13 Apr 03 - 01:36 PM (#932454) Subject: fallen women in the city From: GUEST,Ellen Kushner/Sound & Spirit I'm putting together a radio program on CITIES, and I'm looking for a **recording** of the perfect "she came to the city and lost her virtue" song. I've found the lyrics to "It's the Same the Whole World Over" - and remember a bowdlerized recording from my youth that was not too filthy to play on public radio - but don't know who did it. Does anyone know of an available recording either of that song or on that theme? I'm guessing English Music Hall or Victorian Hits would do it . . . . |
13 Apr 03 - 02:18 PM (#932481) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: MartinRyan I seem to remember a guy called Ian Whitcomb recording it way back in the early 60's. Regards. |
13 Apr 03 - 02:25 PM (#932487) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: SINSULL She's More to Be Pitied Than Censured" |
13 Apr 03 - 02:58 PM (#932510) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: mack/misophist Duke Ellington has a spoken piece about a little country girl who comes to the big city and gets taken in by a fast talking hipster. Except that, at the end, she's got the gold chain and he's saying 'Yes, Baby'. Also jazz 'Love For Sale' Sorry, can't remember anything but jazz, today. |
13 Apr 03 - 03:25 PM (#932525) Subject: Lyr Add: STREETS OF BALTIMORE (Glazer/Howard) From: Mark Clark “The Streets of Baltimore” has to be pretty near the top the list. - Mark The Streets of Baltimore (Tompall Glaser-Harlan Howard)
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13 Apr 03 - 06:55 PM (#932655) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Gareth A Rugby Club favorite - please excuse me if I don't type or search it out tonite, a 15 hour shift, but yes the two links above are close. The "Aberflyhalf RFC" version will follow. Gareth She did go to London City, For to hide her bleeding shame, But a fat old Tory met her, Put her on the game again." |
13 Apr 03 - 07:13 PM (#932663) Subject: ADD: Oom Pah Pah (from Oliver) From: *daylia* How about Nancy's song "Oom Pah Pah" from the musical "Oliver"? Oom Pah Pah " Pretty little Sally Goes walkin' down the alley, Displays a pretty ankle to all of the men. They could see her garters, But not for free and gratis -- An inch or two, and then She knows when to say when! ALL: Oom-pah-pah! Oom-pah-pah! That's how it goes. Oom-pah-pah! Oom-pah-pah! Ev'ryone knows: NANCY: Whether it's hidden, or whether it shows, It's the same, oom-pah-pah! She was from the country, But now she's up a gum-tree -- She let a feller feed 'er, and lead 'er along. What's the use o' cryin'? She's made a bed to lie in. She's glad to bring a coin in And join in this song! ALL: Oom-pah-pah! Oom-pah-pah! That's how it goes! Oom-pah-pah! Oom-pah-pah! Ev'ryone knows: NANCY: She is no longer the same blushin' rose Ever since oom-pah-pah!" Click here for the rest of the lyrics. I think both music and lyrics are by Lionel Bart though, not Webber/Rice as Genie says in the message. Good luck - daylia |
13 Apr 03 - 09:41 PM (#932742) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: GUEST,EllenKushner Thank you - these are great suggestions, and I'm hot on the trail....to my astonishment, there is a recording of "She is more to be pitied" made in the 1890's, offered at http://www.archeophone.com/Catalogue/Yearbooks/9006.html ! Its lyrics don't seem to mention all this naughtiness happening in a CITY, though, so I'll keep looking.... Note that this is for a radio programme where quality recordings whose lyrics can be well-understood immediately by the listener are critical, so if you know of a good recording, please include that information. If you're curious about the programme, there is much information at: www.wgbh.org/pri/spirit With thanks, Ellen (Daylia, I'm a huge "Oliver!" fan - I'll have to remember to use "Oom pah pah" if I ever do a show on... well, the "oom" in "oom pah"!) |
13 Apr 03 - 09:56 PM (#932752) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: mg I think in one of the Walt Robertson threads is a song called Cle Elum girl...mg |
13 Apr 03 - 10:46 PM (#932777) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: GUEST,Rapaire I don't know if this poem by Hardy has been set to music or not. |
14 Apr 03 - 05:06 AM (#932920) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: open mike She said her name was Caroline... Tecumseh Valley by Townes Van Zant "She took to whorin' out on the street, with all the lust inside her..." I have a request in to a friend who sings a song about a character, I believe her name is San Francisco Mabel Joy.. it is a sad one... |
14 Apr 03 - 05:10 AM (#932921) Subject: Lyr Add: TECUMSEH VALLEY (Townes Van Zandt) From: open mike TECUMSEH VALLEY (Townes Van Zandt) (singer/composer, died in 97') The name she gave was Caroline, daughter of a miner, her ways were free, and it seemed to me, that sunshine walked beside her. She came from Spencer, 'cross the hill, she said her pa had sent her 'cause the coal was low, and soon the snow, would turn the skies to winter. She said she'd come, to look for work, she was not seeking favors, For a dime a day and a place to stay, she'd turn those hands to labor. But times were hard, and jobs were few, all through Tecumseh valley, but she asked around and a job she found, tending bar at Gypsy Sally's She saved enough to get back home, when spring replaced the winter, but her dreams were denied, her pa had died, the word come down from Spencer. So she turned to whorin', on the streets, with all the lust inside her, and it was many a man, returned again, to lay himself beside her. They found her down beneath the stairs, that led to Gypsy Sally's, in her hand when she died was a note that cried, fare thee well... Tecumseh valley. The name she gave was Caroline, daughter of a miner, her ways were free, and it seemed to me, that sunshine walked beside her. From his 1st album, titled "First Album", circa: mid-60's. |
