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22 Feb 03 - 10:56 PM (#896321) Subject: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: M.Ted What with the rain and 30" of snow melting, we had a flood, and about 150 of my favorites are blobs of cardboard papier mache,vinyl, and mildew--For some reason, the replaceable stuff(or at least stuff that has been released on CD's, since records are extinct) was mostly spared--and I've got to figure out replacement values for the insurance company for stuff I have no idea how to find again, let alone find a value for-- Some of the stuff, early rock stuff, jazz, etc is easy, because it was "collectible" and is listed in books--but a lot of my stuff was off the --well, some examples: Hilo Hattie"Keep Your Eye on the Hands(It's Naughty and you Know it), Gabby Pahinui with the Sons of Hawaii, Pece Atanavski--Macedonian Folkdances, Pearls Before Swine, Roscoe Holcomb--and I have no idea how to determine a replacement value, and worse yet, no idea how to replace them--Any ideas on either one will be welcome-- |
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22 Feb 03 - 11:02 PM (#896326) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: GUEST,Dave Williams M. Ted, Try checking out eBay. They often have some very exoctic records posted. Good luck. You have my sympathy. |
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22 Feb 03 - 11:32 PM (#896338) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: M.Ted I tried some of my titles--I found three of the ten I entered--problem with them was that only one had a bid--asking prices varied from $1.00 to $25.99 but I had no way of figuring whether the asking prices were reasonable--and it would be bad have the insurance give me the $1.00 and end up having to start bidding at $25.99! |
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22 Feb 03 - 11:35 PM (#896343) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Stilly River Sage When we had to place a value on my father's LP's my brother took the list of albums, by title and performer, down to an antique auction house (he's in LA, but does a name something like "Butterfields" ring a bell?). They were able to look over the list and tell him in general what their worth would be. SRS |
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22 Feb 03 - 11:46 PM (#896354) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: M.Ted I'll look it up, Stilly--it's going to take me a while to get the list together though--I have to dry them all out so they'll separate without pulling the covers off-- |
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23 Feb 03 - 12:09 AM (#896370) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: GUEST,Q No LPs, but three cds of Roscoe Holcomb at Gemm. They have a couple of Hilo Hattie's lps. Pearls--- ESP 1054L for $US 38.75 (several with this title, don't know what you are after). Not much help, but this outfit is supposed to be one of the largest. Gemm Records Really sorry about the Gaby- one of the greats. Mark may be able to help- there is a used shop in Honolulu if he gets off the Big Island. The problem is that all of his stuff is sought avidly. |
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23 Feb 03 - 01:15 AM (#896410) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: katlaughing M.Ted, I'll ask Night Owl, tomorrow, when I talk with her. She had to do it all from memory for her insurance company when she lost her entire collection to a housefire. Here's one catalogue which has something by Gabby Pahinui, maybe not the one you had, but it's a start: click. Here's a bio with info on recordings by Pece Atanasovski click. This site lists an LP by Hilo Hattie and at the bottom says some of them may be for sale at a link provided: clickety. Pearls Before Swine records are available here, it looks like, not cheap!: click. Not the same as the original vinyl, but it looks like Smithsonian Folkways has Roscoe Holcomb available: click. I found these doing a search on google. If you want to list some more, I'd be happy to see what else I can find to help out. Sorry this happened. kat |
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23 Feb 03 - 03:14 AM (#896457) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Stilly River Sage I agree with Kat--if you can post a list, people might be able to help by plugging in numbers for you. It would be nice if the insurance covered these at replacement value. Probably no such luck? SRS |
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23 Feb 03 - 03:25 AM (#896459) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Roger the Skiffler Also look on Amazon z-shops for secondhand vinyl suppliers. Also look at www.oldies.com for possible replacements. I feel for your loss! RtS (hoarder of piano rolls, 78s, LPs, cassettes, CDs...) |
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23 Feb 03 - 08:42 PM (#896992) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: M.Ted Thanks all for help and sympathy--I am in the despondency phase now, as the insurance company has reversed, and now claims they won't cover anything--mercifully, flood losses are tax deductable-- I am assembling a list, but won't have it for a while--I still have water coming in that I have to deal with, on my own it turns out. I've set up a temporary record mortuary and am drying stuff out so that I can pull the stacks apart in a way that the jackets are still readable-- It seems almost absurd that I should be disturbed by the lost record jackets(the records, push come to shove, can still be cleaned and played) but they give the discs their value, both sentimental and monetary-- Most upsetting losses are that old Vanguard Mississippi John Hurt double album and "The Marcels Blue Moon"--The latter having been one of my first albums ever-- I keep reminding myself that this is just stuff--It isn't a real tragedy, like the nightclub fire in RI--just stuff-- f |
