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18 Jan 01 - 06:27 PM (#377305) Subject: Skagramar From: GUEST,JanetCT I learned a song in Grade school, in a minor key, called "Skagramar" which was the name of a ghost ship which was apparently a sort of Scandinavian "Flying Dutchman." The melody and parts of the words have been floating around my cranium for decades. It includes the opening
"A marvelous tale know to all near and far Some sort of long forgotten disaster befalls her and she ultimately is seen in tatters and unmanned, and the song ends "The ghost of the once-mighty ship Skagramar." Does anyone out there have the whole song? |
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18 Jan 01 - 06:34 PM (#377309) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Skagramar From: Sorcha No luck in the DT or with Copernic Search........time to go to work, guys! |
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18 Jan 01 - 09:25 PM (#377430) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Skagramar From: GUEST,Eluned Are you definite on the spelling of the ship's name? Or is this the phonetic you've worked out, and it could be spelled any number of ways? |
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03 Apr 03 - 12:11 AM (#925013) Subject: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,Celtaddict Around 1960 I learned a song called "Skagramar" and I have never heard it recorded or found it in a songbook. It is a sort of Scandinavian Flying Dutchman tale, of a ship that sailed out but returned a ghost ship. It is in a minor key and I recall scraps of the lyrics. A marvelous tale known to all near and far Is told of the once mighty ship Skagramar Her mast rising proudly above the blue bay As swift as a cloud she went sailing away. Venturing northward and far from her home Through icy green water and fleecy white foam... (last line) The ghost of the once-mighty ship Skagramar. I have asked plenty of folks at the Sea Music Festival, with no luck. (I know more shantymen than anyone really should.) If they do not know it, it could be a good addition. Does this sound familiar to anyone? |
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03 Apr 03 - 09:12 AM (#925212) Subject: Lyr Add: A MIGHTY SHIP WAS THE GUNDREMAR From: Charley Noble What you've posted above reminds me of a Norwegian song in the DT: A MIGHTY SHIP WAS THE GUNDREMAR (Kathleen Davis) A mighty ship was the Gundremar, Proudly sailing, proudly sailing, O'er winter wave she adventured far, Northward hailing, northward hailing; Through crash of storm and the tempest's roar, A plunging on to find a distant shore, Proudly sailing, proudly sailing. All dark the night and wild the storm, Waters churning, waters churning. Full brave the ship on the rolling sea, Danger spurning, danger spurning; Loud crash of rock on a shattered prow And down beneath the wave a ship shall bow Unreturning, unreturning. A ghostly ship is the Gundremar, Ever sailing, ever sailing, O'er winter skies she adventures far, Northward hailing, northward hailing; No shadow falls on the silver night, As down the moonlit way she takes her flight Ever sailing, ever sailing. @ship @wreck @ghost @Norwegian filename[ GUNDRMAR TUNE FILE: GUNDRMAR What you think? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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03 Apr 03 - 09:50 PM (#925740) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Celtaddict That is definitely not the song I recall, as I recall some bits quite precisely, including the scansion which is altogether different, but certainly sounds like a relative; I have never heard of that one. Do you have information on it? Is it recorded somewhere? Did Kathleen Davis write it, record it, collect it, contribute it? |
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04 Apr 03 - 09:16 AM (#926007) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Charley Noble Check the thread discussion. The song has been around, I believe, since the early 1900's. I'm not sure when it was first translated. An old friend of my family, Winifred (Wendy) Holt collected a version in the early 1940's but I don't know much more about the details. The words, with the exception of two missing lines in the Holt copy, are exactly the same. Charley Noble |
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05 Apr 03 - 01:29 PM (#926744) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Jim Dixon Is there any way you can check the spelling of "Skagramar"? The ONLY thing Google can find with the spelling "Skagramar" is Mudcat itself, which is a very odd situation. Click here. I also tried several variations of the spelling and came up with nothing. Does anyone know of a good search engine that allows "sounds like" searches? |
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05 Apr 03 - 05:58 PM (#926873) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Gareth Last year, when this balard first arose I put the "Skagramar" into the now defunct Olsons shipping news - no result. Just trying to check the history. Little known fact, in the middle of the last centuary Lloyd's of Lomndon was asking a premium of about 4% per anum for a sailing ship. For a bad owner 6-7% or more was required. Take out the "Particular Average" (= Damage only) element and ask yerself what was the working life expanse of a sailing ship and crew Gareth |
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05 Apr 03 - 06:52 PM (#926901) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,celtaddict I wish I could check the spelling. My memory is sometimes spotty, but I am quite sure of the title; I have a vivid mental picture of the page I saw it on, printed in teal and white, with a sketch of the ship with the sails in tatters and the threatening sea. I know the melody, though I couldn't begin to put it online. I was ten or eleven years old at the time so it is mentally filed with those indelible ones learned in childhood. It was in the "Folk Songs from Around the World" type section of a schoolroom songbook. It only had about four verses, though the location of the song suggests to me that it might have been a shorter form of a longer ballad. It certainly sounds like a relative of Gundremar, above, but the melody must be different because those words would not fit. |
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20 Oct 06 - 10:37 PM (#1864811) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,Ed I sang the same song in gradeschool in the 1957 to 1959 timeframe. It was one of my favorites. I remember the same speeling, which is how I found this thread. |
