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Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog

20 Mar 03 - 08:26 PM (#914943)
Subject: Origins: rathlin bog
From: GUEST,saehh

Hello,
So a lot of us know the song Rathlin Bog.
However, could anyone tell me if there really is a Rathlin Bog.


20 Mar 03 - 08:40 PM (#914959)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: BanjoRay

I always thought it was Rattlin' Bog, with rattling being a very favorable Irish adjective. There doesn't seem to be a Rathlin in Ireland, or at least Multimap can't find one.
Cheers
Ray


20 Mar 03 - 08:42 PM (#914963)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca

Do you mean "Rattlin' Bog"?

Rattlin' Bog
Rattlin' Bog Irish?


20 Mar 03 - 08:43 PM (#914964)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca

Raithlin Island is in Northern Ireland.


20 Mar 03 - 08:59 PM (#914977)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Eire-IN

Yes, I researched and had also found information on the island, but no reference to a bog on the island. However, it may be a given that there is one.

So what does the Irish adjective rattlin' mean?

I know that when the song is sung it sounds like and is probably written as Rattlin' Bog, but I thought that the island being Raithlin that the lyrics were just a slur


20 Mar 03 - 11:57 PM (#915087)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Blackcatter

I've always wondered about songs like this. Are there really and meanings or traditions behind it? Or - is t just a nonsense song?

I mean, come on - didn't someone write it down from a tradition that goes back hundred or even thousands of years? Guys like me who love singing this type of song have probably singing these songs since the English had even heard of Ireland.


21 Mar 03 - 12:45 AM (#915101)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Malcolm Douglas

Rattling Bog is a localised Irish form of a song that's known in one form or another in a lot of countries across Europe. The family is often called The Tree in the Wood or The Everlasting Circle, and is sung to a good few different tunes and in a good few different languages, but the basic content and the circular form doesn't seem to vary all that much. As we know it now, it doesn't mean a great deal, but essentially the same content also turns up in Asia (for example), where it has been used in Zen parables and the like. That doesn't mean that it's ever had any particularly deep meaning in Europe, but the human fascination with such things certainly goes back a long way.

"Rattling" in Ireland means exactly the same as it means everywhere else, so far as I know. "Rathlin" or "Raithlin" seems to be a misunderstanding, but not all that uncommon among people who have learnt this form of the song since it was popularised by the Clanceys and so on, without ever seeing it written down. The familiar tune is known in Ireland as a polka, in Scotland as a strathspey (John MacAlpin[e]) and in England as a North-West morris dance.


21 Mar 03 - 05:45 AM (#915202)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Nigel Parsons

Also a Traditional Welsh song "Y Pren ar y Bryn" (The Tree on the Hill).
I may transcribe after checking availability elsewhere.
Nigel


21 Mar 03 - 06:27 AM (#915217)
Subject: ADD: Y Pren ar y Bryn
From: Nigel Parsons

Y PREN AR Y BRYN (the tree on the hill)
^^ (Traditional)

1, Ar y bryn 'roedd pren, O bren braf !
Y pren ar y bryn, a'r bryn ar y ddaear, a'r ddaear ar ddim.
Ffeind a braf oedd y bryn lle tyfodd y pren

2, Ar y pren ddaeth cainc, O gainc braf !
Y gainc ar y pren, yr pren ar y bryn, y bryn ar y ddaear, a'r ddaear ar ddim.
Ffeind a braf oedd y bryn lle tyfodd y pren.

3, Ar y gainc daeth nyth, O nyth braf !
Y nyth ar y gainc, y gainc ar y pren, y pren ar y bryn,
Y bryn ar y ddaear, etc.        

