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17 Mar 03 - 12:43 AM (#911671) Subject: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watchi From: katlaughing Before you read any further, please know that I honestly just want to know what those of you who are more knowledgable of Irish history think of this film, if you've seen it. I realise there are different takes on it according to where you are coming from and I do NOT mean to stir any pots or cause any heated debates with my question. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Right then, here it is: BBC America has been running ads for a drama/film called Rebel Heart which they produced in 2000. It is a fictionalised account of Ireland's fight for independence as experienced through the eyes of one young man from Dublin. I watched the second hour of the first half tonight and thought it was pretty good, but I am wondering how accurate/fair/authentic it might be. At least it sounded as though they had actors who knew the accents! But, what do I know, a puir gryl from the Rocky Mountains.**bg** Thanks a bunch! kat |
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17 Mar 03 - 11:05 AM (#911938) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching From: Rapparee It hasn't come to this area, at least yet, but I'll keep an eye out. |
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18 Mar 03 - 06:23 AM (#912390) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: Ireland This caused a bit of a stir when it was first shown on N.I. T.V., some of the events are based on actual happenings, like all such films, but there are two sides to every story, unfortunately one side only was given. Try this link it may be interesting. http://www.rebelheart.co.uk/ |
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18 Mar 03 - 10:52 AM (#912585) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: katlaughing Thanks, very much! |
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18 Mar 03 - 01:54 PM (#912763) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: McGrath of Harlow There are more than two sides to most stories in Irish history. Rebel Heart did quite well in showing a couple of them, the two sides as they divided in the Civil War. To have tried to tell the story from the Unionist side and the British side as well would have needed a far larger canvas. As it was it had to speed up and simplify, and had its novelettish side. But it had some great performances, and had the right look about it. But remember, it's a story set in history, not history. |
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18 Mar 03 - 03:05 PM (#912810) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: Ireland Oy! McG of H,the cause of complaints were due to it not covering a unionist or British perspective,that was why it caused a stir. Given that Kat was basically asking if such incidents in the programme happened, I thought she would have been interested in hearing how others thought of the programme, no need for qualifiers. "But remember, it's a story set in history, not history." It is a sad fact that some people do not distinguish fact from fiction based on fact. Classic example of this is the Custer Last stand movies. In keeping with Kats wishes I will not say any more on the subject. |
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18 Mar 03 - 04:56 PM (#912908) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: katlaughing I had a look at the website, Ireland and it seems they did try to not stir things up, too much, or at least be honest about their motivations. Thanks for the link. I do realise, Kevin, that it is fiction within history and I noticed, from the little bit I saw, that it didn't show a lot of certain viewpoints. It does seem it did a good job of what they apparently meant to do, that is show it through the eyes of one idealistic young man whose life was changed dramatically because of his participation in the events of the time. Ireland, please, I did say I just wanted to know what people thought of it and if it followed in an authetic way the history of the times. BUt, that doesn't mean no discussion. I just didn't want to start any of the infamous inharmonious debates we've had here before concerning N.I. Thanks for you understanding and respect, but please do feel free to add more, if you wish. That goes for everyone, as long as we can keep it civil and focussed, eh? thanks! kat |
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18 Mar 03 - 05:32 PM (#912927) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: Ireland Kat I didn't know if you have seen the full show and I did not want to spoil it on you. Yes there were some liberties taken, and when it was being advertised in N.I. it was hyped as more fact than fiction. This was given credence with,I think,the authors past connections to SF or the IRA. I'm not casting aspersions here just trying to set the scene as such. This was why unionists gave off about the programme and at the time many saw it as propaganda. Issues raised such as no,British/unionist, show commissioned to put the other side across. Also people were pee'd off with the thought of their licence fee being used for such biased show's. Did not bother me in that respect, I thought it was a good show that's all. But the issues it raised are worth discussing and as you say, as long as we can keep it civil and focussed. |
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18 Mar 03 - 06:11 PM (#912951) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: McGrath of Harlow Well, with my background, it benefited by focusing on a crucial aspect of the time which has been shuffled off into the wings, the roots of the divide which shattered into the Civil War, and which has dominated the life of the island for so long, in so many ways. Maybe what was needed would have been a trilogy, with one of the other films trying to make sense of the Unionist tragedy, and the third exploring the British misunderstanding of the whole thing. I think trying to get them all into one film wouldn't have worked. |
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18 Mar 03 - 06:52 PM (#912972) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: katlaughing Thanks, the both o'youse! You are right, ireland, I haven't seen it all, yet. Don't know when they will run it, again, so it's okay. I'll enjoy it regardless. Kevin, that sounds like a good idea! On the other hand, I enjoyed an umpteenth showing of Darby O'Gill and the Little People last night!**BG** Never had realised that it was a young Sean COnnery who acted and ahem sang in it! I also noticed things they seemed to have gotten right which I didn't know in the past, i.e. using "slainte" and the way they pronounced "poteen." Now, I know it was Walt Disney and all of that, but it was still fun to see it again!:-) |
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19 Mar 03 - 07:22 AM (#913275) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: Ireland As I said I enjoyed the programme for what it was,nothing more than a good story, maybe McG of H will correct me if I'm wrong, but was the show cancelled to be shown at a later date until some censors/politicians saw it. Did the RTE networks put off showing it also, anyway my point is the show stirred it up a bit because of the way it portrayed certain events. Kat did you see the part were the male members of a Belfast family was shot by the police? I forget the inspectors name, but he was a real character famed for his brutality. Maybe it was these type of scenes which annoyed the unionist crowd. If it is based on true events then I believe film makers have an obligation to portray such actions,no matter how uncomfortable it makes us feel. To put it bluntly I think the unionists did not like some home truths. Mc G of H is right to an extent,I thought the show was too long and given the time that was dedicated to it, yes it could well have addressed all side's. I wish some one would bring out a film about the Boyne and how the Pope supported William, king Billy, it would bring such anomalies to light and maybe educate some of our bigots, but that's a different topic. |
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19 Mar 03 - 09:09 AM (#913330) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: katlaughing Yes, I did see that part and was appalled, though not surprised as I've read of such atrocities. Thanks, Ireland. I'd like to see something about the Boyne etc., too! |
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19 Mar 03 - 12:07 PM (#913528) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching From: mack/misophist Not only did a pope support King Billy, It was Hadrian V (aka Nicholas Breakspeare) that 'gave' Ireland to England. |
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19 Mar 03 - 02:11 PM (#913673) Subject: RE: BS: BBC_America's Rebel Heart - worth watching? From: McGrath of Harlow The only time there's been an English pope too. |