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06 May 03 - 09:36 AM (#946931) Subject: Radetski march From: GUEST,jeffrees@ntlworld.com Has any one out there got the music for the Radetski March? |
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06 May 03 - 09:48 AM (#946939) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang Found all over the web, a bit for instance here but there are more hits with the spellings Radetzky or Radetsky. Wolfgang |
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06 May 03 - 10:07 AM (#946957) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: stevethesqueeze jeff do you mean the actual printed score> |
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06 May 03 - 10:14 AM (#946964) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: masato sakurai Two scores are found at American Memory. Radetzky march; Op. 228. Selections of music performed by the Germania Orchestra. 1870 (arranged for the piano) Radetzky march, arr. by F. B. Helmsmüller (1852; for the piano) ~Masato |
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06 May 03 - 10:27 AM (#946974) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: masato sakurai MIDI (piano arrangement) Orchestra score (PDF; first page only) |
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06 May 03 - 10:40 AM (#946987) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang Wenn der Hund mit der Wurst ü,ber'n Eckstein springt... Wolfgang |
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06 May 03 - 11:04 AM (#947002) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wilfried Schaum Music available at Mosch-Musikverlag >Verlagsprogramm >Noten >R German title: Radetzkymarsch or Radetzky-Marsch Might be the version for brass band, but who wants strings for a march ... Wilfried |
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06 May 03 - 11:05 AM (#947004) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: GUEST,jeffrees@ntlworld.com thanks everyone I have the dots now!! |
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06 May 03 - 11:29 AM (#947016) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Wie, bitte, Wolfgang? Is that like "Rashers and eggs and lashings of sausages", which was Eamon de Buitléir's mnemonic for jig rhythm on the bodhrán, or has it a deeper meaning? Without wishing to scratch any historic wounds, I've always found the martial music of the German people(s) a lot more ...well, martial... than the insubstantial rubbish that French military bands play. The British equivalent is very melodious and polished, and inspired quite a strong non-military brass band tradition. But for out-and-out bloodcurdlingness, it's hard to beat the sound of the pipes tuning up in the morning. |
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06 May 03 - 11:36 AM (#947025) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang It was the beginning of the completely silly German lyrics we sang to the Radetzky Marsch tune when we were young. In English: When the dog with the sausage jumps over the cornerstone. It makes no sense? Neither it does in German. Wolfgang |
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06 May 03 - 11:44 AM (#947031) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Mary in Kentucky An Pluiméir Ceolmhar, take a look at Masato's midi link. There are lots of midis for several pianos, various numbers of performers. I love the Beethoven Turkish March. |
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06 May 03 - 11:46 AM (#947035) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang I even can translate the first two lines of the German into singable English lyrics fitting the tune: If the dog with the steak jumps the cornerstone and if George in the pub drinks his beer alone It helps against too 'military' feelings. Some other Germans (or whoever likes that music) may get tears in their eyes when listening to the tune and you sit there and hum to yourself If the dog with the steak... Wolfgang |
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06 May 03 - 01:39 PM (#947053) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Schantieman Hands up who else thinks it sounds like the William Tell Overture upside down? Diddle-um Diddle-um Diddle-um-tum-tum..... S |
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06 May 03 - 03:09 PM (#947140) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang Johann Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky Austrian field marechal responsible for squashing the 1848/49 revolution in that part of the world. Wolfgang |
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06 May 03 - 03:28 PM (#947161) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: fat B****rd I always associate the tune with all those posh Austrians clapping a furious 4 in a bar on New Years day. I watch it every Jan. 1st through prickly eyeballs. |
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06 May 03 - 05:02 PM (#947259) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: toadfrog What a beautiful trio - I had clean forgotten that trio. In fact I had the march itself confused with "Wien bleibt Weien" which was the flip-side. Memory fades. |
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07 May 03 - 04:21 AM (#947627) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Liz the Squeak Best ever version of it can be found on a cassette that Catter Ralphie is familiar with - 'Buddy can you spare a qertzog?' by 'The Hackney Martians', but I think I spelled qertzog wrongly. He may even be willing to sell you a copy. LTS |
