it was a hit song recorded by Johnny Thunder some time in the 50's or early 60's. I saw him perform it at the late lamented Champagne Towers in Lodi NJ where I worked parking cars when in High school. About 1966. |
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28 Jan 10 - 11:39 PM (#2824195) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: MGM·Lion The words of the Hokey Cokey are generally ascribed to the great lyricist Jimmy Kennedy [1902-1984], who wrote words of such all-time greats as Red Sails in the Sunset, South of the Border, Hang Out the Washing on the Siegfried Line, Teddy Bears Picnic, & dozens more [see Wiki]. But in case of Hokey Cokey, less original than usual, as they are pretty well identical to verses of subject of this thread. Whether orig UK or US I offer no opinions; but can definitely take it right back to my pre-WWii London childhood. We would often do it as a round dance at Woodstock School, Golders Green, N London, which I attended aged 5-7, 1937-39. Standing in a circle holding hands, we would progress in & out line-by-line singing the chorus Here we go Looby-Loo Here we go Looby-Light Here we go Looby-Loo Upon a Saturday night. Then, breaking hold with appropriate actions You put your right hand in You put your right hand out You put your right hand in And shake it all about Rejoin hands for chorus, & then etc. I am absolutely confident of accuracy of these recollections and the dates I have given. |
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31 Mar 10 - 03:41 PM (#2876750) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST loubylu sounds like Я люблю (I love) Yaa lyoo-beel-you. I think it is therefore a Russian song. |
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31 Mar 10 - 05:00 PM (#2876803) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Steve Gardham Can't find references off hand but the line of descent is I think The Continent(probably France)to Britain and then to America. Jimmy Kennedy did indeed crystallise the version of the Hokey Cokey now widely used. I have the original sheet music, but I believe it was already in use in Canada before the war. As it is so different to Lubin Lou in metre and tune it could have developed from another continental strain of Lubin Lou, in which case probably a French variant. |
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31 Mar 10 - 05:26 PM (#2876840) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: EBarnacle I recall it as a playground game. We sang it as Loopdy Lou, etc. Don't have any recall of seeing in on TV in my formative years. |
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01 Apr 10 - 11:37 AM (#2877418) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,John J That's because you're so young! I remember it from the late 1950s - early 1960s. JJ |
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01 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM (#2877445) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: EBarnacle I learnt it in the early 50's on the streets of Hoboken. |
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07 Aug 11 - 01:35 AM (#3203099) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: MGM·Lion "Late 50s - early 60s"; "Hoboken early 50s" ~~ my recollections above, 28 Jan 10, take Looby Loo back to late 1930s Golders Green, N London, well before either Frankie Vaughan [DMcG, 8 Feb 03] or Andy Pandy {whose girlfriend, I take it, was named from his scriptwriter's recollection of the song}. Neither this thread nor the one linked above by Declan, 6 Feb 03, goes back further than that. {The related, in actions tho not tune, Hokey Cokey, goes only back in popularity to Kennedy's 1940s reworking, tho Wiki article "Hokey Cokey" relates its origins to a Shaker song of the 1850s & says Kennedy got the idea from some Canadian servicemen.} Can anyone take a personal recollection of Looby Loo any further back than mine? ~Michael~ |
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14 Nov 11 - 03:29 PM (#3256984) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST I grew up in the north of england in the 60's and I recall the phrase 'youre going loopy' meant you're going crazy. I think it's play on the french word for wolf (Loup)and Loupe de garou (sp?) meant a werewolf. I was always told to be careful of 'loopy people' especially near a full moon. BUT the actions of the song are similar to Hokey Pokey AND I believe both of them are talking about 'St Vitus Dance' or what we today know as Parkinson Disease. My Grandad told me that HIS mother had said the song couldve started after soldiers affected by mustard gas in WWI couldnt control their limbs and they would shake. |
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15 Nov 11 - 12:11 PM (#3257526) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Paul Davenport Any connection to 'Saturday Night' as sung by Celia Costello? The tune and rhythms are similar and of course the 'Saturday Night' line. Just a thought. |
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15 Nov 11 - 12:35 PM (#3257559) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: MGM·Lion Acc to Partridge's Slang Dictionary, "loopy" for mildly mad derives from "looby", meaning an idiot since C14. I cannot feel that the game derives from such an association: particularly not a connection to loup-garou; and I find the suggestion that St Vitus Dance or mustard gas would have had an influence an example of that determination to find a rational irrationality to explain every folkloric manifestation [cf Ring-a-Roses and the Plague!] ~~ an example of the phenomenon the late Peter Opie once described to me in an interview as a determination to create "folklore about folklore". ~M~ |
