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28 Apr 03 - 08:09 PM (#942351) Subject: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Little Hawk There's been a positive plague of this, and I suspect it has been a key contributory factor to the loss of the British Empire. Discuss and enjoy... |
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28 Apr 03 - 08:33 PM (#942366) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: harvey andrews Abnegation...denial,renunciation. Lost us the Empire eh? Then let's hope America catches the abnegation virus real soon! |
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28 Apr 03 - 08:49 PM (#942372) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Amos LH -- what are you talking about? What self abnegation? A |
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28 Apr 03 - 11:22 PM (#942458) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: artbrooks Last night, I stayed awake and abnegated. It felt so good, I knew it would. |
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29 Apr 03 - 12:09 AM (#942481) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Little Hawk Oh, I was just jumpin' on the old bandwagon, Amos. My warped sense of humour... I figured after racism and homophobia in British folk music, it was time to take on a subject we could really get our teeth into. - LH |
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29 Apr 03 - 12:39 AM (#942490) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: catspaw49 If you were after something we could really sink our teeth into, then what about "Rare Prime Rib and British Folk Music." Spaw |
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29 Apr 03 - 12:49 AM (#942494) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: katlaughing Or all those bent elbows and British Folk Music... |
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29 Apr 03 - 01:09 AM (#942502) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: leprechaun You skipped Misogyny and British Folk Music. |
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29 Apr 03 - 01:37 AM (#942513) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: katlaughing Flogging and British Folk Music... The Royals and BFM |
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29 Apr 03 - 01:57 AM (#942519) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: leprechaun C'mon Spaw, Flatulence and British Folk Music. |
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29 Apr 03 - 02:24 AM (#942524) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Joe Offer Let me make it perfectly clear that Mudcat will not tolerate self-abnegation, especially when it comes from Little Hawk. We don't like most of those isms and obias, either. Does that cover it? -Joe Offer- |
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29 Apr 03 - 02:34 AM (#942530) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: catspaw49 "The Plague of Joe Offerism on British Folk Music" Spaw |
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29 Apr 03 - 03:58 AM (#942551) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Lanfranc IMHO there is not much abnegation, self- or otherwise in British Folk Music. There is, however, an excess of meiosis (or litotes) evident in the support for and presentation of English Folk Music, which is frequently misunderstood by those races such as the Celts and some inhabitants of our former Colonies whose sense of irony is inadequately developed. An illustration of this is the case of the English folksong "Wild Rover". Once this song, originally collected from one Sam Larner in the vicinity of Norwich, had been recorded by denizens of the Celtic fringe (the "Dubliners"), it was henceforth assumed to be of Irish origin. The fact that most of those associated with English folksong were only too pleased to see the back of that particular ditty and modestly denied its origins allowed the Irish to perpetuate the canard, leading them to apply the same acquisitive logic to other respectable traditional English songs and even to contemporary works by Australians of Scottish origin and Mancunian thespians. There are those of us who would prefer that British Folk Music became better known for its synecdoche, for making the part stand for the whole has been a laudable British trait for some years. To come in future editions: "Tmesis and British Folk Music" - "absobloodylutely fascinating" (J Offer) and "Onomatopoeia in British Folk Music" - "A crashing bore" (TROLL) "Don't criticise what you don't understand" R Zimmerman Alan |
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29 Apr 03 - 06:30 AM (#942598) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: greg stephens Given that racism and homophobia are prevalent in all human societies(that I know of), it would be surprising if you didnt find the occasional folkie in any country who dint suffer from one or both. Self-abnegation is a different thing, that's just plain disgusting. I tried it once in early adolescence but my mother caught me, and I'm glad to say the thought has never come to me since. |
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29 Apr 03 - 09:23 AM (#942682) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: McGrath of Harlow What's British folk music when it's at home? |
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29 Apr 03 - 09:38 AM (#942688) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Amos Gee, Alan, that's powuhrful stuff, terrible impressive, and riddled with I-wot-not! Love to see the translation! A |
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29 Apr 03 - 09:55 AM (#942704) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: stevetheORC Um Well lets see, lost the empire noooo dont think so that was France we gave ours away, starting with our American colonies :-) Bet you all wish we had hung on to you Hee Hee De Orc |
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29 Apr 03 - 10:45 AM (#942742) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Amos Actually, there are so many volunteers out there willing to abnegate you for so little, it seems ridiculous to have to do it yourself... A |
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29 Apr 03 - 12:09 PM (#942817) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Little Hawk This is good. I think we are well on the way to stamping out self-abnegation completely, and restoring British folk music to its orginal purity. - LH |
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29 Apr 03 - 12:15 PM (#942825) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Amos ...which consists of Brits running around in oubs abnegating each other voraciously? A |
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29 Apr 03 - 12:16 PM (#942826) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Amos "oubs" s/b "pubs". Sorry. A |
