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17 Feb 03 - 04:39 PM (#892398) Subject: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Concerned in USA As an educator, I am getting really concerned about the apathy and unwillingness to learn among large numbers of black high age males..."School Ain't Cool" is a new "thang" with young Negro boys...ignorance is seemingly tolerated and expected in order to become a part of certain groups...girls are not displaying this attitude as much as their male counterparts (yet). I attend workshops and seminars throughout the eastern seaboard (USA) and many educators, both black and white, are getting very concerned about this "thang". Are we seeing this attitide in other parts of the USA and the world and is this spilling over into other cultures? |
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17 Feb 03 - 04:44 PM (#892402) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: BuckMulligan Expect a lot of flack for your use of "Negro." It might even preclude many from responding to your point. My response to your point is that I doubt it's limited to any particular ethnicity. Adolescents in general are concerned with what's "cool" - it may (probably does) have more to do with socio-economic levels than with ethnicity. Opnion only of course, based on more than cursory observation though. |
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17 Feb 03 - 04:45 PM (#892405) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Yes we are seeing it in other parts of the US, and yes it is just as apparent among teens of other ethnic and racial backgrounds, including girls, in my experience. It isn't just a black male issue, IMO, although it seems to be doing the most harm to black adolescent males. Spike Lee was addressing this very issue in his film "Bamboozled" which I thought was excellent. |
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17 Feb 03 - 04:46 PM (#892408) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST BTW, I'm also offended by the thread title, along with the use of the term "Negro". |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:04 PM (#892425) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Big Mick As a citizen of the USA, as a citizen of the world, as a former teacher, as an activist, as a person who draws air, and any other way you want to cut it, I am offended by your solicitous and barely disguised bigotry. You are the kind of racist that I have spent a lifetime battling. And you set the predicate for the troll by acting like this is a legitimate pronouncement on a legitimate problem. I despise you and all who think you are legitimate. That would make them shallow or ignorant, and you......a malevolent human being. The problems with a significant portion of the youth of today are not defined by color, nor is this a phenomenom of this moment in time. One need only look at South Boston, and the Irish, during and after the famine years, the back of the yards in Chicago with many Eastern Europeans, the steel mills of Pittsburgh, and on and on. The problem you describe is not a product of race. It is a product of hopelessness and a lack of opportunity. I am seeing the same symptoms among the children of single, working mothers of all backgrounds, as well as among the children of the underemployed of all backgrounds working at Walmart. If you really want to deal with the problem (which, IMO, you really don't) then deal with the hopelessness that many of our youth face. Mick |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:20 PM (#892447) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Jerry Rasmussen I'm with you, Big Mick. My Grandson (who is black, Pa-Sha) is 13, getting straight A's, has been nominated for the National Honor Society, is a 2nd level black belt and is in the International Karate Hall Of Fame. He also volunteers at a food shelter. He's black, not negro. One of my sons (who is white) dumbed down in High school, because he was constantly ridiculed for doing well, and for his vocabulary among his all-white friends. His younger brother and I used to ride him for his suddenly poor grammar. He came out of High School with barely a C average, but impressed his friends. Now, he is a high-tech computer consultant, in high demand. He finally realized that impressing his friends was destorying his life. He got new friends, went to college and is very happily married. My other son did very well in High School and was a National Scholar. He's white, too. Let's see, that means that half of white kids dumb down to impress their peers, but black kids are honor roll students... I was just talking to a friend of mine last night who is taking a year's leave of absence from all outside activities to spend more time with his 14 year old son, to make sure he reamins committed to getting an education and going on to college. He's black. Mick is right... hope is the driving force for all of us, black or white. It's a lot harder to have hope when you see the discrimination and negative generalities around you. More doors still open if you're white. Whether you meant it or not, your statements sound condescending and judgmental. An implied, ""what are black folkses coming to" attitude. I see a lot of pride in the black community and an emphasis on education that you won't hear in rap videos. If you ahve an yserious concern about kids of any flavor rejecting school, try to do something about it. Something more than starting a thread on Mudcat.. Jerry |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:24 PM (#892451) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: JudeL As Mick says this isn't a race thing, but disaffection of our young people is a big problem. When suceeding at education is seen as something which is not rewarded by sufficiently better pay and prospects, to offset the disadvantages of it's cost and the delay in starting a career, we are going to end up with a system where only those who already have wealth bother with it. Even