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30 Mar 03 - 10:50 AM (#921749) Subject: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: millie I know that the lyrics for this are listed under Mudcat, but I wondered if anybody knows the story behind it. The shearing appears to be sheep shearing because her back wont bend, but where do the troops come into it? One lins says the troops do march away and he's obviously going? Was the shearing a war? Please help |
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30 Mar 03 - 10:56 AM (#921757) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: DMcG The notes in the DT talk about a rape. I don't think there's much doubt that the girl is pregnant by one of the departing soldiers. |
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30 Mar 03 - 11:33 AM (#921783) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: GUEST The song appeared in chapbooks in northern England (Yorkshire and Northumberland) about 1800, but usually with a slightly defective text. |
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30 Mar 03 - 12:28 PM (#921836) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Marje She can't take part in the sheep-shearing because she's pregnant. Some verses suggest that she had sex against her will. The man is a soldier, who is leaving her to go back to his regiment, so that's why the departure of the troops is mentioned. |
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30 Mar 03 - 02:21 PM (#921911) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: McGrath of Harlow Nothing to do with shearing sheep. As I understand it, the word is really "sharing" - the cooperative farming process in her part of the world. She's not on for hard manual labour right now, because she's well on in pregnancy. |
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31 Mar 03 - 02:15 AM (#922263) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford working The shearing is indeed the harvest. Belly overfull, Keith. |
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31 Mar 03 - 11:19 AM (#922588) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Willie-O Well, the sheep shearing is part of that process, ennit? And requires bending and sheep wrasslin and all that good stuff. If you want to look at it from a sociological viewpoint, it's someone telling the lass that she's not going to the shearing, or the sharing, or any other social gathering, mostly cause people will talk about her shameful condition. Pregnant women always have done whatever physical work they needed to do, it's not like they're not capable. And there's all kinds of tasks needing doing at any such get-together, some more physically strenuous than others. Willie-O |
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31 Mar 03 - 11:49 AM (#922616) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: McGrath of Harlow I don't think that's the time of year they'd be shearing sheep. |
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31 Mar 03 - 01:07 PM (#922691) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: GUEST,Mac Tattie The shearing is the cutting ,binding and stacking of wheat, barly or oats. See also "The Band Of Shearers" and "Johnny Sangster". Sheep were clipped. Cheers. |
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31 Mar 03 - 03:45 PM (#922832) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: millie Many thanks for all your help, appreciate it. |
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31 Mar 03 - 05:59 PM (#922953) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Barry Finn There was an old thread on this song way back in time, interesting too. Barry |
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31 Mar 03 - 06:07 PM (#922963) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: lamarca Leaboy's Lassie contains a similar reference to shearing - "Oh, my back is sair, Frae shearin' Craigie's corn..." describing the backbreaking work of bending down to cut the grain by hand, a task that would be impossible if you were going on 7-9 months pregnant...hence, "The shearin's nae for you..." |
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31 Mar 03 - 06:08 PM (#922965) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: DonMeixner Seamus Kennedy does a grand job of this song on one of his CDs. But then he does a grand job of everything on all his CDs. Don |
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09 Mar 06 - 03:58 AM (#1688926) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Bronzewing Does anyone know another version of this song including the words 'tak the buckle frae yer shoe' ' |
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09 Mar 06 - 08:01 AM (#1689084) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Bat Goddess The 'tak the buckle frae yer shoe' verses are included (usually in versions leaving out the "where ye said ye would me kill if ya didna hae your will" and "I'll no kill you deid/I'll marry you with speed" verses) in some recorded versions of the song. I think they are another, though related song. I first ran into them in a '60s (maybe '70s) recording of the Fisher Family that married two fragments -- "What's Poor Mary Weeping For" and "Tak the Buckles From Your Shoes" etc. Linn |
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17 Jul 08 - 01:05 PM (#2391525) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Jay777 Still a newbie, so apologies for resurrecting old threads- they're new to me! My late father collated hundreds of song lyrics, many from the 1940s, most handwritten or typed by him from listening to the radio. However, his copy of The Shearing's Not for You (lyrics and music), appears to be a photocopy of pages 104 & 105 of a book- but I don't know which book! The notes at the end say: This song, with its fine melody, was rewritten early last century {the 1800s, presumably} by Thomas Lyle as a highflown song beginning "Let us haste to Kelvingrove, bonnie lassie o", and since then it has been widely known as Kelvingrove. The present text contains probably the greater part of the original song collated from two early 19th-century York broadsides (both of which are, however, garbled in places); but the first stanza may have been added by the printer, since there are indications that the song began with the title-line originally. The tune is a modified version of the one published in Smith's Scottish Minstral with Lyle's rewrite. Incidentally, it has "Your back it winna bow" (not bou as in some versions I've seen): bow as in bend, but dad always pronounced it boo when he sang it. I can provide all the lyrics of this published version, if anyone's interested. |
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17 Jul 08 - 01:24 PM (#2391542) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Willie-O Feel free to dig up old music threads Jay, that's why they're still accessible. I'd be curious to see your lyrics, I'm wondering if they're the same as sung by the Tannahill Weavers, the only recorded version I've heard. W-O |
