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13 Mar 03 - 09:59 AM (#909041) Subject: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Toots Does anyone have the words for this? I have it on vinyl,but can`t get it onto anything so as I can retrieve the words. Thanks in advance |
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13 Mar 03 - 10:07 AM (#909050) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: Charley Noble Well, I'd also like to see what this one looks like. Charley Noble |
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13 Mar 03 - 10:15 AM (#909057) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: nutty Apparently it was written by Ray's brother Archie and is also known as the Fairfield Crane ^^ The lyrics can be found here The Fairfield Crane |
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13 Mar 03 - 10:35 AM (#909071) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: MMario it is also known as Fairfield Crane |
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13 Mar 03 - 10:58 AM (#909088) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: Charley Noble Good work! |
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13 Mar 03 - 01:09 PM (#909198) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST It's also printed in Ewan McVicar's book 'One Singer One Song' and the music was written by the late Bobby Campbell, a fine fiddler. Jim Mclean |
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13 Mar 03 - 01:19 PM (#909211) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: Steve-o This song was done beautifully by Norman Blake not long ago. I believe it's the CD he made with Tony Rice- readily available. |
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13 Mar 03 - 02:12 PM (#909253) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,toots Thanks, Nutty, that`s what I like, a simple answer to a simple question, for simple folk! |
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13 Mar 03 - 05:33 PM (#909426) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar Please be careful about authorship on this one. I printed in the book what Archie told me, that he and Norman Buchan worked on the song together, but Archie sang only the verses he alone made. However, Janey Buchan is rather incandescent about this statement, though she seems to blame me rather than Archie about it. She feelsw Norman should get an equal credit. |
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14 Mar 03 - 07:31 PM (#910385) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: Susanne (skw) I absolutely agree with her, Ewan, (NOT about blaming you!) which is why I put Norman's name alongside the others' with Archie's version on 'My Songbook' (see nutty's link above). I think you did too, in your book? IIRR, every other version I've heard follows Archie's, but they still credit Norman. Seems to be just fair as failing memories, not to mention death, make Archie's claim hard to verify after such a long time. |
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15 Mar 03 - 01:05 AM (#910496) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Billy Not on this subject, but on Achie Fisher who was due to do some US appearances in an upcoming tour, some with Garnet Rogers. The US Immigration people, in a 4-page denial ... "Could find no good reason for allowing this man (Fisher) access to the USA". I guess he must be carrying something more dangerous than an instrument in that guitar case - could it be truth? |
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15 Mar 03 - 03:39 AM (#910515) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar I ran into exactly the same problem with another song in the book. One person claimed to have written it all, the other to have written most of it, and neither had ever got any of the considerable royalties it earned. They both thought the singer who made it famous had got all the cash. In fact it stuck to the fingers of the publisher. One of the co-writers fell out badly with me about what I wrote in the book, but relented when I managed to get both of them some hundreds of pounds of the earnings, and sorted out a secure base for future earnings. Mind you, neither of them gave me a penny or a bottle of booze in return. As regards Norman, I dedicated the whole book to him, acknowledged his involvement in the song, reported what Archie said, and printed only what PRS / MCPS said was the correct credit. Failing memories might be involved, but the PRS / MCPS credit has been that way for many years, since about the second time the song was recorded. |
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15 Mar 03 - 04:13 PM (#910855) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: Susanne (skw) It's a hard life, Ewan ... Still, take pride in the fact that nobody else has yet presented such a great collection of Glasgow songs and characters! (I think I heard your other story from the singer who made it famous just before he died - but of course, his may not have been a unique experience!) Billy - could it be that Archie is banned from the US for carrying a conscience? |
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15 Mar 03 - 06:14 PM (#910939) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Big Jock Archie Fisher banned from America? He never had a political thought in his head!! How about the truth? Big Jock |
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16 Mar 03 - 02:05 AM (#911101) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: nutty Could Archie be proving that the pen is mightier than the sword???? |
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16 Mar 03 - 01:47 PM (#911332) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Big Jock What did he write that upset the Americans? |
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16 Mar 03 - 01:51 PM (#911336) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: nutty Can you think of any other reason that he might be refused entry ?? .... I certainly can't. |
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16 Mar 03 - 02:50 PM (#911373) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar I don't know who 'Big Jock' and how intimately he has known Archie, is so I don't know what level of trust to put in his assessment of the political commitment of someone I've known since he was 20 years old. He has in that time to my certain knowledge had several political thoughts, though not always ones I would agree with. Big Jock is so good at having strong opinions I think his given first name might be Gordon? |