14 Apr 03 - 05:14 AM (#932923) Subject: Lyr Add: SAN FRANCISCO MABEL JOY (Mickey Newbury) From: open mike SAN FRANCISCO MABEL JOY (Mickey Newbury) Oh his daddy was an honest man, red dirt Georgia farmer His mama lived her short life havin' kids and bailin' hay He had fifteen years and an ache inside to wander Hopped a freight in Waycross wound up in LA Oh the cold nights had no pity on that Waycross Georgia farm boy Most days he went hungry, then the summer came He met a girl known on the strip as San Francisco's Mabel Joy Destitution's child born on an LA street called shame Growin' up came quietly in the arms of Mabel Joy Laughter found their mornings, it brought a meaning to his life On the night before she left, sleep came and found that Waycross country boy With dreams of Georgia cotton and a California wife Sunday morning found him standing 'neath the red light at her door When a right cross sent him reelin' put him face down on the floor In place of Mabel Joy he found a merchant man marine Who growled, 'Your Georgia neck is red, but sonny you're still green' He turned twenty one in a grey rock federal prison Old judge had no mercy on this Waycross Georgia boy Starin' at those four grey walls in silence he would listen To that midnight freight he knew would take him back to Mabel Joy Sunday morning found him lyin' 'neath the red light at her door With a bullet in his side, he cried 'Have you seen Mabel Joy?' Stunned and shakin', someone said, 'Son, she don't live here no more No, she left this house four years today - they say she's lookin' for Some Georgia farm boy'. Writer: Mickey Newbury Source: Insert to Mickey Newbury 'Nights when I am sane' Winter Harvest CD WH3301-2 |
14 Apr 03 - 05:35 AM (#932928) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: GUEST,GUEST Oscar Brand did "It's the Same the Whole World Over," with a terrible cockney accent, on one of his albums. Sorry I don't know which one. Jim. |
17 Apr 03 - 02:47 PM (#935648) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: GUEST,Ellen Kushner Yes, I love that Hardy poem! If I can't find good recordings, maybe I'll put on my even worse Cockney accent than Oscar, and give it a whirl! |
17 Apr 03 - 07:02 PM (#935660) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Joe_F And let us not forget those who *defended* their virtue: * My Mother Was a Lady * Heaven Will Protect the Working Girl |
17 Apr 03 - 07:44 PM (#935691) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: michaelr Check out "Paint and Powder Beauty" and "The Banks of the Clyde" from Linda Thompson's latest, "Fashionably Late". Cheers, Michael |
17 Apr 03 - 08:27 PM (#935714) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Ebbie Hazel Dickens' Don't Put Her Down (You Helped Put Her There) is a good one. |
17 Apr 03 - 11:48 PM (#935778) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Lin in Kansas "Louise" by Bonnie Raitt. Lin |
18 Apr 03 - 04:25 AM (#935839) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Snuffy I never knew there were honky-tonk angels ..... |
18 Apr 03 - 06:23 AM (#935862) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: AllisonA(Animaterra) I don't have anything to add, but may I say thank you Ellen Kushner for one of the best radio shows on NPR! I finally live in a place where I can get WGBH and make a point of tuning in to hear Sound and Spirit whenever I can on Sunday mornings! |
18 Apr 03 - 08:51 AM (#935895) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: curmudgeon Ellen -- I can't really add to the great list you've been given, but just out of curiosity, is there any connection between you and '60s Boston area folksinger Lynn Kushner? Thanks -- Tom |
18 Apr 03 - 09:01 AM (#935903) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: JJ "A Picture from Life's Other Side," which I once sang in a production of DARK OF THE MOON, but which I can't remember now. |
18 Apr 03 - 09:07 AM (#935909) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Charley Noble Another set of songs which gives equal time to "young men" as well as "young women" is by Charlie Case, a black-face comedian of the late 19th century. For the young men there was the ever popular "Fatal Glass of Beer" and for the young women, to the same tune, this one from Sigmund Spaeth's READ 'EM AND WEEP, pp. 242-243: There was once a poor young girl who left her country home, And came to the city to seek employment; She had to leave her home because the wolf was at her door And her father had fallen down and hurt his knee. Just before she went away her sweatheart, whose name was Jack, Said to her, "I fear you will not be true." And so she had to promise him before she got on the train That every night at eight o'clock she would burst into tears. She came to the city, and was riding on a street car When a man got up and offered her his seat; She refused the offer with scorn, for she saw he wore a ring, And she didn't know but he might be a married man. Then up came the conductor and said, "I knew you would be true!" And tore off his false whiskers, and it was Jack! And that day she got a telegram saying that her father's knee was better, And an aunt had died and left her $58,000.00. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