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24 Feb 14 - 05:05 PM (#3604497) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,Caroline Apparently first printed in Halliwell's 'Popular Music of England', 1898. I haven't checked this source. |
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24 Feb 14 - 06:56 PM (#3604535) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Q (Frank Staplin) This seems to go round and round, two threads. There are many variations, including the 'Hokey Pokey' variations. It first appeared in Popular Rhymes, J. O. Halliwell, 1849, p. 129. "Now we dance looby, looby, looby, Now we dance looby, looby, light. Shake your right hand a little, And turn you round about." Quoting from the Opies, pp. 396-398, "the actions accumulate until the last verse, the dancers shake their right hands, left hands, right feet, left feet, and heads." Manchester, 1870- Here we dance Lubin, Lubin, Here we dance Lubin light, etc. From Boston, c. 1820- Put your right elbow in, Put your right elbow out, Shake yourselves a little, And turn yourselves about; followed by left elbow, ears and feet. In Cincinnati, 1908- Let us dance, Luby, Luby, Let us dance Luby light, Let us dance Luby, Luby, All on a Saturday (or whatever) night. "A 'looby' is a clumsy, stupid fellow; Lubin is a generic name for a country bumpkin." Iona and Peter Opie, 1985, "The Singing Game," Oxford University Press. |
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24 Feb 14 - 07:12 PM (#3604539) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Q (Frank Staplin) More from the Opies, p. 394- "It would seem likely, for the dance was known at least as early as 1745, when it was used as the basis for a political song "In and Out and Turn About: A new C-----t Dance. To the tune of John Bob'd In and John Bob'd Out, or...." The song sheet is headed One TOOL In, The Other TOOL Out, And so they DANCE LOOBY round about. he 11th verse... Mhe Pl-m-s cut clean (B---h danc'd so high, He soon tumbl'd down, With one Foor In, And the other Foot out, But yet he hops Looby round about &c. In France the song is "La Mistenlaire... Also in Germany, etc. |
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25 Feb 14 - 04:09 AM (#3604614) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,Patsy As I remembered as a child Looby Loo could only come out to dance to Here we go Looby Loo in secret when Andy Pandy and Teddy were elsewhere. Other than that I recall that she had to stay silent! I was only 4 at the time but it is surprising how damaging that was to a small girl. That is the reason why I enjoyed having a crafty listen to Frankie Vaughan's version which was around about the same time. |
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28 May 17 - 03:55 AM (#3857503) Subject: Looby Loo from loup garou? (re replies 14/1) From: GUEST,Annemieke I am not interested in folksongs, nor in their history. I only looked at this forum because I had to play Looby Loo on my accordion and, having heard the song before, wondered where it came from. Now I am Dutch, and as such more versed in strange countries like France than you Brits. And I have always associated Looby Loo with the French 'loup' and 'loup garou'. So in my feelings the connection is not so far fetched, MGM-Lion! |
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28 May 17 - 10:25 AM (#3857551) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Steve Gardham You perhaps ought to read the rest of the thread, Annemieke, particularly Q's posts. |
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28 May 17 - 01:37 PM (#3857591) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: SPB-Cooperator The scripts and music for the Andy Pandy series were credited to Freda Lingstrom and Maria Bird respectively. They also were instrumental inthe setting up of children's television through a production company Westerham Arts, based at Chartwell Cottage, now a National Trust property. I visit to Chartwell might reveal some references to the version used in the show. |
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29 May 17 - 02:32 AM (#3857649) Subject: ADDPOP: Loop de Loop From: Joe Offer I'm not sure I feel good hearing this song referred to as a children's song. This was a seminal song in my young adulthood. I suppose I heard it most often in the 1963 recording called "Loop de Loop" by Johnny Thunder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mTX2om49EE. It was also recorded by Frankie Vaughan in 1963. LOOP DE LOOP (Freddie Hart & Ann Lucas) [Frankie Vaughan version] Are you ready? (yea, yeah) Well, let's go! (yea, yeah) Woo Here we go loop de loop A-here we go loop de lie A-here we go loop de loop On (yea, yeah) a Saturday night (loop de loop, loop de loop) Oh, we're havin' a party (yea, yeah) Everybody's havin' a great, great time (yea, yeah) All the gang's here and a-dancin', yeah I'm a-loopin' with a baby of mine Hear me now! Here we go loop de loop A-here we go loop de lie Here we go loop de loop On (yea, yeah) a Saturday night (loop de loop, loop de loop) Darlin', are you ready (yea, yeah) To loop, a loop, a loop with me? (yea, yeah) Start right there! Just wait a minute until I count to three: "1-2-3" (Here we go loop de loop) Loop de loop de loop (Here we go loop loop de lie) Loop, loop, loop de lie (Here we go loop de