4, O'r nyth daeth wy, O wy braf !
Yr wy o'r nyth, y nyth ar y gainc,
Y gainc ar y pren, y pren ar y bryn, Y bryn ar y ddaear, etc.,

5, O'r wy daeth cyw, O gyw braf !
Y cyw o'r wy, yr wy o'r nyth,
Y nyth ar y gainc, y gainc ar y pren, y pren ar y bryn,
Y bryn ar y ddaear, etc.,
        
6, Ar y cyw daeth plu, O blu braf !
Y plu o'r cyw, y cyw o'r wy,
Y wy o'r nyth, y nyth ar y gainc,
Y gainc ar y pren, y pren ar y bryn
Y bryn ar y ddaear, etc.,        

7, O'r plu daeth gwely, O wely braf !
Y gwely o'r plu, y plu o'r cyw,
Y cyw o'r wy, yr wy o'r nyth, y nyth o'r gainc,
Y gainc o'r pren, y pren ar y bryn,
Y bryn ar y ddaear, a'r ddaear ar ddim.
Ffeind a braf oedd y bryn lle tyfodd y pren.

Notes: copied from "Welsh Folk Songs part 1" J Lloyd Williams and L.D.Jones (Llew Tegid)
The notes therein mention "Sung to Mr John Morris by Mr Richard Humphreys, Allt Goch, Festiniog... The idea has probably been borrowed from English sources but the air appears to be Welsh" (Welsh Folk Society Journal 1, p 41)

NP


21 Mar 03 - 06:39 AM (#915227)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Nigel Parsons

From the same source as above, English translation done by 'Llew Tegid': (first and last verse and first lines of intervening!)

1, What a grand old tree, Oh fine tree.
The tree on the hill, the hill in the valley,
The valley by the sea.
Fine and fair was the hill where the old tree grew.

2, From the tree came a bough, Oh fine bough !

3, On the bough came a nest, Oh fine nest !

4, From the nest came an egg, Oh fine egg !

5, From the egg came a bird, Oh fine bird !

6, On the bird came feathers, Oh fone feathers !

7, From the feathers came a bed, Oh fine bed !
The bed from the feathers, the feathers on the bird,
The bird from the egg, The egg from the nest,
The nest on the bough, The bough on the tree,
The tree on the hill, the hill in the valley,
And the valley by the sea.
Fine and fair was the hill where the old tree grew.

Nigel


21 Mar 03 - 07:20 AM (#915239)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: IanC

BTW

Just what's Irish about the use of the word "Rattling"in this context? It's the same as the use of the word in English Boys' Comics from the C19th on "A Rattling Good Yarn".

As Cyril Poacher says:

It's a rare bark, and a rattling bark,
In a bog down in yon valley-o.

:-)


21 Mar 03 - 12:34 PM (#915431)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: CapriUni

Nigel Wrote: (translated from Welsh)

7, From the feathers came a bed, Oh fine bed !

A version of Rattlin' Bog that I learned in highschool, for our May Day celebration, went on from there:

8) and on that bed there was a maid

9) and with that maid there was a man,

10) and from that man there came a babe (I, personally, switch "maid" and "man" for obvious reasons)

11) and from the babe there grew a man

12) and on that man there was an arm

13) and on that arm there was a hand

14) and in that hand there was a seed,

15) and from the seed there grew a tree (a rare tree, a rattlin' tree!)

So it really does go into an "Everlasting Circle" -- and is nearly everlasting to sing; depending on how fast I go, I time the song out at 15-20 minutes to sing all the verses... I play the song through my head when I'm stuck waiting somewhere.


21 Mar 03 - 08:32 PM (#915762)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Blackcatter

CapriUni,

I've added an additional verse past the "gleam in the eye of the bug"

(i)And in that gleam there was the Sun
The rare Sun, the Rattlin' Sun (/i)

To me it brings it back to the source of life for that tree.


21 Mar 03 - 08:43 PM (#915772)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: McGrath of Harlow

"Rattling" in this context means "fine". Nothing to do with Rathlin Island. (I'd be very surprised if that has a bog anyway.)

