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11 Feb 03 - 06:02 AM (#887480) Subject: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: IanC Un Autre Alphabet Quiz! Here's another complete alphabet, entirely made up of songs (all but one, I think, are in the DT). Answers, as usual, on the forum. A – Whilst perambulating one morning in May, he wishes the Queen would recall the troops. B - North London official's daughter waits 7 years before travelling in search of her beau. C - Malicious sibling causes a tragedy in Berkshire. D - Mythical animal with too much of everything. E - They're the best, because the rest's not worth twopence (or so they think). F - In search of agrarian employment, the lad'll do whatever's required. G - He went to Brighton. She didn't. Now he's missing her. H - "Praise the lord", Al Jolson sang, "Begging is the life for me!" I - Being the couple in the pretty ring time ... however the old bard prefers. J - An ideal accompaniment for a tidy fire and a small apple. K - Old campaigner lives happily on his pension, though you'd probably say he's badly damaged. L - A tall antihero leaves blood everywhere, though it's his woman who burns. M - Oh dear! He's like Dorothy's lion. N – Caught on the way to the theatre with his wife, he admits to having a wild and wicked youth. O - Subtractive song of seduction ends at the beginning, with ejaculation. P - Hell on earth, or at least Australia. Even the blacksmith's sober. Q - Jack's bought a basket of eggs, now he has to christen it. R - Song extolling the virtues of Irish stew, sex and (at least in the DT) prison. S - Straying in search of his scattered charges, he won't come home without a pretty girl. T – He's the hammer man, whilst the boy has another job… more a mover than a shaker. U - Weep for this garden implement, and bury it if you will. V - The artist is neither legless nor armless, but suffers in common with Mark Anthony. W - Norfolk fisherman's song, popularised by "The Dubliners". X - A fine summer's day for a fight, though Napoleon may not have thought so. Y - Liverpool folk song, by Rogers and Hammerstein! Z - Western ballad in which it is demonstrated that education need not be a disadvantage. If you do as well as for the previous quizzes, it should take about 3 - 5 hours or so, though I've noticed that there's less activity on Mudcat these days. . Collaboration is strongly encouraged and comments about songs, tunes, writers, performers (or anything else) are very welcome. Good luck. Ian |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:09 AM (#887484) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Nigel Parsons F:To be a farmer's boy H:Hallelujah, I'm a bum I: It was a lover and his lass J:Jug of punch P:Pub with no beer Y:You'll never walk alone |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:31 AM (#887494) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG A: As I roved out (one of many!) O: O, Sir Jasper C: Cruel Sister S; Shepherd, O Shepherd |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:35 AM (#887495) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford B- Bailifs daughter of Islington? |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:35 AM (#887496) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG E: The English G: Girl I left behind me |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:37 AM (#887498) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG K:Kerry Recruit |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:37 AM (#887499) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford G=Girl I Left Behind Me. Thanks for creating theses quizes! Keith. |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:39 AM (#887500) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG M: My Husband (who's got no courage in him) I'm posting all these as I think of them!) |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:40 AM (#887501) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG Q: Quare Bungle Rye |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:45 AM (#887503) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford T Twanky Dillo U Unfortunate Rake |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:45 AM (#887504) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG L: Lamkin (Long Lankin and various other spellings) |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:47 AM (#887505) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: GUEST,Martin Ryan N : Newry/Newlynn Highwayman |