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17 Jul 08 - 01:35 PM (#2391555) Subject: Lyr Add: KELVIN GROVE From: GUEST,leeneia Here are the words to the Kelvin Grove song. It sounds like this song is the first appearance of the tune. They make a good song if you scrape off some of the frosting. Let us haste to Kelvin Grove, bonnie lassie, O Thro' its mazes let us rove, bonnie lassie, O Where the roses in their pride Deck the bonnie dingle side Where the midnight fairies glide, bonnie lassie, O. Let us wander by the mill, bonnie lassie, O To the cove beside the rill, bonnie lassie, O Where the glens rebound the call Of the roaring waters' fall Thro' the mountains rocky hall, bonnie lassie, O. Oh, Kelvin banks are fair, bonnie lassie, O When the summer we are there, bonnie lassie, O There the Maypink's crimson plume Throws a soft but sweet perfume Round the yellow banks o' broom, bonnie lassie, O. Tho' I dare not call thee mine, bonnie lassie, O As the smile of fortune's thine, bonnie lassie, O Yet with fortune on my side I could stay thy father's pride And win thee for my bride, bonnie lassie, O. But the frowns of fortune lour, bonnie lassie, O On thy lover at this hour, bonnie lassie, O Ere you golden orb of day Wake the warblers on the spray From this land I must away, bonnie lassie, O. Then farewell to Kelvin Grove, bonnie lassie, O And adieu to all I love, bonnie lassie, O To the river winding clear To the fragrant scented brier Even to thee of all most dear, bonnie lassie, O. When upon a foreign shore, bonnie lassie, O Should I fall midst battle's roar, bonnie lassie, O Then, Helen, should'st thou hear Of thy lover on his bier To his memory shed a tear, bonnie lassie, O. |
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17 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM (#2391564) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Barry Finn Hi Jay77 I would love to see the lyrics that your father had collected too. I love the song, it's got quite a beautiful melody. There's been a bit of discussion on this in the past. I believe the rape verses have been covered along with the "buckles on the shoe" & "dancing" & the "frock for your lad" verses have also been covered. Would love to haer more though if you can add to what's already been put forth. Thanks Barry |
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17 Jul 08 - 02:03 PM (#2391586) Subject: Lyr Add - The Shearing's Not For You From: Jay777 THE SHEARING'S NOT FOR YOU (As rewritten by Thomas Lyle in the 19th century.) It was in the month of May my bonny lassie o (X2) It was in the month of May When the flowers they were gay And the lambs did sport and play, my bonny lassie o CHORUS: O the shearing's not for you, my bonny lassie o No the shearing's not for you, my bonny lassie o The shearing's not for you For your back it winna bow And your belly's rolling fu', my bonny lassie o Don't you mind on yonder hill, my bonnie laddie o (X2) Don't you mind on yonder hill When you swore you would me kill If you did not get your will, my bonny laddie o Don't you mind the banks of Ayr, my bonny laddie o (X2) Don't you mind the banks of Ayr When you drew me in your snare And you left me in despair, my bonny laddie o Tis you may kill me dead, my bonny laddie o (X2) Tis I'll not kill you dead Nor make your body bleed Nor marry you with speed, my bonny lassie o The fifes do sweetly play, my bonny lassie o (X2) The fifes do sweetly play And the troops do march away And it's here I will not stay, my bonny lassie o CHORUS (Punctuation, and lack of, exactly as published). JB |
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17 Jul 08 - 02:11 PM (#2391595) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Barry Finn Thanks Jay77 Barry |
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17 Jul 08 - 02:29 PM (#2391612) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Jack Blandiver My favourite version of this right now is Ian McKone's - it's still up at his myspace page http://www.myspace.com/ianmckone. First heard it when he came into one of the Durham Folk Party singarounds a couple of years back and I had tears in my eyes! Sedayne |
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17 Jul 08 - 03:10 PM (#2391644) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Jay777 No probs, Barry- I'd actually typed them before I saw your post! Dad used to sing me to sleep with it (and songs like Tom Dooley and Hang on the Bell, Nellie- but I never had nightmares!). Not exactly a lullaby, but I've always loved the tune too. I have about 300 song lyrics (no music, and not all folk by any means) that dad typed out, probably around 1950. I know many of the songs, but there are a lot I don't (and I was brought up with music from the cradle). Might anyone be interested in them? Maybe someone who entertains old folk? I'm in Cornwall, England. |
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17 Jul 08 - 03:19 PM (#2391652) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Amos Jay: Welcome to the Mudcat. Sounds like you have much of value to contribute. A |
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17 Jul 08 - 11:48 PM (#2391805) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Barry Finn I sang my kids to that song too Jay, they didn't have nightmares either, they loved the bloody stuff. The only time they cried was when the singing started for them they knew it was bedtime. Barry |
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18 Jul 08 - 03:19 AM (#2391848) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Jim Lad Thanks Jay. That version goes well with "She's Like The Swallow". Think I'll larn it darn it! |
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18 Jul 08 - 09:17 AM (#2392041) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Jim I Your dad got the xsong from "The Seeds of Love"compiled and edited by Stephen Sedley in assoc with the EFDS, London 1967. |
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30 Mar 09 - 11:16 PM (#2600944) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: Jim Dixon In The Popular Songs of Scotland with Their Appropriate Melodies by George Farquhar Graham, revised by J. Muir Wood (Edinburgh: J. Muir Wood and Co., 1887), the editor says, in a footnote to KELVIN GROVE: "The original name of the air was, 'O the shearin's no for you,' which was the first line of a song now deservedly forgotten." [Indeed, I am unable to find any lyrics to this song in old Scottish songbooks digitized by Google.--JD] |
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07 Jun 09 - 04:19 AM (#2650394) Subject: RE: Origins: O the Shearing's Not For You From: GUEST,nic Interesting to see others sing their babies to sleep with this song. I have always used it to sing my son to sleep, and he still asks me to sing it sometimes (he's 10). Like you said, not exactly a lullaby, but something about it. I sing a more tame version of it, the one found on Sheena Wellington's album Strong Women: http://new.music.yahoo.com/sheena-wellington/albums/strong-women-live-at-nitten-folk-club--98923 I've wondered about the meaning of the line "when I played on your machine." I have a guess about the meaning, but... |