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27 Mar 03 - 10:25 AM (#919644) Subject: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST,Sheila In this song, every line rhymes so precisely.Then comes the verse, "Say, dainty nymphs and speak, shall we play barley-break." Are speak and break pronounced differently than in common English, or were they once? By the way, checking the threads on this song gave understanding to "barley-break" (thank you, Malcolm) - the hyphen clarifies what always puzzled me and I thought non-sensical. |
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27 Mar 03 - 10:32 AM (#919649) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: MMario it doesn't take much of a vowel shift. |
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27 Mar 03 - 10:38 AM (#919652) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: Malcolm Douglas Standard pronounciation has changed quite a bit over the centuries, but old rhymes are often retained in poetic diction long after they have been dropped in normal usage ("find" and "wind", for example). In this case, though, the words will have rhymed quite comfortably when they were written; in the 18th century, for example, "tea" was generally pronouced "tay" (approximately), and I'd think that much the same would be true of "speak" in this case. The older pronounciation persists in a number of regional dialects of English. |
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27 Mar 03 - 10:38 AM (#919653) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: IanC As you seem to have surmised, the game can be pronounced Barley-Breek. :-) |
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27 Mar 03 - 11:00 AM (#919676) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: Dave Bryant Or "Speak" can be pronounced "Spake". |
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27 Mar 03 - 11:04 AM (#919682) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: MMario or the two can be pronounced "speck" and "breck" - all have probably been correct at some point in the last 4 or 5 hundred years. |
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27 Mar 03 - 11:05 AM (#919684) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: Malcolm Douglas Either is possible, but the common spelling Barley-Brake would tend to support the latter suggestion, I think (see also my previous post). |
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27 Mar 03 - 11:06 AM (#919687) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: Malcolm Douglas Cross-posted with MMario there. |
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27 Mar 03 - 12:26 PM (#919769) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST Thomas Morley (1557-1602) |
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27 Mar 03 - 12:31 PM (#919773) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST,JohnB What I was trying to say above was "the words will have rhymed quite comfortably when they were written; in the 18th century" try a little earlier. More info on Morley here JohnB |
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27 Mar 03 - 12:46 PM (#919795) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: Malcolm Douglas Note the semi-colon in my post, which separates the statements. I was not suggesting that the song was written in the 18th century; merely providing a well-known and (to my mind) pertinent example of an earlier pronounciation of the ea sound. The sound as Morley probably pronounced it is harder to represent without using phonetic symbols, which is why I used the tea/tay example. He himself will never have drunk tea as we know it. |
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27 Mar 03 - 12:47 PM (#919796) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: IanC All the above accepted. However, though the game is ancient (it was first documented in the reign of King Edward III) it is not antique. By this I mean that it was certainly played until recently, and I strongly suspect (see below) still is. It is, of course, a "country" game as the apparatus is available there (though it could be played in towns under the right circumstances). As a child, I played this game. Two variants (none essentially involved couples) - one when there weren't that many people, where you swapped "it" when you caught someone - one for more people, where anybody "caught" joined in. Occasionally called by its name ("Barley Break" pron. "Breek" though we'd normally pronounce the word "Break" in any other context). It was a summer game and not very often played. Usually in the fields after harvest, when there were blocks of bales and individual ones lying around. We'd move the bales to form a barrier with a gap. There was no specific designated "area", people had to just try and get past you. The different concepts of "hell" and "home" (sometimes "base") were known but we didn't much use the terms (what need?). I think it is probably still played occasionally. The reason I say this is that last year, when we had some special Jubilee things in the village, there was a field with marquee and straw bales. In the evening there was a concert in the marquee and as dusk fell there were about half a dozen pre-teens and young teens who had moved the bales and were playing "catch" in the same way. I recognised it as "Barley Break" and didn't it bring back some memories! Childrens games are not passed down by generation, but from slightly older kids. They are amazingly tenacious in the right circumstances. I don't know if the kids know all the terms, and I'm unlikely to get much chance to ask them, but I suspect they do - as we did. I wonder how many people think traditions are dead who just haven't had the chance to see them being carried on in their right environment? :-) |
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27 Mar 03 - 02:31 PM (#919909) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST,Sheila Thanks for these wonderful shared memories and all the erudition, |