Incidentally the tune is the one generally used for the Dance "The Siege of Ennis"


22 Mar 03 - 01:46 AM (#915874)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: CapriUni

From Blackcatter: I've added an additional verse past the "gleam in the eye of the bug"

I don't know a version with that line in't... But I like it, and I like your extention.

Where does it fit in?


22 Mar 03 - 11:32 AM (#916010)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Nigel Parsons

With regards the above "Y Pren ar y Bryn" I am not ABC or MIDI competent, but if someone would like to complete the above by adding the tune, I will happily e-mail the three pages of music/words (in stave notation, Key of C, sop & alto, with piano accomp. Sop & Alto music also given in sol-fa)
If so, please PM me. If not, I will try to attack the basic ABC instructions in the not too distant future.

Nigel


22 Mar 03 - 06:13 PM (#916203)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: BUTTERFLY

I would be fairly sure that Rattling Bog has nothing to do with Rathlin Island off the north coast of County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Apparently there must have been some bogs on the island many years ago (ie pre 20th century) but they have long been cut away for fuel. Some of the small lakes on the island may have resulted from peat cutting.

Rathlin was known many hundreds of years ago (ie BC) to one of the Ancient Roman Historians (?Pliny, I think) possibly because there was an axe factory on the island (there is another at Tievebulliagh Mountain near Cushendall in North-east Antrim, not too many miles away). Such axe factories (using local flint, I believe, though I am no expert on this) were very rare, and presumably axes were in great demand all over Europe, for tools and weapons, etc. One old name for Rathlin is Raghery. A peninsula in Lough Neagh in North Armagh, also Northern Ireland, though now known as Raughlan, is marked on some oldish maps (ie 19th century) as "Rathlin Island". Not far away is Coney Island which some claim gave its name to Coney Island in New York, though I believe Coney Island in Co. Down, and Coney Island in Co. Sligo have also claimed this derivation.

"Rattling" can be a term of approval, as in "rattling good yarn", but possibly (and this is just my speculation) in this context it might mean "quaking" or "shaking". A wet peat bog, such as one might find in a valley bottom, tends to quake or shake up and down if you stand still and jump up and down (be careful you don't sink into the water!).

This is also speculation, but I wonder if the well known Yorkshire song "On Ilkley Moor Bat 'hat" (spelling may not be correct) could be regarded as a similar sort of cycle song. Anyway, just enjoy the songs and don't worry too much about the meanings, and don't take any of the speculations above about the meaning of "Rattling", etc, as gospel.


22 Mar 03 - 06:22 PM (#916205)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: greg stephens

Nothing to do with this thread, but I had a very nice lunch once with the archaologists at the dig at the Rathlin stone axe factory. Didn't see any bogs though. Robert the Bruce(or so the locals say) hung out on Rathlin a lot when things werent going well with his campaigns against the English.


03 Oct 03 - 08:34 PM (#1029299)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Nigel Parsons

Refresh (current interest)

Nigel


04 Oct 03 - 08:30 AM (#1029503)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Celtaddict

Here in Connecticut we sing what we refer to as the "James Joyce version" that involves
from the feather there was a bed
in the bed there was a man
on the man there was a woman
in the woman there was a child
on the child there was an arm
on the arm there was a hand
in the hand there was a seed
in the seed there was a tree
I have always liked the full circle effect, the wonderful potentiality of the feather containing the bed and the seed containing the tree, and the fact that the woman is on top.


11 Jul 08 - 05:49 AM (#2386389)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: GUEST,Susan Potts

Am interested to know if the Welsh form (Y Pren ar y Bryn) can be traced back to at least the 1500s: I suspect this kind of song goes back for ever but in Wales there was a cut off in the 1760s & it's hard to leap back over that. I want to find out if local composer Thomas Tomkins, b 1572 in S Davids, Pembrokeshire, would or could have known/ heard it. I'd be v glad to have any evidence of its existence then, therefore.