18 Apr 03 - 11:13 AM (#935969) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: GUEST Thanks for your kind words on Sound & Spirit! No, I'm no relation to any other Kushners that anyone has ever heard of (though I am the same Ellen Kushner who writes the novels - and I'm delighted to report that THOMAS THE RHYMER is coming back into print next year). I've now got the Linda Thompson "Banks of the Clyde" slotted in the "Big Bad Cities" portion of the show - but I'd like something Victorianish to balance it - great idea to look for something like "Heaven Will Protect the Working Girl"! Charley, that's a great one from the Spaeth collection - and I think I've actually heard it played on the air somewhere.... I wonder if "Fatal Glass of Beer" is around? We'll check! With thanks, Ellen |
18 Apr 03 - 11:34 AM (#935973) Subject: Lyr Add: THE FATAL GLASS OF BEER From: Charley Noble Ellen- there is a version of the "Fatal Glass of Beer" in the DT here but it's strayed far more from the original Charles Case song than the family version I learned as a child which I'll post: FATAL GLASS OF BEER-1 (From Helen Ramsay, printed in Shay's More Pious Friends etc. Recorded by W. C. Fields) There was a young man, and he came to New York To find himself a lucrative position befitting his talents. And he hunted all the Employment Agencies, but was nearly starved to death, When at last he got a job in a stone quarry with all the other college graduates. And after work was done, they lured him into a saloon, And tempted him to drink a glass of beer. But he'd promised his Dear Old Mother that he never would imbibe That he'd never touch his Lips to a glass containing Liquor. They laughed at him and Jeered, and they called him a cow-yard Till at last he clutched and drained that glass of beer. When he saw what he had Did, he dashed his glass upon the floor, And staggered out the door with Delirium Tremens. And the first person that he met was a Salvation Army Lass, And with one blow he broke her tambourine! When she saw what he had did, she placed a mark upon his brow With a kick that she had learned before she was sav-ed. And the moral of this tale is to shun that fatal glass, And don't go around breaking other peoples' tambourines. FATAL GLASS OF BEER-2 (Adapted from Charlie Case by the Ipcar Family in the 1960's) There was a country lad, who left his country home And came to the big city to seek employment; He promised his dear mother, as he climbed aboard the train To always shun the fatal curse of drink. When he reached the big city he found employment in a quarry, And they he made the acquaintance of two college men; He did not know that they were demons, for they wore the best of clothes, But clothes do not always make the gentleman. One night he went out with his new found friends to dine, And they tried to persuade him to have a drink; He refused and he refused but they persuaded and they persuaded, And finally he had a glass of beer. . When he saw what he had done, he dashed his liquor to the floor, And staggered to the door with Delirium Tremens. And under the fatal curse of drink he met a Salvation Army Lass, And cruelly he broke her tambourine! She only said "God Bless you!" and placed a mark upon his brow, With a kick that she had learned before she was sav-ed. So let this be a lesson, shun the fatal curse of drink, And don't go around breaking little lassie's tambourines. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
18 Apr 03 - 11:36 AM (#935974) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Charley Noble Whoops, I copied the whole thing! CN |
18 Apr 03 - 11:36 AM (#935975) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: wysiwyg House of the Rising Sun?? ~S~ |
18 Apr 03 - 11:40 AM (#935976) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: harpgirl I prefer those ditties that predict triumph of the fallen woman: Mustang Ranch Blues by harpgirl I ain't gonna walk no more honey I ain't gonna walk no more I walk all night to bankroll your ride I ain't gonna walk no more I ain't gonna feather your nest no more I ain't gonna be your show I walk all night sellin my pride I ain't gonna walk no more No sugar daddy saved me from this strife A tainted maiden all my life I ain't gonna walk no more Won't see me walkin by the mainstreet light No more by the moonlight hitchin a ride I ain't gonna walk no more I'll pack my paint and my satin dress Quit this town I'm goin out west Find me a cowboy Put him to the test I ain't gonna walk no more You got one less pony in your corral I'm goin out West and I'm gonna raise hell I ain't gonna walk no more |
18 Apr 03 - 07:25 PM (#936232) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Ely "Tomorrow's Already Gone" by Hazel Dickens (sorry, I don't have the complete words on hand) |
18 Apr 03 - 08:01 PM (#936251) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: CraigS Cindy's Crying by Tom Paxton She's Everything She Doesn't Want To Be by Larry Weiss |
19 Apr 03 - 02:06 PM (#936579) Subject: RE: fallen women in the city From: Art Thieme I just got it !!! "FALLEN WOMEN". ---- She fell down and hurt her knee !!!! CUTE ! ;-) Art Thieme |
30 Jul 16 - 03:40 PM (#3802767) Subject: RE: songs about fallen women in the city From: Charley Noble Here's another vote for "The Fatal Glass of Beer." Charlie Ipcar |