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16 Mar 03 - 04:30 PM (#911430) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Big Jock Come, come Ewan, you're not seriously saying that Archie has said or written anything which might bar him from the USA? Maybe it was his stance during the anti Polaris movement? |
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16 Mar 03 - 06:00 PM (#911481) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice- Archie Fisher From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar Sorry, I cannot cope with talking through a veil to someone I may or may not know. I can't be bothered with cuteness. Plus, I'm about to be away from my computer for a week, so cannot properly develop a debate. However, Archie's stance during the Holy Loch protests was itself I think a political statement - not however one that would then have barred him from the US, any more than my actions of the time would have barred me, by the way. The collaborative work he did with John MacGrath more recently, and some comments he made to me at that time, were political statements that would be considered less welcome in the current US climate. And both of us had / have various other friendships, and have been involved in various collaborative stances, that would tag our US files as 'suspect, better refuse'. |
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15 Jul 13 - 03:05 AM (#3537532) Subject: ADD Over Yonder Banks (Graeme Miles) From: Joe Offer My friend Fred sang this today at song circle. I thought it should be posted. On his album, Sunsets I've Galloped Into, Archie Fisher sings "Shipyard Apprentice" and "Over Yonder Banks" together. I'm assuming Archie Fisher wrote "Yonder Banks" - is that correct? YONDER BANKS (Graeme Miles) We lived over yonder banks Where those tall cranes touch the sky; Down beside the dockyard wall Where those terraced houses lie. And I think we lived at number 4, or was it number 6? It was such a long, long time ago, I can't remember which. We lived over yonder banks, over there. We played tag on yonder tip When the watchman was away; Up and down we used to run A hundred times a day. And when the shipyard sirens blew, We'd chase each other home. That was quite some time ago, Some thirty years or so. We lived over yonder banks, over there. Well, I'm at the station now, Waiting for the evening train, Wondering if by some small chance, I might pass this way again; Though I left the town where I was born, Deep inside I know, A little will remain with me, No matter where I go. Oh, we lived over yonder banks, over there. THE SHIPYARD APPRENTICE (The Fairfield Crane^^^) And I was born in the shadow of a Fairfield Crane, Where the blast of a freighter's horn Was the very first sound that reached my ears On the morning I was born. I lay and I listened to the shipyard sounds Coming out of the great unknown, And was sung to sleep by the 'mother tongue' That was to be my own. But before I grew to one year old I heard the sirens scream; As a city watched in the blacked-out night, A wandering searchlight beam. And then at last I awoke and rose To my first day of peace, But I've learned the battle to stay alive Was never going to cease. I sat and I listened to my father tell Of the days that he once knew, When you either sweated for a measly wage, Or you joined the parish queue. As times grew harder day by day Along the riverside, I oftimes heard my mother say, "It was tears that made the Clyde." Now, I've sat in the school frae nine to four, I've dreamed of the world outside, Where the riveter and the plater watch Their ships slip to the Clyde. I've served my time behind shipyard gates, And I sometimes mourn my lot; But if any man tries to mess me about, I'll fight like my father fought. We lived over yonder banks, over there. from http://www.lyrics.com/yonder-banksthe-shipyard-apprentice-lyrics-archie-fisher.html (corrected) THE FAIRFIELD CRANE (from the Digital Tradition) (Archie Fisher / Norman Buchan / Bobby Campbell) I was born in the shadow of the Fairfield crane Where the blast of a freighter's horn Was the very first sound that reached my ears On the morning I was born I lay and I listened to the shipyard sound Coming out of the great unknown And was sung to sleep by the mother tongue That was to be my own But before I grew to be one year old I heard the sirens scream As a city watched in the blacked-out night A wandering searchlight's beam And then at last I awoke and rose To my first day of peace For I'd learned that the battle to stay alive Was never going to cease I sat and I listened to my father tell Of the days that he once knew When you either sweated for a measly wage Or you joined the parish queue As times grew harder day by day Along the riverside I oft-times heard my mother say It was tears that made the Clyde Now I've sat in the school from nine till four And I've dreamed of the world outside Where the riveter and the plater watch Their ships slip to the Clyde I've served my time behind shipyard gates And I sometimes mourned my lot But if any man tries to mess me about I'll fight like my father fought (As sung by Archie Fisher) Ray Fisher singing "Over Yonder Banks": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh87kWbrOWc Click here for a photo of the Fairfield Crane in Glasgow. |
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15 Jul 13 - 07:08 AM (#3537579) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice (Archie Fisher) From: Sandra in Sydney thanks for posting the words, Joe, I love that song. And further thanks for the link to the pic of the Fairfield crane. This is my local hammerhead crane which is in danger of being demolished - Garden Island crane drain divides public Heritage doesn't count when money is concerned. I've taken a lot of photos of it. sandra |
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15 Jul 13 - 08:17 AM (#3537607) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice (Archie Fisher) From: GUEST,Gerry Splendid recording of Shipyard Apprentice by Alistair Hulett on the compilation CD Union is Strength, put together in 1996 by Geoff Francis and Peter Hicks. |
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16 Jul 13 - 04:01 AM (#3537955) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shipyard Apprentice (Archie Fisher) From: Tattie Bogle Joe, as you've actually posted, Over Yonder Banks was written by the recently deceased Graeme Miles, not Archie Fisher. It will presumably be about shipbuilding on the River TEES, the area where Graeme lived for many years. Ray Fisher (one of Archie Fisher's sisters) lived in the area of the River TYNE, another great shipbuilding area in N East England, after she married. And yes, the Fairfield Crane is on the River Clyde, Glasgow. |