V interesting to hear it's not only in this part of the world but across Asia etc, too: its being so widespread adds to view that it's been around a long time ...

I can Sibelius the music & send it as an attachment to an email address but have never dealt with this form of thread before; perhaps I'm in the same boat as Nigel P.

Susan Potts


10 Aug 09 - 03:46 PM (#2697142)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: GUEST,BUTTERFLY

RARE BOG, THE RATTLIN' BOG, THE BOG DOWN IN THE VALLEY-O


10 Aug 09 - 05:15 PM (#2697227)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Jack Campin

The tune was known in the early 19th century in Scotland as "March to the Battlefield".

Is the *tune* known from an older source from anywhere else? It doesn't sound like a very old one.


10 Aug 09 - 05:16 PM (#2697229)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Phil Edwards

The "full circle" version is in the Wicker Man - do we know if it predated the film?

Looking back at Nigel's version, my Welsh isn't good enough to read through the whole thing, but I did notice that

"a'r bryn ar y ddaear, a'r ddaear ar ddim"
translates literally not as
"the hill in the valley, the valley by the sea"
but as
"the hill on the world, the world on nothing"
which is pleasantly blunt. (But then, the Welsh R. Blunt.)


11 Aug 09 - 02:02 AM (#2697479)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Paul Burke

Heresy! Four elephants, a turtle, then nothing!


03 Oct 10 - 08:05 PM (#2999034)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: GUEST

ok Rathlin is a place in Ireland...
It's an Island off of the north coast of ireland.

And rattlin' isn't an irish slang adjective... :P


04 Oct 10 - 10:35 AM (#2999342)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Steve Gardham

And you can also look at the several variants on garlands and broadsides under various titles. One at least available online is a later one printed by Pearson of Manchester, Bodleian, Firth, c26 (260)
titled 'Where the green leaves grows all around. But I have a version c1800 titled 'The Tree on the Hill' from a garland. It's pretty obvious they all come from oral tradition and as someone has already pointed out the song is known in various parts of Europe and must be at least 3 centuries old.


07 Jul 14 - 05:59 PM (#3639935)
Subject: Origins: Rattling Bog?
From: Mr Red

We picked some grass that looked like a miniature lantern. It was said to be Rattle Grass.

Is this the reason the bog was a rattling bog?

Just a thought.


07 Jul 14 - 06:50 PM (#3639946)
Subject: RE: Origins: Rattling Bog?
From: Banjo-Flower

BG Did you smoke it

Gerry


07 Jul 14 - 06:57 PM (#3639949)
Subject: RE: Origins: Rattling Bog?
From: Jack Campin

I once went on a botanizing walk in Transylvania with a local expert who pointed to a meadow dominated by what looked like the same stuff - he said (via an interpreter from Hungarian) that it was locally known as "useless plant" or "cursed plant", and the meadow we were looking at was traditionally believed to have been accursed with it after a bishop was murdered there a few centuries before.

When does the tune for "The Rattling Bog" date from? It was known in Scotland as "March to the Battlefield" in the 1830s.


08 Jul 14 - 03:22 AM (#3640013)
Subject: RE: Origins: Rattling Bog?
From: Mr Red

Wiki on Rattlin' Bog says "popular Irish song" which just means it was sung there IMHO. Origin still unknown.
Song Meanings .com are even less helpful.
The most edifying reference I can see is (guess where) here on the 'Cat.
Rathlin' Bog so I will add my 6 pen'th.


08 Jul 14 - 03:27 AM (#3640015)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog
From: Mr Red

Mudcat thread with more normal spelling where I posit the concept of a grass known (in the UK at least) as "Rattle Grass" and it would appear to thrive in damp conditions. And is pretty gregarious - see
Rattle Grass Whaddayareckon?


08 Jul 14 - 03:53 AM (#3640019)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Geoff the Duck

If your grass is this one Briza maxima - Greater quaking grass - the growing conditions quoted for it are "well drained soil", so very unlikely to be found anywhere near a bog.