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11 Feb 03 - 06:57 AM (#887511) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG Starting to guess, now ... H: Hallelujah I'm a Bum? |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:00 AM (#887513) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford R Roll The Old Chariot Along |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:06 AM (#887514) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG V: Vincent (starry, starry night) |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:21 AM (#887516) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: GUEST,Martin Ryan I hope W is not: Wild Rover!! Regards |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:21 AM (#887517) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford Zeb Tourney's Girl. Ok, I had to use the browser. |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:25 AM (#887522) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford W Of course! The Wild Rover |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:26 AM (#887524) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG I didn't know Zeb Tourney, so I've just used the browser to look at it .. but Zebra Dunn looks a better fit (I didn't know that either!) I've closed it now ... no cheating (yet!) |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:29 AM (#887525) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Declan X is XVIII (18th) Day of June (1815) date of the battle on the PLAINS OF WATERLOO. P is the Pub with no beer. J - Jug of Punch ? |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:32 AM (#887530) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG Sorry, Nigel, I missed you had 'H' in the first post. I *think* we are down to D! That must be a dragon, surely, but I can't think of a suitable song. Time for a summary, IanC? |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:51 AM (#887544) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: GUEST,Martin Ryan ...or a "DRAGOON"! Regards |
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11 Feb 03 - 07:55 AM (#887551) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: GUEST,Hilary,not logged in D - The Darby Ram Z - Zebra Dun Great fun, thank you ! |
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11 Feb 03 - 08:05 AM (#887557) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Great stuff, IanC! I take it the Norfolk connection to Wild Rover is Sam Larner. What I don't remember is whether he used the now-standard tune - or the older, more melancholy one? Regards |
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11 Feb 03 - 08:07 AM (#887560) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Declan Thanks Ian. We now have answers to all the questions. But are they all correct ? |
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11 Feb 03 - 08:12 AM (#887563) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: IanC Oh! ... my earlier post (with all but D and Z) went AWOL ... don't know what happened. Yes, they seem to be all correct now ... well done all! Here's the list. A - As I Roved Out (On A Bright May Morning). B - The Bailiff's Daughter of Islington. C - The Cruel Sister. D - The Derby Ram. E - The English. F - The Farmer's Boy. G - Girl I Left Behind Me H - Hallelujah, I'm A Bum I - It Was A Lover And His Lass J - Jug Of Punch K - The Kerry Recruit L - Long Lankin (Lambkin) M - My Husband's Got No Courage In Him N - The Newry Highwayman O - Oh, Sir Jasper P - The Pub With No Beer Q - Quare Bungle Rye R - Roll The Old Chariot Along S - Shepherd's Wife (Shepherd O Shepherd, Sheep Are All In The Wilderness) T - Twankydillo U - The Unfortunate Rake V - Van Gogh W - Wild Rover X - The Eighteenth Day of June (Plains of Waterloo). Y - You'll Never Walk Alone Z - The Zebra Dun I didn't know The Zebra Dun either, though it's a good song. I'm getting a bit short of Zs though! Time for a few notes ... :-) |
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11 Feb 03 - 08:31 AM (#887573) Subject: LyrAdd: PUNCE DZBAN (Czech: 'Jug of Punch') From: IanC Time - 1hr53mins ... a record, I think. I must be making them too easy. Martin ... the answer's yes of course. The Dubliners used Sam Larner's version (taken from This Singing Island for their single. Here's something I came across whilst doing the research for this quiz. It's a version of "Jug of Punch" in Czech, which I rather like. Can anybody correct the spelling? PUNCE DZBAN :-) |
