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14 Feb 03 - 11:12 PM (#890770) Subject: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Richie I'm trying to get info the origin of the Church in the Wildwood. Here's what I have so far: Church in the Wildwood, The Old-Time Bluegrass Gospel Song by James Rowe- words, William P. Pitts- music, DATE: Pitts 1857 (Rowe- 1911); CATEGORY: Gospel Song; RECORDING INFO: Carter Family; OTHER NAMES: Little Brown Church in the Vale; NOTES: The Little Brown Church in the Vale has become a famous tourist attraction in Iowa, and the song describing its beauty is still sung. Church in the Wildwood LYRICS BY PITTS There's a church in the valley by the wildwood, No lovelier spot in the dale; No place is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Oh, come to the church in the vale, To the trees where the wild flowers bloom; Where the parting hymn will be chanted, We will weep by the side of the tomb. How sweet on a clear Sabbath morning, To list to the clear ringing bell; Its tones so sweetly are calling, Oh come to the church in the vale. From the church in the valley by the wildwood, When day fades away into night, I would fain from this spot of my childhood Wing my way to the mansions of light. Church in the Wildwood Text James Rowe; Music William S. Pitts 1911 There's a church in the valley by the wildwood 'Tis the loveliest place in the dale; Not a spot is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Oh, come, come, come... Come to the church by the wildwood, Oh, come to the church in the dale; No spot is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Oh, how sweet, on a bright Sunday morning, Just to list to the clear-ringing bell; For its voice is so tenderly calling: Oh, come to the church in the dell. Oh, come, come, come... Come to the church by the wildwood, Oh, come to the church in the dale; No spot is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Brothers, now for the Savior let us rally, Let us serve Him who never will fail; "Gainst the foes of the truth let us sally From the little brown church in the dale. Oh, come, come, come... Come to the church by the wildwood, Oh, come to the church in the dale; No spot is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Far too long we have wandered after pleasures And ignored the sweet plea of the Lord; Let us strive for heavenly treasures- Let us work for the blessed reward. Oh, come, come, come... Come to the church by the wildwood, Oh, come to the church in the dale; No spot is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Let us offer ourselves anew to Jesus, And the message of life gladly tell; Let us cling to the Savior who frees us, Let us love this bright spot in the dell. Oh, come, come, come... Come to the church by the wildwood, Oh, come to the church in the dale; No spot is so dear to my childhood, As the little brown church in the vale. Here are my questions: The second version has a text by Rowe that was done by the Carter Family? Are the dates correct? is Pitts version the commonly known version? -Richie |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:29 PM (#890776) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Haruo Link to the DigiTrad's version, which it calls "Traditional - William S. Pitt", whatever "traditional" means in that context. Haruo |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:30 PM (#890777) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: katlaughing It is listed in the Song Origins database, with links to the relevant threads, here. Hope that helps. kat |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:32 PM (#890779) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Haruo Link to the CyberHymnal's version, with a description of its genesis apparently written by Pitt. (And a MIDI file.) Haruo |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:34 PM (#890781) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: katlaughing See Masato's postings in this thread. |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:34 PM (#890782) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: masato sakurai See this thread: Harmony Singing - Church in the Wildwood ~Masato |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:43 PM (#890790) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Richie Thanks for the links, I just listened to the Carter's versionon Honking Duck which is basically the same as version two that I posted. Did Rowe redo Pitts original version? |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:50 PM (#890793) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Neighmond I live Near Nashua, where the Little Brown Church is Located. The local story is that a minister saw the valley and thought it was the ideal place for his church to be, so he went back to get his family and on the way composed the song. The church is a Congregational Church. |
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14 Feb 03 - 11:59 PM (#890795) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Richie I was mainly interested in Rowe's new lyrics, when they were composed, how the Carter's got them, etc. Are Rowe's lyrics the typical Southern gospel lyrics or are Pitt's? Did Rowe first add the bass part "Come, Come..."? -Richie |
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15 Feb 03 - 12:03 AM (#890797) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Neighmond The Library of Congress has a recording from circa 1917, in their Edison Collection, that has the counterpoint (Come, come, come) that pre-dates The Carter Family by about ten years. I have a Cylinder Record that is from circa 1900 and If I ever get my cylinder player overhauled (mainspring, cleaning, governer pivot) I will play it and we'll see what it says. Hope that helps Chaz |
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15 Feb 03 - 12:13 AM (#890804) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Richie Thanks Chaz, Does that mean the 1911 date seems correct? Or is it earlier? Did Rowe write the Carter's version? If you were singing this song which lyrics would you use? -Richie |