There are Quaking Bogs, where water is covered by a thick mat of mosses and other plants and the whole surface moves up and down if you walk on it. I have even seen small trees waving about as the medium they are growing in moves. That said a quaking bog would not be "rattling".

I have always assumed the same usage as having a "rattling good time" (Dictionary definition number 2. That said - not sure what is really good about a bog?

Quack!
GtD.


08 Jul 14 - 04:17 AM (#3640028)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST,Eliza

Wasn't a song similar to this sung in that weird film The Wicker Man? I seem to remember a circle of boys swinging their arms in an odd way and dancing self-consciously in a ring.


08 Jul 14 - 04:25 AM (#3640030)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST,Eliza

Yes! In answer to my own question (I've just looked it up!) it's called The Maypole Song and was written for the film by Paul Giovanni. It's on Youtube, and the lyrics are very similar to the Rattling Bog type of song.


08 Jul 14 - 07:02 AM (#3640075)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Jack Campin

I suspect "rattle grass" is usually Rhinanthus minor.

It's a weird plant and I doubt it can have had many positive associations in traditional culture. So I doubt it relates to the song.


08 Jul 14 - 10:25 AM (#3640147)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST,leeneia

I agree with you, Jack.

This thread has got me to thinking about words which end in 'ing' and have little real meaning. Instead, they are used in traditional ways to express either approval or disapproval. Examples:

a brand *spanking-new automobile
a *bouncing baby boy (who might be too little even to raise his head)
a *corking great festival

or

a *bleeding great rhinoceros head a-mounted on a board!
a huge, *hulking, ugly yacht

and of course, the working man's all-purpose adjective, f*cking.
=========
To me, the interesting thing about 'The Rattling Bog' is that it's a song for teaching. We sing it with children, and we are not only having fun and passing the time, we are teaching them language and order (from big to small) and memory skills.

Those are probably the reasons why the song is widespread and has lasted so long.


08 Jul 14 - 12:50 PM (#3640205)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Mrrzy

THis is fascinating - Iknow several versions of the Tree in the hole and the hole in the ground and the green grass growing all around all around and the green grass growing all around... and NONE of them are circular! They all go from big to tiny but not to the seed to regrow the tree! Wow!


08 Jul 14 - 01:56 PM (#3640241)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST,Mysha (on board)

Hi,

I always took this to be "rattling", like a single bean, pea, screw, whatever, rattles in its container. So, a single/lone bog, containing a single/lone tree, etc.

Bye
                                                                Mysha


05 Feb 19 - 09:53 PM (#3975045)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Joe Offer

From an email I received today:
    The reason I happened to log onto Mudcat was because I was looking for my father's version of "The Rattling Bog". In my father's version he always used the word "curious" instead of "rattlin" as in ----- A rare branch and a curious branch ------- a rare twig and a curious twig ----- etc, etc. I'm absolutely positive that he always sung it to us as children using the word curious but alas I cannot find any trace of his version on the net which surprises me.
    Seán


I've never heard "curious" - has anyone here heard a version with "a rare branch and a curious branch?"

-Joe-


06 Feb 19 - 03:08 AM (#3975065)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Thompson

Rathlin (nothing to do with the song, afaik) is an island off the northeast coast of Ireland and the site of the 1575 mass murder of 200 defenders and 400 others, the extended family of Somhairle Buí MacDonnell - women, babies, little children, old people, who had hidden on the island in its caves, etc. Francis Drake led the butcheries. The Earl of Essex later described how Somhairle, held on the shore 100 yards away to watch, was “like to run mad from sorrow”.


06 Feb 19 - 03:48 AM (#3975071)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Jim McLean

This is my English translation of a Breton song called the the Pretty Field, printed mid 19th century.