worse is when likelihood of getting anything but a dead end job with no prospects is vanishingly slim , then the idea of something where they feel valued and important become very attractive even when part of them knows that they are buying into a dangerous fantasy. |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:27 PM (#892454) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: SINSULL Thanks Mick. Shame on me. I was too annoyed to respond. |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:40 PM (#892467) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Bobert First of all, I do find the term Negro offensive and patronizing. With that said, I too am concerned about the continued variance on educational and emplyment between blacks and whites. I believe a national discussion on "race" is long overdue and America very much needs to not dance around *slavery*. Slavery still haunts our society some 140 years after the Emancipation Procamation. We also need to refocus resources that will provide hope to the inner city population, black and white. We are not doing a very good job on the. I remember when the "summer jobs" program was funded somewhat adaqutely and it had a level of success. We also need to spend oney on a PR program that offers some alternatives to the "cool" to be either *less cool* or *more cool* depending of ones defination. I think that people who feel disenfranchised are not going to walk the extra mile for acceptance. I'm not say that some won't but the most won't. Unfortuately, we're not going to move on creating a more hopeful society under the current administration. Not that the last one was all that great, but it was way beyond the current administration. Bobert |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:45 PM (#892469) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Big Mick I agree with about everything you said, but I just don't see the point in turning this thread legitimate, Bobert. Call this what it is. Mick |
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17 Feb 03 - 05:45 PM (#892470) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Being Asian, the most educated and highly motivated culture (and most successful) on the planet, I love to see you racists (of all races) and bigots (of all races) and middle of the roadies (of all races) and those of you who take the free ride and feel you are "OWED" because you blame everyone for your ancestors misfortunes (you know WHO you are) face off and blame each other and piss off each other. You are pathetic. You waste entirely too much time with your inane bitching and moaning. Listen up people. It is simple. Educate your ignorant asses or you will asking "ya wan' fries wid dat?" OR you will pump your pitiful bodies full of dope and end up with the rest of the losers. Quit blaming the whites and the blacks and the yellows of the world for your poor self. Take charge and create your own place in the world. PS: For those of you with really profound and deep replies to these questions...the very least you can do is learn how to spel (oops! spell). |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:08 PM (#892484) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: McGrath of Harlow It's not exactly new, and it's certainly not limited to black kids. I remember, when my son was at school, hearing how about the worst insult you could have was to be described as a "boff" - means someone who was studious. I've never heard a good explanation of where it comes from. Kids who excel in sport aren't embarrassed about it. Why the difference? I think it maybe that sporting success is seen as a more collective thing, at least for team sports, and even in individual sports, since in a school setting individuals will normally be part of some kind of team or squad. There's a sense in which everyone benefits from the success of individuals. On the other hand doing well in studies is more of an individual thing, and nobody else feels they benefit. I went to a Jesuit school, and the cunning Jays used to organise classes into two sides, Romans versus Carthaginians, and you scored and lost points for how you did for the side - and every now and again there'd be a day of school for the winners, and the losers had to stay in and work. Roughly the same system they used in Hogwarts. Whether it worked, and took the stigma off academic success, I'm not sure. I think it probably did, at least to some extent. The thing is, children, and possibly boys especially, are collective in their feelings in all kinds of ways, and group loyalties matter. That's not at all a bad thing, but if it's not worked with it can have some dodgy results. |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:12 PM (#892487) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: McGrath of Harlow Crucial mispelling there - I wrote "day of school" where I meant "day off school", and it makes all the difference. Corrected version following: It's not exactly new, and it's certainly not limited to black kids. I remember, when my son was at school, hearing how about the worst insult you could have was to be described as a "boff" - means someone who was studious. I've never heard a good explanation of where it comes from. Kids who excel in sport aren't embarrassed about it. Why the difference? I think it maybe that sporting success is seen as a more collective thing, at least for team sports, and even in individual sports, since in a school setting individuals will normally be part of some kind of team or squad. There's a sense in which everyone benefits from the success of individuals. On the other hand doing well in studies is more of an individual thing, and nobody else feels they benefit. I went to a Jesuit school, and the cunning Jays used to organise classes into two sides, Romans versus Carthaginians, and you scored and lost points for how you did for the side - and every now and again there'd be a day off school for the winners, and the losers had to stay in and work. Roughly