loop) Yeah, on a Saturday night Now, let's hear the girls. (Here we go loop de loop) Loop de loop de loop (Here we go loop loop de lie) Loop, loop, loop de lie (Here we go loop de loop) Yeah, on a Saturday night Now, the fellas. Come on, boys! (Here we go loop de loop) Loop de loop de loop (Here we go loop, loop de lie) Loop, loop, loop de lie (Here we go loop de loop) Yeah, on a Saturday night (yea, yeah) One more time, now! (Here we go loop de loop) Yeah. (Here we go loop de lie) Yeah. (Here we go loop de loop) M-mm. On (yea, yeah) a Saturday night (yea, yeah) On (yea, yeah) a Saturday night (yea, yeah) On (yea, yeah) a Saturday night (loop de loop, loop de loop, loop de loop, loop de loop) Yea, yeah. Source: http://www.song-database.com/song.php?sid=43500 Frankie Vaughan recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJL7FJtozm4 Harry Nilsson Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuDiYXuYveE And a Hokey-Pokey children's version: https://vimeo.com/79305666 And since this is a folk music forum, here's Pete Seeger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvVmyOHAFE I still like Johnny Thunder best. -Joe- |
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29 May 17 - 03:22 AM (#3857654) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: here we go loopy loo From: BobL Stirred up from the sluggish pits of my memory comes a recollection of an instrumental recording under the title "Sally the Satellite", presumably released in 1958 or thereabouts. Must be the Ron Goodwin version. |
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30 May 17 - 03:07 PM (#3857924) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Annemieke Re my stubborn insistence that Looby Loo is connected with a French werewolf: I found a link, deeply hidden the recesses of a well-known search engine: www.collagemama.com/2008/02/werewolf-bath-maneuvers.html?m=1 Good enough for me .... |
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30 May 17 - 09:45 PM (#3857989) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Joe Offer I dunno, Annemieke, I still think it has to do with taking a bath on a Saturday night. Remember when baths were once a week, whether you needed one or not? And all five Offer siblings used the same tub of water. I tried to get in first, because I suspected my brother of peeing.... -Joe- |
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12 Jun 17 - 04:24 AM (#3860414) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Annemieke Pee is good for your skin. xA |
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12 Jun 17 - 03:05 PM (#3860523) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Steve Gardham Hardly an authoritative source, Annemieke. Check out your own country's 'De Zevensprong' which is the Dutch version. It is well-known in France, Germany and Holland as well as English-speaking countries. The Opies (The Singing Game) trace British versions at least as far back as 1745, and conjecture it is much older. In their lengthy authoritative article p391-8 they make no mention of werewolves. |
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11 Dec 20 - 06:56 PM (#4083020) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST I agree with Stve Gardham, only I played it as a party game. It's almost as if the Hokey Pokey and Loobdy Loo are combined. The fact that I heard Odetta sing it and combine it with Rock Island Line makes me wonder if it were ever an American Folk song of some sort. |
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12 Dec 20 - 09:12 AM (#4083094) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Mo the caller And there's even a version of the game to the tune Lily Bolero. http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Hinkumbooby.htm I remember Looby Loo from my 50s London childhood, but I don't think it was a spontaneous playground game |
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12 Dec 20 - 02:44 PM (#4083145) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Steve Gardham 'playground game' More of a party game than a playground game, but traditional ne'ertheless. There must surely be American versions, it was so widespread, and the Hokey Cokey variant came from Canada. |
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12 Dec 20 - 03:18 PM (#4083147) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST,Hootenanny For what it's worth I heard it from the farming family that we were living with when we were evacuated to Norfolk close to the border with Suffolk in the 1940s. They used to sing it at week-end parties in the Parish Hall at Brome Street and at Mellish. |
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12 Dec 20 - 03:37 PM (#4083149) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: GUEST ' HISTORICAL BACKGROUND “Here We Go Looby Loo” is a singing game which first appeared in print in 1898 Halliwell’s Popular Rhymes of England. A similar version of the game, called “Lubin,” was played in Scotland and Ireland. The game became popular in America and has evolved into another game with the same actions called “The Hokey Pokey.” It has a Roud Folk Song Index number of 5032. ' from http://www.musicexpressmagazine.com/bin/FolkSongPartnersMA.pdf |
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12 Dec 20 - 06:14 PM (#4083170) Subject: RE: Origins: Here we go Looby Loo From: Steve Gardham Halliwell's PRE is 1849, but the Opies take it back in England to 1745 and opine that it is much older with earlier references around Europe, France, Germany etc. |