02 Apr 03 - 11:49 AM (#924552) Subject: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: JohnnyBeezer Well, I'd just like to say to the psychotic wanker/s who desecrated those graves in Etaples. These brave young guys died in a just war so that TWATS like you can daub this kind of scum on their graves. Anytime, Anywhere you COWARDLY FUCK!! Johnny N |
02 Apr 03 - 11:52 AM (#924555) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: GUEST,Forum Lurker A link to or description of the story you're talking about would be quite helpful. |
02 Apr 03 - 11:58 AM (#924560) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: McGrath of Harlow There are people like that everywhere. Not many of them, but too many. Here is a link. - French plea as cemetery defaced |
02 Apr 03 - 12:02 PM (#924562) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Troll Here ya go, fresh from The Drudge Report. SICK French yobs daubed a swastika and vile anti-war slurs at a cemetery for 11,000 British troops. The showpiece cenotaph at the graveyard in Northern France was smeared in red paint with the words: "Dig up your rubbish. It's fouling our soil." Other slogans at the Etaples cemetery near Boulogne included "Death to the Yankees" and "Saddam Hussein will win and spill your blood." And the vandals wrote "Rosbeefs go home" — the French insult for Brits is roast-beefs. Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George Bush were also branded war criminals. The graffiti was discovered by a shocked gardener and spotted by around 80 visitors. It was cleaned off the same day. Roy Hemmington — spokesman for the Commonwealth War Graves Commission — said: "We are deeply offended. This is the strongest language and most vile graffiti I have witnessed at a war graves cemetery. "The suggestion that the bodies of soldiers who died for France should be dug up is particularly foul." Most soldiers buried at the cemetery were defending France at the Somme and Ypres during World War I. Another 122 are troops who died fighting the Nazis in World War II. Among the dead are a winner of the Victoria Cross, 217 holders of the Military Medal and 69 holders of the Military Cross. A number had been awarded France's top military decoration, the Legion d'Honneur. Roy added: "Almost every British regiment has war dead here. This insults just about the entire British Army." Anti-British feeling has been whipped up in France since President Jacques Chirac refused to let the UN back action against Iraq. Last night Jim Kelleher, chief clerk to the Royal Fusiliers Association, said: "No sane person would do this. It is a disgrace. I have family buried in France and if I could get my hands on whoever did this I'd bury them too." Jeremy Lillies, of the Royal British Legion, added: "It is distressing." The Sun's Military Adviser Major-General Perkins said: "It is despicable." Appalled local MP Jacques Lang said: "It is an attack on the memory of the British and American soldiers who contributed to the liberation of our soil." Police captain Thibault Martin added: "It is sick and cowardly." The shocking news comes as a new poll reveals that a third of the French want SADDAM to win the war. (italics mine) A massive 78 per cent of 1,000 people in the poll by French newspaper Le Monde disapproved of the Allied action. But 16 per cent "really wish for" a Coalition victory — while 37 per cent said they would prefer one. Happy to be of service. troll Here ya go, fresh from The Drudge Report. |
02 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM (#924655) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Kim C That sure ain't very nice. I think there's a special place in hell for people like that. A couple of years ago, near Columbia, TN, some drunk teenagers vandalized a historic church and its cemetery. They turned over headstones, broke into the church, and pushed the organ over the railing. (the organ was up in the balcony) Some people have WAY too much time on their hands. |
02 Apr 03 - 02:49 PM (#924706) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: John MacKenzie A red letter day for the Francophobes, and a sad day for the rest of us. Giok |
02 Apr 03 - 04:15 PM (#924737) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: McGrath of Harlow That link I gave gives a fuller version than the Drudge report does - with pictures of the vandalism as well. Worth noting that the graffiti included a swastika - not clear whether that was neo-nazis putting down their trademark, or if it was intended to refer to Bush and Blair. |
02 Apr 03 - 04:44 PM (#924757) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Troll Drudge has the pics but I don't know how to cut 'n paste them. troll |
02 Apr 03 - 05:02 PM (#924771) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Ireland Second go at this post. The swastika was in the form of the Buddhist peace symbol. Strange how people advocate peace and in the same time wish harm on others. |
02 Apr 03 - 07:59 PM (#924896) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: McGrath of Harlow You mean it was back to front? That's a pretty common error people make when they aren't too used to drawing swastika (they have it looking as if it's rotating clockwise rather than anti-clockwise.) U don't think it was meant as a peace symbol of any kind! It's very strange what happened to this symbol - back in the 20s the Chinese Red Cross used to make use of it, and of course classic editions of Rudyard Kipling used to have it on the cover, because it was widely used in India as a sign of goodwill. Sometimes with the arms going one way, and sometimes the other way. |
03 Apr 03 - 03:00 AM (#925061) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: GUEST,Boab Aye, disgusting. But before we go off ranting about the perfidy of te French, let's get things in pespective; one warped nutter could have accomplished this on his own. I bet a goodly number of the French folks in the area would happily give the culprit[s] a public flogging. |
03 Apr 03 - 05:41 AM (#925113) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Ireland Your right Boab, I do not think that this type of vandalism has any support in France. McG of H I understand your point,I did not know of the difference myself,it was pointed out on some TV show, that its configuration was that of the peace sign. I assumed that this was used with reference to the war from peace protestors. (Have you been watching the UK History chn.? A lot of shows revisiting Vietnam, one on My Lai was quite interesting.) |
03 Apr 03 - 06:00 AM (#925119) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Troll Doesn't the Swastika resemble the Cross of St Olaf or some such? I know that it has been used in the East for centuries. troll |
03 Apr 03 - 05:02 PM (#925536) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: GUEST,Casual Observer It's also an old Southwestern symbol - Navajo, I think, but I could be mistaken - sometimes you will see it on vintage saddles and woven rugs and tapestries. |
04 Apr 03 - 02:27 PM (#926247) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Ebbie Here in this house museum where I live is a basket collection. One fairly large basket has a colored swastika woven in, taking visitors somewhat aback. I explain that the basket predates the 30s and 40s by generations. We have a copper spoon with the same symbol. As someone said, Hitler despoiled a meaningful symbol for all time. |
05 Apr 03 - 05:39 AM (#926604) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Mr Red I never knew the war but lived the privations following. Three generations on who tells their children of the terror, the horror of war - or the inevitability of human nature to throw-up an eloquent tyrant just as a culture is forgetting. As we say at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month Lest we forget" - we don't but the "ME!!" generation has. Was it ever thus! |
06 Apr 03 - 05:14 AM (#927125) Subject: RE: BS: Those who don't learn from history..... From: Nemesis It's appalling .. I live opposite a large cemetery and there is consistent sickening vandalism to the graves .. even the war graves .. even the babies' graves .. "kids" get blamed but I just don't see how kids can physically smash, push over memorials and headstones, smash the concrete coverings on the graves .. larger kids more like. |