the same system they used in Hogwarts. Whether it worked, and took the stigma off academic success, I'm not sure. I think it probably did, at least to some extent. The thing is, children, and possibly boys especially, are collective in their feelings in all kinds of ways, and group loyalties matter. That's not at all a bad thing, but if it's not worked with it can have some dodgy results. |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:18 PM (#892493) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Bobert Hmmmmm? How come I find it hard to believe that GUEST is "Asian"? Nvermind.... Bobert |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:23 PM (#892495) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Spelling, spelling, spelling. |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:41 PM (#892513) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Big Mick These GUESTS are all the same person, IMO, except the WAMSO posts of 4:45 and 4:46 PM. Please don't debate this with this racist pig. Don't give them the legitimacy. |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:45 PM (#892519) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: InOBU However, I do want to say, this is the perfect example of why there must be set asides for minorities in American education. With "educators" like this out there, the federal courts had better make sure the playing field is ballenced against this sort of idoitsy. Cheers Larry |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:48 PM (#892523) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Bobert Oh, Larry, Larry... GUEST is a tickler for spelling... So your post don't count! Awww, jus' funnin... But like Mick says.... End of discusssion... Bobert |
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17 Feb 03 - 06:57 PM (#892531) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Question in line with this topic: When schools were integrated (mixing of the races) in the United States, which group(s) gained the most from this action? Were not your schools equally staffed and teachers qualified to teach the different levels of students? Were not your students taught the same requirements during segregation? How do you feel standards were affected grom integrated? |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:10 PM (#892536) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Big Mick Why do you now affect an air which indicates you are not from here? This is the same racist bigot trying to pretend that s/he is someone else. I can't force anyone to do anything, but my opinion would be greatly lowered of anyone who answered that last query. Mick |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:13 PM (#892538) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Bee-dubya-ell Personally, I'm not offended. GUEST's comments are unfortunate, but why should poor word choice and un-enlightened attitudes be offensive? That would be giving them power that I do not wish to give them. I'm not offended if a dog shits in the middle of the street. I just assume it doesn't know any better. Here are some things that I do find offensive: I am offended by a national media that makes cultural heroes out of pimps, drug dealers and violent angry rappers. (I am also offended by the way in which that same media has kow-towed to the current administration, but that's not really germane to this discussion.) I am offended by apparel manufacturers who market grossly overpriced products to those who can least afford them. I am offended by state governments that have legalized and institutionalized gambling, particularly state-run lotteries, knowing full well that those who will gamble the most are those who can afford it the least. I am offended by the cult of rampant consumerism and the desire for instant gratification that have made it look more important for young people to start accumulating new cars and wide-screen TV's now than to get an education. I am offended by these things because they are, at least in part, reasons for the perceived phenomenon that GUEST describes. Bruce |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:17 PM (#892540) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Big Mick Bruce, your statement about what offends you is on the mark. Your comment about the intent of GUEST'S post is naive, IMO. Respectfully, Mick |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:30 PM (#892546) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Bobert Yeah, Bruce. I wasn't gonna post anything more but... right on! Bobert |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:31 PM (#892547) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: EJ GUEST is entitled to his or her opinion about these issues which are, to say the least, sensitive. But regardless of the sensitivity or insensitivity, we should all feel free to express our true feelings about any topic. Unless of course we have lost freedoms that I am not aware of. This is my first time aboard. I fully intend to be open minded. You seem like a fun group. EJ |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:40 PM (#892551) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: mack/misophist I graduated high school in the early 60's. When I went back to college in 2000, I was shocked at how easy most of the courses were. This suggests that high school is too easy also. Perhaps we should try harder. |