The cock is on the tower, the tower is on the convent, the convent is on the monk, the monk is on the nun, the nun is on the feather, the feather is on the little bird, the little bird is on the egg, the egg is on the nest, the nest is on the branch, the branch is on the oak (tree), the oak is on the acorn, the acorn is on the embankment, the embankment is on the field, and the field belongs to me!
And everything belongs to me!


06 Feb 19 - 05:02 AM (#3975082)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST

I first heard this c. 1966/7 in my home town of Peebles in the Scottish Borders. We had "Saturday morning pictures" which some times featured live music, notably local beat group The Livewires. Sometimes we had a young lady folk singer who I think was involved with the Girl Guides. She used to sing "Rattling Bog" I always thought the "Rare bog, a rattling bog" meant a bog of some quality and distinction (by bog standards) She sang; In the valley was a bog, a rare bog a rattling bog and the bog's down in the valley o.
Then; In the bog there was a tree
And on the tree there was a branch
And on the branch there was a twig
And on the twig there was a leaf
And on the leaf there was a nest
And on the nest there was an egg
And on the egg there was a bird

Can't remember any more than that!

I think Bill Barclay did a ruder version which had the lines
On the bed there was a woman
And on the woman was a man
And on the man there was some sweat!

All this from memory.

Grahame Hood


06 Feb 19 - 05:14 AM (#3975085)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST

One of those songs that make me groan every time somebody starts it off. It does however provide an excellent excuse to get up and go to the bar, so it does serve a purpose I suppose.


06 Feb 19 - 06:05 AM (#3975090)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Maoildeirg

I would not be surprised if someone told me the word Rattlin was relatively new to that part of the song and that the word Curious had previously been used because it fits far better than the word "Rattlin", especially in a musical sense.


06 Feb 19 - 07:54 AM (#3975105)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Mrrzy

Memory songs, like the house that jack built.


06 Feb 19 - 07:09 PM (#3975208)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman

I first heard "Rattlin' Bog" on an LP record by Seamus Ennis, on Tradition? label I believe, in the late 1950s, and loved it for its great difference from "Green Grass Growin' All Around," its US successor.

I know of no recorded source before Ennis, so unless someone else can turn up an earlier source, this may be it.

I imagine it may have appeared in some Irish collection before that, but being a Yank I could easily have missed it.

Great song!!

Bob


07 Feb 19 - 06:06 AM (#3975249)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Manitas_at_home

Wasn't it in the 1940 (or 1951?) film of Tom Brown's Schooldays?


07 Feb 19 - 07:28 AM (#3975266)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: mayomick

"Curious" is close to what I always took the word “rattling” in the song to mean .Is there an Irish word that sounds like rattling that means curious , rare, strange , odd, magical, mysterious , unusual ?


07 Feb 19 - 11:09 AM (#3975314)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: leeneia

My unabridged dictionary says of 'rattling'

1. given to rattling, hence fast
2. Colloquial: fast, speedy, hence remarkable, good, etc

It may be that when the song was new, the phrase 'rattling bog' was humorous in and of itself, because how could a bog rattle? Over the decades we've got used to it.


09 Feb 19 - 11:26 AM (#3975708)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: Sian H

My group is called Rattlebag, and we sing folk songs acappella. We always say we are rattling though songs when we notice we have sung them fast. If we think a song is dragging, we say it's time to rattle it up.


10 Feb 19 - 10:54 AM (#3975906)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: leeneia

Makes sense.


12 Feb 19 - 12:15 PM (#3976369)
Subject: RE: Origins: rathlin bog / Rattlin' Bog / Rattling Bog
From: mayomick

It doesn't make sense of the use of the word "rattling" in the song though.A bog is soft and squelchy, it doesn't rattle.If you walk across a bog it will slow you down, not speed you up.In Ireland we say about an enjoyable occasion that people had "a rattling good time" so it could be to do with that - by all accounts , everybody enjoyed a good day or a "rattling good time" in the bog at turf -cutting time. But that would be a stretch .