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28 Mar 03 - 04:26 AM (#920302) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: IanC Last night I went home and asked my 16 year old daughter about the game. I described the historical form and asked her if she played it. "Oh yes", she said "that's Circle-E". She explained it was so-called because of the circle painted on the Ashwell School playground which they used for the game. She didn't know "hell" nor the name "Barley Break" (which is a pity, I think) but she did say it was "an Ashwell game" in the sense that it wan't played in her other schools (at Letchworth or Baldock), both nearby, but both small town schools. By the way "Prisoner's Base", which my older children called "Homey" is now called "Dungeons and Dragons", according to Caroline. :-) |
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28 Mar 03 - 04:57 AM (#920315) Subject: RE: Now is the Month of Maying From: nutty There is a lovely history site here which includes both words and MP3 for this song and others Click Here |
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25 Jan 08 - 03:53 PM (#2244839) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Nutty, could you check that site URL again? |
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13 Jan 12 - 06:35 PM (#3290267) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST Is anyone on this list familiar with a May round whose words include: The snow is on the hill and the wind is growing chill, Is it May, merry May, I wonder. It was in a Canadian elementary school book in the 1940s. The tune is lovely. I'd love to find the music and the complete lyrics for it. |
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14 Jan 12 - 01:14 AM (#3290393) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: MGM·Lion The C18 pronunciation of '-ea-' is exemplified by this famous couplet ~~ Here thou, great Anna! whom three realms obey, Dost sometimes counsel take — and sometimes tea. The Rape of the Lock: (Canto 3) 1712, by Alexander Pope ~Michael~ |
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14 Jan 12 - 07:03 AM (#3290470) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: Max Johnson Interestingly, there's a nice 1970s recording of 'Threadbare' singing 'Now Is The Month Of Maying' on www.lostfolktapes.com |
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14 Jan 12 - 11:00 AM (#3290554) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST,leeneia Hello, Guest. You should start a new thread and call it something like "tune Req: the snow is on the hill." Right now your request is buried in posts about a different song, and no one will notice it. |
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13 Sep 12 - 10:54 AM (#3403886) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Refresh- I'm teaching Renaissance dance to 7th grade Waldorf students this semester, and am enjoying all the variants of the game "barley break" I'm finding. Particularly interested to see that it's still going on! Any other input? |
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21 Mar 21 - 05:41 PM (#4098683) Subject: Lyr Add: Now is the Month of Maying From: Nigel Parsons Despite the discussion above I can't find the whole song in Mudcat. So here is how it appears in "Singing Together". ________________ NOW IS THE MONTH OF MAYING Ballet by Thomas Morley (1595) 1,Now is the month of maying, When merry lads are playing, Fa la la la la la la la la Fa la la la la la la. Each with his bonny lass, A- dancing on the grass. Fa la la la la Fa la la la la la la, Fa la la la la 2,The Spring, clad all in gladness, Doth laugh at Winter’s sadness, Fa la la la la la la la la Fa la la la la la la. And to the bagpipe’s sound, The nymphs tread out their ground. Fa la la la la Fa la la la la la la, Fa la la la la 3,Fye then, why sit we musing, Sweet youth’s delights refusing? Fa la la la la la la la la Fa la la la la la la. Say, dainty nymphs, and speak, Shall we play barley-break? Fa la la la la Fa la la la la la la, Fa la la la la X: 1 T:Month of maying M:4/4 L:1/4 S: Singing Together Summer 1953 Z: NP 21 March 2021 K:G ||G | GGAA| B2BG | B3/ A/ B^c | d2d A/B/ | ccBG | AFDd/c/ | BcAA | G2z| B| Add^c| d3 A| ccBB| A2zd/c/| BGd2| D/E/ F/G/ A/B/ c| B3/ c/ BA| G2z|| w: 1,Now is the month of may-ing, When mer-ry lads are play-ing, Fa la la la la la la la la Fa la la la la la la. Each with his bon-ny lass, A- danc-ing on the grass. Fa la la la la Fa la la la la la la, Fa la la la la Sourced from "Singing Together" Summer Term 1953, from the BBC Broadcasts for Schools series. Noted there as From 'The National Song Book' (Boosey & Hawkes Ltd) As ever, the tune may be seen as a PDF, or heard as a Midi by copying the above (from 'X:1' to the final 'la') into an ABC converter such as the one at Mandolintab The last line of the first verse 'a-dancing on the grass' appears in other sources as "Upon the greening (or greeny) grass". Singing Together also advises that A Ballet was an Elizabethan part-song with a 'Fa-la-la' chorus. The final 't' is pronounced NP |
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21 Mar 21 - 08:17 PM (#4098695) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: GUEST,# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_Is_the_Month_of_Maying Song history at that link. |
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22 Mar 21 - 12:28 PM (#4098747) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: leeneia The way I learned it was Each with his bonny lass, upon the greeny grass. |
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22 Mar 21 - 01:27 PM (#4098757) Subject: RE: Info Req: Now is the Month of Maying From: Nigel Parsons Leeneia, yes, I was quoting direct from "Singing Together", but did mention that line in the notes at the bottom. Cheers |