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29 Apr 03 - 01:07 PM (#942864) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: artbrooks I really think that these self-abnegators must be required to deal with the consequences of their actions. If not, the results may be dire beyond expression. Indeed, the impressionable youth of Britain may begin to sing songs in unintelligable accents about cow byres, corn ricks and yows (pardon, ewes) and to dance about whilst wearing bells and whacking each other with sticks. Heaven Forfend!! |
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29 Apr 03 - 01:07 PM (#942865) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Malcolm Douglas I think it still goes on in oubs as well, but I haven't been in one recently. I stick to pubs, which are easier to find as a rule. |
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29 Apr 03 - 01:39 PM (#942894) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: McGrath of Harlow It all comes down to deciding whether "See you later, Abnegator" is a folk song or not. |
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29 Apr 03 - 02:02 PM (#942913) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: katlaughing I've always heard that it leads to loss of vision... |
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29 Apr 03 - 02:09 PM (#942923) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Amos You got that right, Kat. What many people do not realize is that the loss of vision is a risk even in mutually consensual abnegation with a partner. It isn't just self-abnegation. Young people must be taught the dangers inherent in all types of abnegation. And not in some superficial junior-high "Abneg Ed" course either. They should be taught these things at home by caring parents. A |
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29 Apr 03 - 03:32 PM (#942975) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Little Hawk "See ya later, Abnegator!" "After awhile, Pedophile!" - LH |
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29 Apr 03 - 04:06 PM (#943002) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Morticia You lot can be very,very silly sometimes....I like that. |
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29 Apr 03 - 04:28 PM (#943025) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Gareth Oi ! You leave our Ewes alone ! Thats a Celtic trait. Gareth |
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29 Apr 03 - 04:39 PM (#943039) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: katlaughing Oh! What was that, then? Sheep-shagging and BFM??!! How did I miss that one!? Too blatant?**bg** |
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29 Apr 03 - 04:59 PM (#943058) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: TheBigPinkLad Abnegate if you will, just make sure you clean it up. |
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29 Apr 03 - 05:13 PM (#943074) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: GUEST In Carlisle Anglophile |
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29 Apr 03 - 06:44 PM (#943128) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Lanfranc The art of self-abnegation Was practiced for years in our nation Then along came Howells With his Celtic vowels And banned it by proclamation By the edicts of Philistines You were outlawed And we wept when we remembered thee O tradition Yesterday we sang Tomorrow we may not PELs could do that They told me, English folkie They told me you were fined For singing in a public house Tho' the landlord didn't mind I wept when I remembered How often you and I Had raised our voice in chorus But the music had to die Pickled in Karaoke, banned by stupid law Driven underground by Government Not lost, just gone before They say that Blair Is a very fair. I suppose it could be true But it doesn't feel like that to me Does it feel like that to you? When you meet with Fred Creep And you think he's asleep It's no good you calling He's just practicing Trolling Alan (suffering from late-night thread creep and a bad dose of doggerel) |
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29 Apr 03 - 07:30 PM (#943158) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: greg stephens Now we have learnt to repect other people's sexual orientation, I am glad to say that I have not heard "I am a rustic sheep-shagger" sung in a folk club since about 1967. Anybody heard it more recently? |
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30 Apr 03 - 12:55 AM (#943302) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: katlaughing No, but they do a nice rendition of "I'll be calling ewe, oo-oo-oooo" out on the range of ol' Wyomin'! |
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30 Apr 03 - 06:19 AM (#943372) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: John MacKenzie Yo Bro, how's it hangin' man? Yo!! What ya doin'? Just watchin' TV, Abnegation. WASABI Them damned chameleons!! Giok |
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30 Apr 03 - 09:42 AM (#943487) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: HuwG Give myself up ? No, I can't break myself of that habit ! Copyright on that old joke is held by The Goon Show, 1955. ("Dishonoured") |
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30 Apr 03 - 01:57 PM (#943699) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Bee-dubya-ell Abnegation! Abnegation! They's doin' it all across the nation! They's doin' it in line at the railroad station! Why, they's even doin' it on vacation! Now, the onliest thing about abnegation, Gotta do it yerself, not with a relation. It's the strangest damn thing in all creation. When ya' abnegate yer gonna find elation. Well, they're abnegatin' in the Appalachians, And way out West in the Indian Nations, And out in the garden where they grow impatiens! Ya can't get away from them abnegations! So let's all stop the procrastination, And get on the ball with the abnegation. Just spread the word, "Take no imitation! Abnegation! Abnegation!" Bruce |
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01 May 03 - 07:19 AM (#944280) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Lanfranc Shadration, Meschachion and Abnegation? Into the fiery furnace with them all! Alan |
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02 May 03 - 06:38 AM (#944765) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: John MacKenzie Abnegation once again Abnegation once again I may go blind, but I don't mind. Abnegation once again. Then in came the judge, with a Seeing-eye Dog, and I knew he wasn't going to look at those 27 8x10 glossy photographs, with the circles and arrows. A Guthrie Giok |
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02 May 03 - 07:13 AM (#944779) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: Pied Piper You can get what ever you want. PP |
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02 May 03 - 05:30 PM (#945132) Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music From: leprechaun I figured I'd only do it till I needed glasses. |