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17 Feb 03 - 07:51 PM (#892560) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Mick, you seem very judgmental for someone claiming to be concerned with other's prejudices. The initial post, except for one unfortunate word choice, was a perfectly legitimate question. The 5:45 guest, while somewhat rude and crass, has a perfectly valid point: claiming that, because your ancestors were enslaved, you should be given some special privileges, is not the way to create racial equality. The problem in education is primarily a lower-class, inner-city phenomena, as far as I have seen. The solution, rather than any race-based fix, is simply to bring all school systems to parity. McGrath, I think that, at least at the middle-school and high school age, women tend to be more collective. This may contribute to their generally lower academic performance, for the reasons you described. There is probably also a decreased pressure to succeed academically, and less encouragement from teachers. The men are more likely to rebel against expectations, because that is, in itself, expected of us. |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:06 PM (#892571) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: McGrath of Harlow What's all this got to do with race anyway? Just because the person who started the thread gave it a spin that way doesn't mean that this a particularly important aspect of it all. I don't think a collective attitude on the part of pupils makes them perform worse academically, unless the way they are taught doesn't take account of it. Of course schools all too often are sucked into a culture of education that puts all its stress on individuals competing against individuals, and that must tend to lower standards where people are more collective in their learning behaviour - but that isn't the only way to teach. It's the same thing you get in music, and one of the ways in which folk music often swims against the tide. Though it's common enough to have that same assumption, that it's one against all competition which is the way to get good music, you also get the opposite idea, in which music is a place where people can back each other up in a supportive way, with the competition side being a kind of game, to add a bit of spice to something that is primarily shared and communal. |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:14 PM (#892575) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Big Mick First off, to Forum Lurker.............you are part of the problem. You come in here and act as though the first post was legitimate. In my opinion, and I am entitled to make judgements about folks, that makes you ignorant, naieve, or a troll. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it how they see fit. But I refuse to stand by and let this be a discussion of how "minorities" are the problem with the education. That is a poorly disguised attempt to get a bunch of well meaning folks to jump to the bait and defend "minorities", as if they needed defending. Kevin.............you know we go back a ways, but your attempt to shift this to a discussion of education plays right into this bigot's game. This is a troll, and this person is well known. I give a shit what you do, but you should know better. And if that makes me judgemental, so be it. Don't be saps. Ignore the "merits" of this thread and recognize it for what it is. My last word on this one....................... Mick |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:23 PM (#892579) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST The reaction against the original post was way over the top. I work in education in the inner city schools, and I can tell you the problems with anti-school attitudes in certain communities goes much deeper than the students' petty rebellions--it is rooted in certain cultural attitudes shared by many, that education isn't the way out for them, because there is something flashier--sports, entertainment, crime--that can get them out of poverty and onto easy street. Like I said, the phenomenon isn't race or ethnic based, but it sure is class based. To try and silence a discussion because someone uses the word 'negro' seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Say it offends you, if it does, and move on with the discussion. We are all adults here, and none of us needs to be dictated to by net cops about what is and isn't acceptable language or an acceptable subject to discuss. |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:30 PM (#892584) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST BTW, the behavior being described by the original poster is what is known as "gangsta" or "thug" culture, which is just the current lingo attached to a culture of poverty and dispossession that plays itself out everyday on streets around the world. However, I do want to point out that the original poster also made what I consider to be racist suggestions that this phenomenon is strictly found among African American males. Nothing could be further from the truth, unless of course, that poster lives in an area where poverty is concentrated in the African American community, and there aren't other ethnic groups in that communitiy where they claim to teach besides European Americans who are presenting themselves as economically "better" than the African Americans. That isn't uncommon in some parts of the South, though it is becoming rarer nowadays that you would see such a black/white dichotomy. |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:32 PM (#892585) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Tinker Pssha.... those conferences have national attendance and better answers than this forum offers. It's a complicated issue, but not one I'd discuss in the confusion here. Guest's objectives don't ring true.But I'd be pleased to PM a discussion. |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:43 PM (#892591) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Q The United Negro College Fund continues to support schools who offer opportunities to black students and to provide scholarships to black students. They have raised $1.7 billion in their 50-some years of existence. The Fund has partnerships with Microsoft, AT&T and other corporations, and is supported by well-known blacks such as Spike Lee. Would you withhold support from this group because they continue to use Negro in their title? I see little purpose in dwelling on the word. |