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11 Feb 03 - 11:57 AM (#887737) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: IanC A few more notes. Bailiff's Daughter This appears in Ritson (1783) though it is earlier. From Morley "A Bundle of Ballads": "The Bailiff's Daughter of Islington," or "True Love Requited," is a ballad in Pepys's collection, now in the Bodleian. The Islington of the Ballad is supposed to be an Islington in Norfolk. Suggesting that my clue is a bit of a red herring really (I'd always wondered why it took her 7 years to travel from Islington to London (a distance of about a mile). Cruel Sister (Berkshire Tragedy) There's a site about the song here. Lesley's Contemplator site says: This ballad is also known as Binorrie. This version is, of course, from Berkshire. There is a similar version from Lancashire. The earliest known version of the ballad The Miller and the King's Daughter appeared on a broadside in 1656. This ballad is not related to The Berkshire Tragedy (see link below to a graphic of a broadside of that ballad). This ballad is a variation of Child Ballad #10 (The Twa Sisters). Variants and alternate titles include: The Cruel Sister, The Bonnie Milldams of Binnorie, The Bonny Bows o' London and Sister, Dear Sister. The ballad also appears in Scandinavia. Derby Ram There's some useful information about the song here. According to Roy Palmer, this song (No. 145 in his collection) was usually sung on New Year's Eve and "was already commonplace by 1739, when the vicar of St. Allemund's Church, Derby, wrote at the end of a letter to his son, "And thus I conclude this long story; almost as long a tale as that of the Derby Ram," Everyman's Book of English Country Songs, 237. [Note by Bob Hudson.] :-) |
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12 Feb 03 - 05:19 AM (#888356) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: IanC Some more of me notes ... Girl I Left Behind Me The oldest text is from issue 72 of "Charms of Melody" (approximately 1805-6). However, in a songbook, "The New Whim of the Night, or the Town and Country Songster for 1799", is a song "The Girls we love so dearly" 'Written by R. Rusted - tune "The Girl I left behind me". Wm. Chappell in "Popular Music of the Olden Time" had said quite a lot about "The girl I left behind me" being connected with "Brighton Camp" and being an 18th century song, though he gives no solid information to demonstrate an 18th century date. James J. Fuld, "The Book of World Famous Music", notes that the song appears in Bell's "Rhymes of the Northern Bards", 1812 and points out that "Brighton Camp Quick March", 1792, is not the same tune. The tune appears as "Brighton Camp or the Girl I Left Behind Me" in Riley's Flute Melodies (1816). Hallelujah, I'm A Bum George Milburn, in his Hobo's Hornbook says that a version of this famous hobo song "was found scribbled on the wall of a Kansas City jail where an old hobo known as One-Finger Ellis had spend the night, recovering from a overdose of rotgut whisky". Al Jolson made a big pop hit out of this. In England, though, "bum" means something else, so over here he had to sing: Hallelujah, I'm a Tramp. It Was A Lover And His Lass A late 16th Century English Lute Ayre by Thomas Morley. This song is sung in Shakespeare's "As you like it" which was first performed in 1599 or 1600. The use of the phrase "pretty ring time" appeals to my sense of humour. This is because, whilst most people are aware that Saturn has rings, in the Cambridgeshire fens it is more to do with Uranus. The Newry Highwayman BruceO provides some information in this thread. The song is also called "Wild and Wicked Youth", "Rambling Boy", "Irish Robber". Versions are set in England and in Ireland, but there is no single common title. :-) |
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12 Feb 03 - 05:51 AM (#888367) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Nigel Parsons Ian: yes, over here 'Bum' means the buttocks. The American usage has also found its way over here, and is often used as a verb meaning 'to scrounge'. The most common usage is in the expression: "Can I bum a fag" which means "can you spare me a cigarette". The close proximity of two words 'bum' & 'fag' both of which have differing meanings can lead to some confusion when talking to our colonial cousins. Nigel |
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13 Feb 03 - 05:26 AM (#889288) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: IanC Oh, Sir Jasper This is in the DT as a Kids Play Song (!!!). A parody "Oh, Sir Jasper, do not tie me onto the railway track!" is sometimes included in melodramas. Quare Bungle Rye Lesley Nelson's page says "This is a variant of The Oyster Girl, which was in both Duncan and Sharp's Manuscripts (1904). Rev. S. Baring-Gould also collected several versions. Variants were found in Aberdeenshire, Somerset, Northern Ireland and North Carolina. The Oyster Girl was printed on several broadsides (copies can be found at the Bodleian Library), including one by Catnach (who printed in London 1820-1830). Variants and alternate titles include: The Basket of Oysters, Bungerye, Queer Bungle Rye, Quare Bungo Rye, Young Bung-'er'Eye, The Basket of Eggs and Eggs in Her Basket." Bung Her Eye / Bung Your Eye is also the name of a dance & tune from at least the early C18th. The phrase "Bung your eye" is apparently Regency Slang, meaning (literally) to drink till your eye is bunged up or closed. In Cambridge and around Yarmouth, I can remember it being used as a toast into the last quarter of the 20th century ("Good health" ... "Bung yer eye"). :-) |
