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16 Feb 03 - 02:20 PM (#891651) Subject: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Mr Happy i'm after who wrote 'The Horn of the Hunter', anyone know? |
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16 Feb 03 - 02:53 PM (#891674) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: DMcG This site seems to imply it was Alan Bell. |
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16 Feb 03 - 02:57 PM (#891678) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: DMcG ... but the sleeve notes say: Also known as Old John Peel this is one of the most popular songs amongst the Cumberland huntsmen and was probably written before the the better known song about John Peel. This is a collation of two versions collected by Geoff Woods from Jim Hewittson of Egremont and Miley Wilson of Lamplaugh. I don't know what, if anything, Alan Bell had to do with it! |
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16 Feb 03 - 03:11 PM (#891689) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Malcolm Douglas According to the Roud index, it appeared in print in 1915, in T. McMechan's D'Ye Ken John Peel: The Song, its Author, and His Hero. That's the earliest reference at the moment, but the song was posted more than once in the huge John Peel thread; there may be useful information there, but I wouldn't count on it. |
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16 Feb 03 - 04:24 PM (#891743) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Santa Alan Bell certainly used to sing it, with the Taverners in the 1970s Blackpool Folk Club. Presumably the Tavs recorded it. I don't recall him claiming then to have written it. |
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16 Feb 03 - 07:06 PM (#891859) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Herga Kitty I asked Tim and Maddy where the song came from when I heard them sing it at Cecil Sharp House in the late 1960s - Maddy gave me Geoff Woods' address, and he sent me a (reel to reel) tape of some of his field recordings of this and "Tally Ho" being sung in pub sessions. It's far after ten my good children You know it is fast getting late So we'll wait for another cold evening And I'll tell you of Reynard's sad fate. |
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16 Feb 03 - 07:14 PM (#891864) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: masato sakurai The previous thread Malcolm refers to is: Do ye ken John Peel?. |
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18 Feb 03 - 06:29 PM (#893107) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: GUEST,Richard in Penrith According to my copy of "Songs of the Fell Packs" (long out of print) The Horn of the Hunter or John Peel's Echo was was written by Jackson Gillbanks of Whitefield, presumably as a lament on Peel's death in 1854. Gillbanks would have been Peel's close neighbour, Peel living most of his life at Ruthwaite, south of Ireby in the Northern Fells. The Gillbanks Family residence, Whitefield (House) is mentioned in the song, but is now the Overwater Hall Hotel. The small Lake (tarn) Overwater near which it stands is the source of the River Ellen which figures prominently in the chorus. Although not native Cumbrians my wife & I have a strong affinity with these places. In 1977 we were married in Caldbeck church, where John Peel himself was married-officially- in 1797 (having previously eloped to Gretna Green) & in which churchyard he is buried. We had our wedding reception at Overwater Hall and went on to a wedding ceilidh at Ireby Globe Hall. Last year we celebrated 25 years with another ceilidh at Caldbeck Village Hall. The hunting song tradition still continues in these parts. Two hunt sing-songs were advertised in this week's Cumberland & Westmorland Herald, though ironically, the same legislators aiming to ban fox hunting might also succeed in stopping people singing about it if this P.E.L nonsense enters the statute books. |
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19 Feb 03 - 07:47 AM (#893384) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: M'Grath of Altcar The little yellow book - "Songs of the Fell Packs" is not out of print. It can be obtained from the Melbreak. |
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05 Mar 03 - 04:57 AM (#903825) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca The tune (which isn't in the Spring 2002 DT) can be found in this message Tune Add: Horn of the Hunter |
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05 Mar 03 - 05:47 AM (#903842) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Mr Happy cheers all for help so far. |
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05 Mar 03 - 12:49 PM (#904068) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: GUEST,JohnB M'Grath, how would I go about getting a copy of the book? I am in Canada but I still have an English Bank account and can write cheques. There are a couple of different Melbreaks come up when I do a search. Any info appreciated, Thanks, JohnB |
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07 Nov 07 - 07:59 PM (#2188667) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: GUEST,Robin Turner As a lad in the late 1940s and early 50s, I was taken to many concerts of the Ullswater Pack, in pubs auch as the White Lion Patterdale, and the Travellers rest at Glenridding. My Father used to sing this song (The Horn of the Hunter's now Silent..), and he collected the Lyrics of many of these songs in a small notebook, which I still have. I have sung the version of the song my Father knew as 'Jackson Gillbanks Song' many times subsequently. Should anyone be interested in the Lyrics collected by my Father, I would be pleased to share them. Many of the tunes I still recall, and I particularly recall the enthusiastic and knowledgeable audience participation at these concerts. After each singer, the MC for thte evening would lead everybody in a short chorus of appreciation of the singer, which went: "Its a Jolly good song, and its jolly well sung, Jolly good company every-one, And he who can beat it is welcome to try, But always remember the Singer is Dry!" followed by a common roar "Sup, yer Bloodhounds, Sup!" For more info contact Robin Turner, Eiridh na Greine, Ardfern, Argyll PA31 8QN |
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08 Apr 09 - 02:56 AM (#2607118) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Barry Finn In the last line of the chorus; "Clear sound o'er the dark Caldews roar" What or where is/are the Caldews? And was this written by "Jackson Gillbanks of Whitefield, presumably as a lament on Peel's death in 1854." As stated above? Thanks Barry |
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08 Apr 09 - 03:17 AM (#2607126) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Marje The Caldew is a river in Cumbria, so it's singular - "the dark Caldew's roar". Marje |
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08 Apr 09 - 02:42 PM (#2607474) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Barry Finn Thanks Marje Barry |
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08 Apr 09 - 04:56 PM (#2607575) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Ross Campbell Alan Bell's "Horn of the Hunter" is his own lyrics, set to the tune of the older song. Alan's song is a lament for the lost valley and community of Mardale, drowned in the 1930s to form Haweswater Reservoir. In dry summers, the remains of the village can still appear. Ross |
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24 May 20 - 12:21 AM (#4054712) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Joe Offer Reinhard has a nice page on this at Mainly Norfolk Recording by Maddy Prior and Tim Hart: |
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24 May 20 - 08:21 AM (#4054809) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: Felipa The Horn of the Hunter / John Peel's Echo [Jackson ... https://mainlynorfolk.info/steeleye.span/songs/thehornofthehunter.html "The Horn of the Hunter, which is also called John Peel's Echo in Cumbria, is a tribute to that most well-known of hunters, John Peel (1776-1854) of Caldbeck. We are told that the song was written by one Jackson Gillbanks of Whitefield and it is one of the songs that Robert Forrester and Norman Alford collected in the early 1950's in the northern Lake District. " also the title of a BBC Radio Ballad: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/radioballads/2006/hunting/index.shtml several samples on youtube Bill Vanaver was linked in my mind with the title "horn of the hunter", but it seems likely I was thinking of a different song, The Haunted Hunter aka The Walker in the Snow |
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26 May 20 - 08:23 AM (#4055246) Subject: RE: Origins: The Horn of the Hunter From: DonMeixner I am only aware of this song from the singing of Ed Trickett.. I believe it is on a Folk Legacy record Turning Toward The Morning in The Bok, Trickett, and Muir collection of albums. Don Meixner Recording by Bok, Trickett, and Muir: |