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17 Feb 03 - 08:49 PM (#892594) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST I agree Guest Q. It is an antiquated word that makes some uncomfortable, but it in no way is equatable to words like nigger, coon, etc. What I found offensive in the orginal poster's remarks really, was the suggestion in the thread title, when combined with the suggestion in the post that the issue was once restricted to "negroes". For me, it was the combination that tipped me off that the original poster *might* have been a racist troll. But even if the original poster is a racist troll, it doesn't mean we can't turn the conversation to more positive things, which is what intelligent, reasonable adults do all the time. Of course, some adults respond to these things by getting hysterical and trying to use whatever authority they believe they have to "keep people in line". I object to that sort of behavior as much as I do to racist trolls. |
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17 Feb 03 - 09:07 PM (#892608) Subject: What a foolish thing to assume! From: Neighmond It's ALL the children that are in danger. It nearly always a by-prodect of our no-contact society, no rules, self-esteem, no accountability, "be-a-friend-not-a-parent" garbage. It knows no racial boundries. Quit bitching about it "Concerned in USA" and DO something about it. If you are a teacher then you owe it to your pupils. Don't write it off to the "whims of a race"-that's alot of bunk! Be a role model and GET INVOLVED!!!!!!!!! Nobody expects a 100% salvation rate, but I swear to God if I don't try to reach all of my students before it's too late I won't renew my contract. Chaz |
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17 Feb 03 - 09:10 PM (#892609) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Big Mick, I fail to see why you think that the original post was an attack on minorities. When someone says that a given group is underperforming, they may just as well be concerned for them as condemning them. Of course, you'll probably assume that I'm patronizing blacks by expressing concern for them, but that's really up to you. I don't understand why you believe that anyone who doesn't assume the worst of a stranger is "ignorant, naieve,(sic) or a troll," but I guess that you have the right to express your opinion. |
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17 Feb 03 - 09:44 PM (#892624) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,eavesdropper Neighmond, I think your contract has expired. If you think that you or any other educator can teach social rules and ethics (much less economics) to thugs that were street wise at age 6 then you must know something that nobody else knows (except for a couple of you "thread lifers" to seem to know everything. Better to concentrate on the ones who are willing to learn and who CAN learn. Sorry, this is real life. Not everyone can be reached. When the present administration says that "no child will be left behind" it makes me wonder what is the thought process behind these statements. Come to the light and see what really is before you lose all perspective. |
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17 Feb 03 - 09:49 PM (#892628) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Q I agree that the problem is everywhere. One tends to speak of the group of underachievers that they are familiar with- in many areas, it is the Hispanic students, in others it is poor whites, or blacks, or aboriginals, or children of Asian immigrants. The problem has to be handled differently, not only just with the groups I have named but regionally. The culture of Hispanics in a south Texas community, for example, cannot be compared to that of Hispanics in a city like Chicago. It is difficult to fight the group persona that develops. I know teachers who have given up. |
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17 Feb 03 - 09:51 PM (#892629) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST If we could get the reforms we really need in place, none of those kids would have to be left behind. I work with these kids every single day. Junior high, and they all can still be reached. But they need to be taken out of mainstream classes, and they need to work one on one with tutors. I've seen miracles happen. Nobody wants or deserves to be thrown away. Not at any age, but certainly not at the young and tender age of junior and senior high school. These kids are desperate all right--desperate for someone to reach out a helping hand, instead of constantly slapping them down for "misbehaving". Every kid with a thug attitude is desperate to be saved. I'm no Pollyanna. I work in schools where weapons and assaults are a constant part of our reality. But I also know these kids are just as human as anyone, and they all, every single one of them, deserve so much more than we are giving them. |
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17 Feb 03 - 10:24 PM (#892650) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Neighmond Eavesdropper: My contract will expire when I do. Nobody will reach all the children. But that sure as hell doesn't excuse anybody from trying. If you want to cop out and say "can't teach to street wise thugs" that's YOUR business. Damnded If I do. I plan on getting paid for my work, and I'll earn every red cent. I may not save them all but If I can raise one young life from failure it'll be worth every cent I sink into my education. All the filthy money in this world is bupkis to a living mind, that has the potential to do anything. P. S. I don't claim to know any secrets about teaching. There is no secret as far as I am concerned. For every lost child on this planet there is someone, somewhere, that can reach them. I will be that person or will find that person for as many of my students as God wills. Signing off with my real name, because I have said things I will back, Chaz |