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13 Feb 03 - 06:35 AM (#889323) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Keith A of Hertford On my wall is a print of a painting called The Girl I Left Behind Me byCharles Green R.I. (1840-1898). The original is in the Leicestershire Museum. It shows a Regiment of redcoats about to embark, and contains some touching scenes of parting. Keith. |
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13 Feb 03 - 11:14 AM (#889521) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: IanC Final notes ... XVIII June (Plains of Waterloo) Although the "Battle of Waterloo" took place on June 18, 1815, it was actually the culmination of a several-day campaign. Napoleon, who had just returned from Elba, knew that all Europe would soon turn against him. His only hope was to defeat his enemies piecemeal - starting with the Anglo-Dutch army of Ellington (the hero of the Peninsular campaign) and the Prussian army of Blucher. Even though Napoleon started levying troops immediately, Wellington and Blucher together outnumbered the forces at his command by better than three to two. He had to separate them. He undertook this by dividing his army into two wings, the left under Ney and the right under Grouchy. (This was probably Napoleon's worst mistake of the campaign. He left his three of his best Marshals - Soult, Suchet, and Davout - in minor roles, while making the uninspired Ney and the inexperienced Grouchy his field commanders). Napoleon struck first on June 16. Ordering Ney to attack Wellington's rearguard at Quatre Bras, Napoleon took Grouchy's reinforced right and attacked Blucher at Ligny. Ney's attack accomplished little, but Grouchy beat Blucher handily at Ligny. Napoleon had apparently achieved his objective; Blucher was forced to retreat - which took him away from Wellington. He therefore swung the larger part of his army back to deal with the British. Unfortunately for the French, Blucher didn't retreat far. Even worse, Grouchy didn't follow him closely. Ney's errors topped things off. Given field command by Napoleon at Waterloo (June 18), Ney was unable to dislodge Wellington before Blucher returned to the battlefield. Since Grouchy didn't show up, Blucher and Wellington swept Ney from the field, ending Napoleon's dreams forever. The other general mentioned in the song, Jerome, was Napoleon's younger brother. At Waterloo he commanded Ney's left, and failed completely to rout the British from their stronghold of Hougoumont. The Zebra Dun There's some info about the song here. It says here that "Zebra dun is the most common expression of the dun factor. These horses have black points and bodies of some shade of tan or yellow. They tend to be more of a tan shade than the clearer yellow of buckskins. Their heads are usually darker than the body shade. Duns are from pale silver thru a peanut butter shade to a olden dun. Darker shades can be nearly bay, but lack the true red color of a bay. Zebra duns with heavy countershading over the dorsal area are called coyote duns." Thanks to all! |
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13 Feb 03 - 11:18 AM (#889525) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: DMcG And thanks in return, IanC. These are always good exercise and there's always at least one "I KNEW that!" that makes you feel stupid at the end!! (Derby Ram, in this case) |
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13 Feb 03 - 11:35 AM (#889536) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Declan In the song The Wheels of the World as sung by Len Graham it claims : "Wellington was a good spinner, His wheels were at Waterloo, If Grouchy had never been bribed, The French would have cut him in two." Not sure if the claim has any historical basis, the song is generally not written from a pro-British perspective. |
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09 Mar 08 - 05:08 PM (#2283878) Subject: RE: Quiz: Un Autre Alphabet Quiz From: Zaba These Czech lyrics of Jug of Puch are completely right (they must be - I think you could find them only at the web pages of the author of this Czech version), only without accents we use in Czech. I can tell you it is almost exact translation of the original lyrics. |