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15 Feb 03 - 12:25 AM (#890814) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Richie After looking at the posts and links by Masato, it is clear that the "Come, Come" part (tenor and bass that leads into the Chorus) is part of Pitt's original arrangement. It was adapted by Rowe and the Carter family also use it in their version. -Richie |
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15 Feb 03 - 12:58 AM (#890835) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Neighmond I would sing the former of the versions, though they are both pretty. THe old version has more pinache. Chaz |
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15 Feb 03 - 03:29 AM (#890863) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: nutty There is sheet music dated 1865 here on the Levy site The Little Brown Church Title: The Little Brown Church. Song and Chorus. Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: Words and Music by Wm. S. Pitts. Publication: Boston: Oliver Ditson Company, 1865. Form of Composition: strophic with chorus Instrumentation: piano and voice (solo and satb chorus) First Line: There's a church in the valley by the wildwood, no lovelier place in the dale First Line of Chorus: Come to the Church by the wildwood, |
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12 Apr 04 - 01:57 PM (#1159991) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: GUEST,Cheri I am looking for copyright permission to use a few lines for this in an article I am writing. Does anyone know if this is in public domain, and if not, how do I find who to seek permission from? |
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12 Apr 04 - 02:27 PM (#1160019) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Jerry Rasmussen Hey, Neighmond: I've been to the church, too... out collecting fossils in Iowa and drove over to see the church.. Jerry |
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12 Apr 04 - 03:07 PM (#1160043) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Q (Frank Staplin) In music instruction in grade school (1930s), we sang the 1865 Pitts' version. I never have forgotten the commotion it caused. We would put a sort of marching rhythm to the Come, come, come ... and wouldn't stop when we were supposed to. It drove the music teacher (not a local) wild. Someone always pronounced 'church' 'shchursch' and the teacher finally gave up. Not long afterwards she had a nervous breakdown. Not the type to instruct western kids, especialy in New Mexico. There were many Spanish-speaking Catholic kids in our school (Santa Fe), and I remember that some of them wouldn't sing it at all. |
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12 Apr 04 - 03:52 PM (#1160089) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood From: Joe Offer Hi, Cheri - there's a message above that links to the 1865 version of the song at the Levy Sheet Music Site (click). As long as you stick to the 1865 version of the song, you have no need to seek copyright permission. In the U.S., almost everything published in 1923 and earlier is in the public domain - and I think U.S. law is the one that is most generous to copyright holders (and most restrictive on the rest of us). With a song published in 1865, there's no question at all - it's in the public domain. -Joe Offer- |
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14 Jun 09 - 01:08 AM (#2655930) Subject: Lyr Add: THE LITTLE BROWN CHURCH (Wm S Pitts) From: Jim Dixon From The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music: THE LITTLE BROWN CHURCH Words & music by Wm. S. Pitts. Boston: Oliver Ditson Company, 1865. 1. There's a church in the valley by the wildwood, No lovelier place in the dale. No spot is so dear to my childhood As the little brown church in the vale. CHORUS: Come to the church by the wildwood. Oh, come to the church in the dale. No spot is so dear to my childhood As the little brown church in the vale. 2. How sweet on a bright Sabbath morning, To list to the clear ringing bell. Its tones so sweetly are calling. Oh, come to the church in the vale. 3. There close by the church in the valley Lies one that I lovéd so well. She sleeps, sweetly sleeps 'neath the willow. Disturb not her rest in the vale. 4. There, there by the side of that loved one, 'Neath the tree where the wild flowers bloom, Where the farewell hymn shall be chanted, I shall rest by her side in the tomb. |
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02 Nov 09 - 11:51 PM (#2758426) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood/Little Brown Church From: GUEST,Donna You can go to LBC's website www.littlebrownchurch.org. Yes, there are weddings, renewal of vows, annual marriage reunion, and regular church services. Stop and visit the Little Brown Church on Highway 346 near Nashua, Iowa. |
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14 Sep 10 - 05:48 PM (#2986832) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood/Little Brown Church From: GUEST,smile please can you help me note of the church in the wildwood? (click for sheet music - Levy Collection) -Joe Offer, Moderator- |
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15 Sep 10 - 05:06 AM (#2987046) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood/Little Brown Church From: GUEST, Sminky Sergeant Bob Johnson (John Sweet) sang a fragment of Church in the Wildwood in the 1944 film A Canterbury Tale (Powell and Pressburger). |
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15 Sep 10 - 06:34 AM (#2987076) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood/Little Brown Church From: Matthew Edwards As a little footnote to this thread may I mention an excellent CD of hymns sung by the Lealholm Choir Church in the Wildwood; copies are available from Lealholm Music Productions. There is some great choral singing here, with some lovely and interesting hymns. The Musical Director of the choir is Joe Skilbeck, and the CD features one of his own compositions 'Jesus gave up His Life'. Some may recall Joe's role in the Men of Staithes choir, for whom he wrote the song 'Heading for the Harbour Lights'. Danny Stradling wrote a good article for Musical Traditions about the Staithes Men's Choir, which mentions Joe in passing. Matthew |
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02 May 12 - 11:19 PM (#3346325) Subject: RE: Origin: Church in the Wildwood/Little Brown Church From: GUEST Here is our take on "Church in the Wildwood." Sheet music and tab is included. |