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Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?

27 Mar 98 - 10:30 AM (#24734)
Subject: Lyr: Gin I were a Baron's heir
From: Bill (Scotland)

Can anyone help me with finding the lyrics to this old Scots song "Gin I were a baron's heir". It may also be an old fiddle tune.
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27 Mar 98 - 10:44 AM (#24736)
Subject: RE: Lyr: Gin I were a Baron's heir
From: judy

Dougie MacClean does it on one of his albumns. I probably have it in a book somewhere. Will look for it later if I have the time or if no one else pops up with it.

enjoy!
judy


17 Jul 98 - 01:22 AM (#32760)
Subject: Lyrics: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: Lisa

Does anyone have the full lyrics for this Jean Redpath song? (Gin I Were a Baron's Heir)

It starts:

O gin I were a baron's heir, and could I dress with gems your hair . . .

Thanks for your help!

Lisa.


19 Jul 98 - 05:27 PM (#32914)
Subject: Lyr Add: OH, GIN I WERE A BARON'S HEIR
From: Murray on Saltspring

^^OH, GIN I WERE A BARON'S HEIR

This text from Whitelaw, Book of Scottish Song (1844), titled "Lassie, would ye lo'e me". [Music by J. W. Holder, and words by Wm. Holder, according to another source]

Oh, gin I were a baron's heir,
And could I braid wi' gems your hair,
And make ye braw as ye are fair,
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?

And could I tak' ye to the town,
And shaw ye braw sights many a ane,
And busk ye fine in silken gown,
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?

Or should ye be content to prove,
In lowly life unfading love.
A heart that nought on earth could move,
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?

Nd ere the lav'rock wing the skie,
Say, would ye to the forest hie,
And work wi' me sae merrilie,
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?

And when the braw moon glistens o'er,
Our wee bit bield and heathery muir,
Will ye na greet for ye're sae puir,
Lassie, though I lo'e ye?

For I ha'e nought to offer ye,
Nae gowg frae mine, nae pearl frae sea,
Nor am I come o' hie degree,
Lassie, but I lo'e ye.

It's a good old song, and bears comparison with "Lassie wi the Yellow Coatie" by James Duff.


01 Aug 02 - 07:24 AM (#758016)
Subject: Chords: Gin I Were A Barons Heir
From: Mikey joe

Hi

Following my recent and successful search for the chords to Turning Away for which I thank you all. I am now on the prowl for the chords to Gin I Were A Barons Heir. Well probably more specifically the tuning that Dougie MacLean uses or ideally the tablature for this. Thanks for your help

Mj


01 Aug 02 - 11:30 AM (#758156)
Subject: RE: Chords: Gin I Were A Barons Heir
From: Sorcha

There is a Dougie tuning here, and a MIDI file here but I didn't find any chords. Sorry.


02 Aug 02 - 04:54 AM (#758587)
Subject: RE: Chords: Gin I Were A Barons Heir
From: GUEST,Mikey joe

Thanks Scorcha

Its all good

Mj


16 Feb 03 - 09:12 PM (#891929)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: John in Brisbane

I presume that someone has extracted the MIDI from Lesley N by now, but I have the score.

Regards, John


27 Mar 08 - 04:10 PM (#2298991)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: Bearheart

So it's not a Robbie Burns tune? Where did I get the idea it was? I've been misrepresenting it all these years!

Anyone know anything about the composers? (Wm Holder/J.W. Holder)


27 Mar 08 - 06:40 PM (#2299133)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: michaelr

Eddi Reader leads off her new CD "Peacetime" with this and calls it traditional. Her notes say: "Google tells me the tune originated in 1893".

Cheers,
Michael


27 Mar 08 - 09:42 PM (#2299289)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: Little Robyn

John Sutherland sang it at our wedding in 1984.
Lovely.
Robyn


28 Mar 08 - 12:57 PM (#2299673)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: Bearheart

Murray on Saltspring says in his previous post that J.W. Holder was the composer and William Holder wrote the words.
I was able to find this reference to the composer on line (didn't copy the entry in its entirety):

British Musical Biography: A dictionary of musical artists,etc by James Duff Brown, Stephen Samuel Stratton 1897

Holder, Joseph William organist and composer born in Clerkenwell, London 1764. A chorister in the Chapel Royal, etc etc . Died in 1832
Collection of catches, canons and glees, op. 6 1787 collection of songs, duets and glees 1800 … Lassie would ye love me Scots song.

I haven't been able to find out more about him, all the references I have found list the words as Anon or Trad.

There was a Rev. William Holder listed in the same Biography but he predated JW (born in 1616).

Anyone able to fill out this information? I don't have access to Whitelaw, Book of Scottish Song (1844), but it sounds to me like Murray's source was someone else anyway.


31 Mar 08 - 01:59 PM (#2302236)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: GUEST,Adelaide

My copy of Scots Minstrelsie (ed. Greig), 1893, has similar words; the piece is listed as "Popular Lyric" and "Air by William Holder, Mus. Bac., 1765-1832."


31 Mar 08 - 03:26 PM (#2302346)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: Malcolm Douglas

Whitelaw just says: 'Music by J W Holder'.

The edition of 1866 can be seen in various formats at The Internet Archive:

The Book of Scottish Song


07 Mar 10 - 04:26 PM (#2858564)
Subject: Joseph William Holder componist
From: GUEST


07 Mar 10 - 05:08 PM (#2858600)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: Tootler

101 Scottish Songs Ed. Norman Buchan (1962) says "Tune by J W Holder"

It also gives these chords for those who like these things.

    G    Em   Bm       G7
Oh, gin I were a baron's heir,
    C       G         A7       D7
And could I braid wi' gems your hair,
    G    Em         Bm    G7
And make ye braw as ye are fair,
C       G      D7   G
Lassie, wad ye lo'e me?
    Bm      Em      Bm      G7
And could I tak' ye tae the toon,
    C       G          A7   G7
And shaw ye braw sights many an ane,
    G       Em      Bm    G7
And busk ye fine in silken goon,
C       G       D7   G
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?

Or should ye be content to prove,
In lowly life unfading love.
A heart that nought on earth could move,
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?
And ere the lav'rock wing the skie,
Say, would ye tae the forest hie,
And work wi' me sae merrily,
Lassie, would ye lo'e me?

And when the braw moon glistens o'er,
Our wee bit bield and heathery muir,
Will ye no greet for ye're sae puir,
Lassie, for I lo'e ye?
For I ha'e naught tae offer ye,
Nae gowd frae mine, nae pearl frae sea,
Nor am I come o' high degree,
Lassie, but I love ye!


26 Feb 17 - 07:59 AM (#3841652)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: GUEST,Craig D

The Scottish Poetry Library shows two instances of 'laverock' or 'lavrock' in Burns' poems, and neither is this. Not Burns.


26 Feb 17 - 05:56 PM (#3841783)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gin I Were a Baron's Heir?
From: leeneia

It has a pretty tune. I found it at the abc notation site under "O Gin I were a Baron's Heir". The O seems to be essential.

See if this works:

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=tunearch.org/wiki/O_Gin_I_were_a_Baron%27s_Heir.no-ext/0001

It's quite high. Unless you are boy soprano, you will probably have to change the key.

In the lyrics above,

Nd should be And,
gowg should be gowd and
nought should be naught.