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05 Apr 03 - 12:01 AM (#926522) Subject: singers from whom they collected From: Stephen R. I am looking for information on the singers from whom the noted folksong collectors of a century ago took down their songs: Lucy Broadwood, C#, George Butterfield, George Gardiner, Ralph Vaughan Williams, and the others of that generation. Sabine Baring-Gould describes some of his singers, but often nothing more is given than the date of collection, place of collection, singer's name and age--or even less than that, or nothing at all. References to any published sources will be appreciated. Stephen |
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05 Apr 03 - 01:12 AM (#926535) Subject: RE: singers from whom they collected From: Nerd Stephen, For C#, check out the musical traditions website Musical Traditions They have a couple of articles by Mike Yates about C#'s collection activities, which I believe has information about individual singers. Also, be skeptical of any statistics you hear about C#'s singers (80% from villages, 20% from towns, for example). Yates has shown that many of the ones used by such critics as Dave Harker are bogus. |
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06 Apr 03 - 08:55 PM (#927540) Subject: Origins: Singers who sang for collectors From: Stephen R. Well, I tried this last week and the thread vanished. So I will try again. I am looking for information on the singers whose versions were collected by the early figures of the movement in the last decade of the 19th century and down to, say, the Second World War. Some (Baring-Gould, for example) provided a fair amount of information about their singers, but all too often there is only the basic format: place and date collected, singer's name and age; or even less than that. But there are some published records about these things, and I would be grateful for any references. Stephen R. |
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06 Apr 03 - 09:34 PM (#927555) Subject: RE: singers from whom they collected From: Malcolm Douglas Your original thread was still here (it's been amalgamated with the new one now), but only those which have been added to in the last day or so remain on the main page. Click on your name at the head of your post, and you'll see a list of all the previous posts you've made under that name. You don't make it clear what information you already have access to; but (assuming that you don't already know) I'd recommend -for a start- the Journals of the Folk Song Society and their successors (1899 to the present). Many collectors didn't keep a lot of details about their informants, but there's plenty to be had about people such as Henry Burstow (who also published an autobiography) and Henry Hills; and the Norfolk singers from the Sutton/Stalham area found by Moeran, Vaughan Williams et al. are reasonably well documented. I assume from your recent posts that you are fairly well-informed; if you don't want to be told things you already know, you probably need to be a bit more specific. |
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07 Apr 03 - 01:03 PM (#927957) Subject: RE: singers from whom they collected From: Jeanie You may very well be interested in this book, available through The Ralph Vaughan Williams Society "Ralph's People - The Ingrave Secret" by Frank Dinnen. It tells the story of the meeting between Vaughan Williams (then aged 31) and 74 year old Charles Potipher, a labourer in the village of Ingrave, just outside Brentwood, Essex in December 1904. This was the old man who sang "Bushes and Briars", which had such an overwhelming effect on Vaughan Williams,and which set him off on his collecting of traditional song. All this just so happens to be *very* close to home to me - I live in the parish of Ingrave. A few years ago, Brentwood borough staged a superb re-enactment of Vaughan William's visit to Ingrave in the form of a guided walk, literally following his footsteps across fields and visiting cottages to meet the people he met: Potipher and also local women Locksie Heatley and Kate Bryan, a schoolteacher through whom he came to visit the area. A lot of my friends played parts in this guided walk: the big fear was that either the tour would take the wrong route and the characters would be left lurking, forgotten, behind a hedge, or else that they would leap out too early, in full costume, bursting forth into song and scaring the living daylights out of unsuspecting ramblers out for a quiet Sunday afternoon stroll ! The Vaughan Williams Society are planning a "Bushes and Briars Centenary Concert" in Essex - which you may also be interested to know about. If you need any photos of the locations in Ingrave, let me know. - jeanie |