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02 Apr 09 - 09:14 PM (#2603590) Subject: Lyr Add: VIKING SONG (Martin/Dello Joio) From: GUEST,Guest J This is called "Viking Song" and is listed in Music Around the World, Book 6, a school songbook published by Silver Burdett in 1956. The words are by Ruth and Thomas Martin and the tune by Norman Dello Joio. VIKING SONG (words by Ruth and Thomas Martin; tune by Norman Dello Joio) 1. A marvelous tale known to all near and far Is told of the once mighty ship Skagramar Her mast rising proudly above the blue bay And swift as a cloud she went sailing away Adventuring northward and far from her home Through icy green water and fleecy white foam. 2. The ship traveled onward and into the night Pursued by a storm wind of terrible might So deep was the darkness not even one star Shone down from the sky on the brave Skagramar Lashed on by the waves with a terrible roar She shattered and sank off a wild rocky shore. 3. Forever and ever the mariners say A ghost ship sails high on the pale milky way They watch for it always wherever they roam Eternally seeking a safe voyage home It fades in the glow of the clear morning star The ghost of the once mighty ship Skagramar. Source: Music Around the World, Book 6, a school songbook published by Silver Burdett in 1956 Click to play |
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02 Apr 09 - 09:21 PM (#2603594) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,J Title of the song is Viking Song (not Viking Ship)
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02 Apr 09 - 09:22 PM (#2603595) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Peace LYRIC ADD--note title change above. Good one, J. |
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19 Apr 09 - 10:13 PM (#2614745) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Celtaddict Wow! Thank you so much, Guest J! I just reviewed my old traced threads and am delighted to see this one from six years ago (just before I was even a member)(or eight years if you count from the first request, as I was also 'Guest JanetCT') finally bear fruit! (It is also gratifying to find that what I did remember, I remembered accurately!) I love this place. |
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19 Apr 09 - 11:03 PM (#2614763) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Q (Frank Staplin) To add to the confusion- There are several compositions called "Viking Song." "Viking Song," Nick Allmark. About the Greenland colony failure. http://www.nickallmark.co.uk/page6/page8/page8.html Brian A. Hartford, "A Viking Song." http:www.authorsden.com/visit/viewPoetry.asp?id=170897 Beth Wheeler, "Viking Song," tune Jingle Bells http://www.chimeracorner.com/beth/viking.html S. Coleridge Taylor, "Viking Song." Sheet music published. I have not checked for the composer of the music. More on google. Except for the Mudcat reference, I could not find the Martin and dello Joio song on google. |
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21 Apr 09 - 02:45 AM (#2615430) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Joe Offer MIDI posted here (click) from the Silver Burdett Music Around the World. Does the tune sound right to those of you who learned this song years ago? -Joe- |
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21 Apr 09 - 09:25 AM (#2615568) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ballad of ship Skagramar From: Celtaddict Joe, that's it! There is a one-note difference in the fifth line, and the ending is different, but the basic melody is the one I recall. The differences, actually, are the sort of change a song undergoes in being sung through the years anyway. Thank you so much. I do not know why, of all those grade school songs, this one has stuck with me so, but I am very happy to have all of it back again. |
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24 Aug 09 - 05:35 PM (#2707629) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST did Kathleen Davis write the song "Three Sailors" as well?? |
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11 Dec 10 - 01:04 AM (#3050761) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST Thanks for the song. I too have been haunted by this song with it's melody wnadering around in my head for the past fifty years. Now my wife and family know that it' a true song. thanks again. |
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01 Mar 20 - 11:28 PM (#4037030) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,R.D.Eno I only just discovered this thread, which was last added to in 2010, I think. I hope someone will find my contribution of interest. "A Mighty Ship Was the Gundremar" was a favorite of mine as an elementary school student in the mid 1950s at the Ethical Culture School in New York. Our music teacher, Herdis Hanson, used an overhead projector and glass slides to show the lyrics on the wall above her piano. I have no information about Kathleen Davis, identified online as the writer, but Miss Hanson had been teaching at ECS since 1924, and I suspect the Davis song predates her tenure. The Martins and Norman Dello Joio were prominent on the New York music scene from the 1940s, and it seems likely they were translating the same Scandinavian "Skagramar" ballad as Davis. |
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02 Mar 20 - 06:19 PM (#4037175) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,Starship Here's the song being sung. No the same recording, but maybe it'll stir a few memories> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6YTBoF4aTE |
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31 Oct 22 - 05:36 PM (#4156868) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,Randy The last lines as I remember them:. "Lashed onto the rocks with a terrible roar, she shattered and sank off a wild rocky shore. Forever and ever the mariners say a ghost ship sails high on the pale Milky Way. They watch for it always wherever they roam, eternally seeking a safe voyage home. It fades in the glow of a pale morning star...the ghost of the once mighty ship Skagramar." |
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27 Oct 23 - 11:58 PM (#4184673) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,Marcus It shattered and sank off a wild rocky shore. Forever and ever the mariners say, A ghost ship sails high on the pail Milky Way, They watch for it always wherever they roam. Eternally seeking a safe voyage home, It fades in the glow of the clear morning star The ghost of the once mighty ship,( high note) Skagramar! |
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27 Oct 23 - 11:58 PM (#4191281) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Viking Song / ballad of ship Skagramar From: GUEST,Marcus It shattered and sank off a wild rocky shore. Forever and ever the mariners say, A ghost ship sails high on the pail Milky Way, They watch for it always wherever they roam. Eternally seeking a safe voyage home, It fades in the glow of the clear morning star The ghost of the once mighty ship,( high note) Skagramar! |