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17 Feb 03 - 10:40 PM (#892662) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Neighmond, if there were more people who thought like you did, the world would be a better place. There are, however, two secrets to teaching. I call them secrets only because far too many teachers appear not to know them. They are persistence and caring. |
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17 Feb 03 - 11:46 PM (#892691) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Neighmond I'll buy those secrets, only don't wrap them, I'll wear them. Chaz |
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18 Feb 03 - 12:10 AM (#892695) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,O Convidado Odiado I was confused by the initial post and ran it through Mudcat's translator. Ran it through 'English to Portugese' and then ran THAT back through as 'Portugese to English'. Hopefully it now makes more sense: As an educator, I am starting really I concerned on apathy and unwillingness to learn enters a great number "black high School of the males of the age... is not cool" is "one thang new" with new black ignorance of the boys... that seemingly is tolerated and waited the end to changed a part of definitive girls of the groups... its masculine counterparts are not indicating this attitude in such a way how much (however). I take care of the workshops and the seminaries during all seaboard eastern (U.S.A.) and many educators, black person and white, are starting very interested on this "thang". We are seeing this attitide in other parts of U.S.A. and the world and we are this that spills the excess in other cultures? Yes...that IS the question..."We are this that spills the excess in other cultures?" Words of wisdom. Words of wisdom. Though I think the whole Thang is giant chain yank. |
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18 Feb 03 - 11:28 AM (#892741) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Please run the original thread again. I think a lot of the original meaning was lost. Some of you folks are about as useful a a football bat and truly fucked up in your thinking. Are you thinking(?) or has your medication or some deviant source of knowledge really distorted your worldview. (National Inquirer?) Maybe some of you "thinkers" don't have the brainial capacity to hear and absorb what is really happening in this world. Some of you really should be shut off from all incoming data and given something real simple to play with. And for those of you who can read books, pick up a copy of "Stupid White Men", try to read it without moving your lips or using your finger as a pointer OR have someone read it to you. Maybe (and this a big maybe) some point will open a tiny crack in your small mind and give you just a tiny bit of insight. Otherwise sign off forever and keep your bias opinions to your pitiful selves. |
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18 Feb 03 - 11:48 AM (#892755) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST In parts of the UK, problems have been reported as being greater amongst black pupils. Here is a recent report from the BBC. Jon |
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18 Feb 03 - 11:53 AM (#892759) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,The guest who is hated Here...I ran the last post through as Japanese and back again. Yeah...now it all makes sense. Funny how a superior oriental language can make things clear. Thanks for your insight: "Move the original thread for the second time. I think of that many of meaning of the origin are lost. The fucked approximately is by the fact that you think no person the inside you the bat of the people football not to lie as useful. As for you? the thinking (it is) or it has your medicine or deviant source of knowledge really twisted your worldview. (Interrogation person of citizen?) Perhaps, some person the inside you hears, the " idea house " does not possess the brainial capacity which those which have happened really absorb in this world. Some person the inside you goes out from the data where everything comes entering, plays to with something and substance is easy should give really. And not using those because of you, you read the book, or " it is foolish and it chooses the copy of the white person " or, you try your finger dynamic faint, that or your lip as a pointer or, or makes that someone read it is possible to read to you. Perhaps, (and this is large the crack of minimum of the heart where perhaps) the point you is small is opened, insight the minimum bit is given exactly in you. Otherwise sign permanently, maintain your bias opinion to your pitiful oneself. Some of you really should be shut OFF from all incoming data and given something real simple to play with. And for those of you who can read books, pick up A copy of " Stupid White Men ", try to read it without moving your lips OR using your finger as A pointer OR have someone read it to you. Maybe (and this A big maybe) some point will open A tiny crack IN your small mind and give you just A tiny bit of insight. Otherwise sign OFF forever and keep your bias opinions to your pitiful selves." Wordy language, that Japanese. |
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18 Feb 03 - 12:05 PM (#892770) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,eavesdropper GUEST, the one who is hated, you are a fucking moron. Any language will distort the literal meaning of anything written in any other language. Read what is written as it is written. That should be simple enough even for a moron. Run your pathetic life history through Swahili and you may appear to be a fucking genius. |
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18 Feb 03 - 12:23 PM (#892790) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,The caller whom it hates Sorry...Swahili's not an option on the translator. But Korean is, so I ran your post through and back again in order to better understand: "It hates to peel, who spreads out the caller, it is one fucking moron. The what kind of language anyone which it writes inside what kind of that outside language it hangs but silk river sectional meeting will do letter meaning. It writes and what it writes that way reads. That for the moron is the break when it selects and it does too much. If it runs your pathetic lifetime history in the Swahili, or other it is born it does not know fucking genius this it spreads out." Hey, I kind of like this Korean stuff. Makes even a crabby scree sound poetic. |