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23 Feb 03 - 09:05 PM (#897001) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Bill D no, it IS a real tragedy...not as bad as losing friends or your life..but still real!...I have LPs dating back to 1950s, and I shudder to think how I'd react if I lost them...keep us advised, and maybe there is some way we can help find replacements... (aren't you in DC area?..I know some places to look) |
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23 Feb 03 - 09:11 PM (#897006) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: GUEST,terilu Ted, Same thing happened to me about 14 years ago, when our house was destroyed by fire. Cassettes in a drawer were mostly ok, after being dried out from the water used to put the fire out, but the records were pretty much a mess, and had to be thrown out. One thing I learned from that was that records can mostly be replaced, over time, and yes, stuff is very replaceable and a lot of it forgettable, and there is usually too much of it. Within a few years, we were back in the position of not enough room for the stuff we had, even after being glad we'd never spent much on anything (early american garage sale and thrift shop)and vowing not to allow clutter in again - ha! the best music is that made with friends and family. Good luck and God bless. Terilu |
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23 Feb 03 - 10:39 PM (#897047) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: SINSULL M.Ted, Sorry. But post a list and i will keep an eye out when browse the thrift shops and garage sales. You never know. M. |
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23 Feb 03 - 10:41 PM (#897049) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Mudlark Ted...I agree w/Bill D. To lose the physical armature of cherished memories is always a tragedy. Altho I rarely play them any more if anything happened to my translucent neon turquoise old Fantasy label jazz records I'd really suffer. When threatened by fire a few years ago they went into the truck right after the dogs, paintings,and my Martin. Rhino is good for replacement, Fantasy has rereleased a lot of stuff, so eventually you can get the music back...but oh, those album covers, with the great liner notes.... You have my sympathy. Water still coming in? Oy. Good luck with staunching the flow, and the cleanup. Why wont your insurance pay? (she said, worriedly looking thru her own policy) |
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23 Feb 03 - 10:51 PM (#897058) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Rick Fielding Ted I am SOOO sorry. I had a similar thing happen about 15 years ago, and was never able to replace all the good stuff....but I've gotten at least fifty percent (most on vinyl cuz rarely did my tastes make it to CD) back The mildewed mikes, pickups, speakers etc. were a lost cause. Bummer. Rick |
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24 Feb 03 - 12:00 AM (#897096) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Bill D I understand that insurance companies are beginning to balk everywhere at water damage, and are refusing to renew policies after a major water/mold claim...it seems that this is one of the biggest drain on them these days. I have some 'pinholes in copper pipes' problems, but I am trying to deal with it without a claim. I have had (moderate)basement leaks that I cleaned up myself rather than take chances. Now, as I read this thread, I am looking at where I store things...just to be sure.... |
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24 Feb 03 - 01:07 AM (#897120) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Stilly River Sage Here in Texas insurance companies have reworked their homeowners policies. The original "A" type policy was replacement value and included mold damage, and "B" was much less coverage, and it was all based on depreciation. Now, with the mold claims, they have priced the true "A" policies so no one can touch them if they compare, and if people renew automatically, they're hit by huge increases. Instead of the standard "B" policy, they now have what is essentially a "High B" or "B+" policy that is everything the "A" policy covers EXCEPT mold. That's the policy that I have now. Though the prospect of fooling with drywall is a pain in the neck, after having watched a major remodel in my old garage (now my office and sunroom) and the construction of a new garage, I know that if I had to deal with wet walls I'd probably tear out the old wallboard before it had time to mold and replace it. Our houses are mostly so flimsy today it's almost scary, how little we have between us and the weather. When I realized that I wasn't going to be able to keep my father's LP's together in one place as the foundation of his collection (I plan to donate it to a university or music museum one of these years) I scrambled to tape all of the LP's and to photocopy everything about the album covers and the liner notes. It isn't the same as having the originals, but at least the information is preserved. Do post a list of what you are hoping to replace. From what you've mentioned so far, it doesn't sound like there is overlap between the collection I have and what you're wringing out, but I'm sure you'll find instances where people can at least burn a CD or record the LP and copy the cover for you. SRS |
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24 Feb 03 - 01:30 AM (#897129) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: GUEST,Q Getting replacement of the content is a lot different from having a collection of rare originals that was built up over the years. As Stilly River Sage says, insurance coverage has become too expensive. To obtain proper insurance for valuable items, an outside appraisal and description are required for each item. The costs are such that the only feasible alternative is to donate to an institution. They can give out a tax receipt, but here in Canada that is only good if one has a large earned income on which the receipt can be used. |