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18 Feb 03 - 01:18 PM (#892838) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,eavesdropper My, my...even in the UK. Any comment about this article from you "thread lifers"? (Whoever coined this phrase, thank you...what an appropriate term for these old farts with mundane lives.) |
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18 Feb 03 - 01:58 PM (#892867) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST We in the UK, or anyways I do, do not believe that blacks are the source of all evil. We have some that are blighters but some are fair folk and do their best. |
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18 Feb 03 - 02:10 PM (#892876) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,L'invité détesté L'invité est perceptive et un intellect vrai. Pas. |
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18 Feb 03 - 02:56 PM (#892919) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Big Mick scares me more than anyone else...talk about self righteous prat. |
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18 Feb 03 - 03:06 PM (#892927) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: catspaw49 Anybody else just for closing this one? Not that it ever had merit beyond the obvious "troll value" but now it's just several guests talking to several guests or to themselves or whatever..... Spaw |
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18 Feb 03 - 03:21 PM (#892939) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Concerned in USA Close it. When I entered the first post, I expected more intelligent input, but not so. Note to Big Mick and Bobert, you two are very scary people and even more scary, there are a lot of you running loose and then there are the zealots. May the creator help us all. We are in worse shape than we realize. |
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18 Feb 03 - 03:29 PM (#892941) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Geordie I didn't realize how many people are in favour of censorship. This thread is distasteful in more ays than one. Disappointing isn't it? |
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18 Feb 03 - 05:10 PM (#893052) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Closing a thread isn't censorship. It's refusing to countenance idiots who think retranslation is funny, and ad hominem attacks. |
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18 Feb 03 - 07:25 PM (#893155) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Well, the subject WAS the superiority of some racial group at some point. The translating seemed to make sense. Everyone got all skewed over the use of the word 'negro', but what if I AM an 'idiot', as Lurker says? I mean an idiot in the classical definition of the word. Whatever the I.Q. range used to be used to differentiate morons and imbeciles and all that...there was one within which 'idiots' fell. Seriously...there was some old scale which graduated idiots and morons and imbeciles according to how low their I.Q.s went. I think there were ten or 15 points between the groups. So...wouldn't calling me an 'idiot' then be just as offensive as calling someone a 'negro'? I mean, BOTH would be conditions of birth beyond a person's control...skin color or inate capacity for thinking. So, as an idiot, I object to that! Yeah! Maybe I HAVE to use the translator to understand what's being said, so how DARE you call me an idiot! Maybe I can't HELP it I wasn't lucky enough to be born a MORON like you Lurker, and I was more fortunate than others on this thread because I wasn't born an IMBECILE. |
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18 Feb 03 - 07:26 PM (#893158) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: posterchild Americans have more problems with their "minors" than the rest of the combined world. When they riot and loot and burn your cities, what do you do? You reward them by offering more programs, more favours, more welfare cheques, no taxes or charges and then your leaders kiss their arses. Think I will migrate to one of your ghettoes and see how much free stuff I can walk off with. |
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18 Feb 03 - 07:28 PM (#893160) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST Ah, a new member troll. You'll feel right at home here, posterchild. This place is troll heaven. |
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18 Feb 03 - 07:34 PM (#893165) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Moron (IQ 50-69) Imbecile (IQ 20-49) Idiot (below 20). http://webenet.com/iqclassifications.htm Sorry...got my Imbeciles and Idiots mixed up. Never send an Idiot to do an Imbecile's job. |
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18 Feb 03 - 08:18 PM (#893195) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Neighmond ugh! Does that mean I am a member troll? |
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18 Feb 03 - 08:25 PM (#893198) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: posterchild Clarification, please. Define troll as the term is used in these messages and what is IMO? By the way, a book refered to by GUEST, 11:28AM-"Stupid White Men" has just hit the book sellers here. Have any of you "scholars" read it as of yet? |
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18 Feb 03 - 08:48 PM (#893211) Subject: RE: Minority Ignorance From: Burke IMO -- In My Opinion Yeah, I think the subject has been exhausted. There are some worthwhile comments, but lots of trolling that borders on bigotry. I don't like the idea of deleting it, but closing is a good idea. Topic closed. |