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24 Feb 03 - 12:01 PM (#897380) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: M.Ted The insurance comments are about right--there were huge losses from hurricanes and flooding all over the country a while back, and insurance companies had trouble covering their liabilities, so they stopped writing policies--for us, it turns out that our carrier simply discontinued its flood and water damage insurance--they didn't send a cancellation notice though, they simply took it out of our homeowners policy about a year ago, and we never realized it. Apparently, even the person who took our claims didn't realize that they no longer covered water damage-- The water has stopped for now--I will probably start making the list this pm--will post the essentials here as soon as I get a chance-- |
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24 Feb 03 - 01:00 PM (#897434) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: NicoleC Insurance woes... my healthcare insurance spiked 24% this year -- and that's after reducing benefits by about half. My car insurance went up 30%, and they won't let me pay in two or three installments anymore. I can't wait to see my homeowner's bill; our association's insurance went up 42% this year! I tell you, I'm in the wrong business. The higher premiums go, the less likely they are to pay any claims. When you make up that list, M.Ted, let us know how much you are willing to pay for replacements. I may hit the antique mall this weekend, and I'll pick up anything on your list that meets your price. |
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24 Feb 03 - 02:01 PM (#897519) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Stilly River Sage I have a separate policy for flood insurance because I live next to a creek. It's a great location, but the tradeoff is that I have to add the extra insurance. Though the yard doen't usually even get wet when the creek rises enough to flood the road, the 100-year events could get water into the lowest level of the house. Flood insurance in this part of the flood plane is about $50 a month added onto my mortgage, but my taxes are so much lower here than in Fort Worth that I'm still not up to the cost it would be if I lived a few blocks from here and paid their tax alone and didn't have to deal with flood insurance. That said, I realized the other day that my LP's are down on the floor level. Perhaps it is time to raise them up a bit! SRS |
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24 Feb 03 - 02:09 PM (#897530) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Neighmond loc.gov is the Library of Congress' website-from there there are links that tell how to breath some life into records that are in dire straits-if only long enough to tape them to have the content saved. Perhaps you may be able to utilize the information. Good Luck, as I know I love my record collection! Chaz |
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24 Feb 03 - 02:13 PM (#897540) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: McGrath of Harlow I'd have thought that the actual records woudl have a reasonable chance of still being playable, even if the covers are destroyed. Mind, don't tell the insurance people that. |
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24 Feb 03 - 03:21 PM (#897584) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: M.Ted Strange as it seems, Kevin, the records are worthless without the covers, even if they are perfectly playable-- When I get this list made up, it will be mostly for determining the loss, as I said, there will be no insurance money, so the replacement process will be slow--most of the collectible stuff(stuff with premium value) will probably never be replaced, just because of just can't afford the cost-- |
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24 Feb 03 - 03:41 PM (#897606) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: dwditty http://www.gemm.com/ |
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24 Feb 03 - 05:43 PM (#897702) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Bobert I agree with McGrath. Whereas the collectable value went down the drain, so to speak, the LP's themselves, with a good washing will play probably batter than the last time you heard 'em.... But sorry about the loss of the covers. I have about 2000 LP's and there's probably 500 of 'em that would be real painfull to loose. Good luck. Bobert |
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25 Feb 03 - 02:57 PM (#898494) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: Stilly River Sage Here is a link to the music section of Half Price Books, Records, Magazines, located in various places (there are about 15 locations in this DFW area in Texas). I suspect that what is advertised here is stuff that they have larger quantities of, not necessarily rare. But poke around and see if there is anything useful here as far as linking to other sites. SRS |
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25 Feb 03 - 03:48 PM (#898537) Subject: RE: Help! I just lost a a bunch of LP's-- From: GUEST,Q My daughter, when a teen, went nuts over the pop music in the early 60s. I checked prices recently and some are worth quite a bit- or would be if they hadn't been played to death, and mostly left out of the sleeves and picked up scratches. The sleeves, many of them, are in very good condition. I have helped a friend improve the value of a few in his collection by giving him covers where his were water-stained. Never throw a good sleeve away if it is from a first issue. I have a mystery novel that catalogues around $1000 with the dust jacket. I don't have the jacket so it is only worth about $15 max. LPs are the same, as MTed says. dwditty re-posted the gemm.com. I recently got a rare one from them, fine condition, too. They are worth trying if you have the money. |