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07 May 03 - 04:37 AM (#947635) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Micca The memorable performance "orcastrated" by Andy (AWOL) Lamb at the Goose and Firkin in London in about 1982-3? for 30 Melodeons!!!!! and assorted other instruments and "Table Percussion" That sort of "Demilitarised" the "Radetsky" for me possibly for all time!! |
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07 May 03 - 04:46 AM (#947643) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Ralphie Liz !!!! You beat me to it !!! I've even still got the original Austrian Music box that features at the end of the recording !! BTW, I still have plans to do a limited CD version of "The Martians" which would include some previously unheard (probably a good thing!) live tracks.. This will happen when God does an Update in the number of hours in the day! But, thanks for remembering!!! Hugs Ralphie |
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07 May 03 - 04:52 AM (#947647) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Nigel Parsons The tune was also 'put to words' at a Scout camp in Youlbury (Near Oxford) in 1977. The camp was rather wet! Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch) Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch) Drip drip drip dribble dribble drip dip drip Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble drip (squelch, squelch squelch) Drip dribble dribble dribble Drip dribble dribble dribble Dribble dribble dribble dribble dribb-le drip Dribble drip dribble drip dribble drip drip drip Dribble drip dribble drip dribble drip drip drip Dribble drip drip drip Dribble drip drip drip etc...... Nigel |
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07 May 03 - 05:01 AM (#947651) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Ralphie Nigel P. You really should get out more!! Micca...Can't remember if I was there, but it was around that time that I first encountered AWOL...Have probably blanked the occasion from my memory for reasons of sanity!! Cheers Ralphie |
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07 May 03 - 05:01 AM (#947652) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Liz the Squeak But Ralphie - did I spell qertzog properly? And put me down for a CD - the cassette is almost down to it's last spindle! LTS |
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07 May 03 - 05:24 AM (#947667) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Ralphie Liz... Think you spelt it right....!! Don't quote me though!! If I ever get the CD done, you'll be the first to know...You sad woman! Cheers Ralphie |
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07 May 03 - 06:21 AM (#947687) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Micca ARRRRG Ralphie, that means we will have Liz singing " I hate Custard" again(and again and again) after we thought we had weaned her away from it....You SWINE!!!! |
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07 May 03 - 06:23 AM (#947689) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Ralphie Micca... Don't blame me....I didn't write the damned thing ! R |
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07 May 03 - 09:15 AM (#947771) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wilfried Schaum An Pluiméir Ceolmhar - about our martial music: depends on which times or countries the marches are coming from. When brass was the prerogative of the cavalry (The Brave And Dumb), the infantry only used fifes, drums and woodwinds. Its a big difference between the brass version and the original woodwind version, when you hear e.g. Beethoven's march for General Yorck - sometimes sounding like a dance. The Prussian marches are really music for blockheads, while the marches of Southern Germany (Bavaria, Hassia) are much lighter and more lively. There even is a march using dances originally composed by Johannes Strauss! In my division's march even a folksong was worked in. The melodious subtleness is especially displayed by our military bands when performing in concerts (they sometimes use strings); when playing on parade they use simpler marches with more bangs so that the marching troops don't fall out of cadence. An old German military saying: The melody is for the commissioned officers, the drum is for the grunts - boom is always left foot. Wilfried |
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07 May 03 - 09:33 AM (#947782) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Which brings us to the tag that military justice is to justice what military music is to music. Wasn't that coined or popularised by one of the French First-World-War generals? |
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07 May 03 - 11:20 AM (#947856) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang That was close (I would have been far off, but I got curious and looked it up), it most probably was Georges Clemenceau, French First-World-War Prime Minister who said it. Later made popular (the citation, not Clemenceau) by Marx (Groucho). Wolfgang |
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07 May 03 - 12:48 PM (#947919) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Thanks. Neither of them was a sloucho in the mustachio department. |
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08 May 03 - 04:24 AM (#948427) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Nigel Parsons But for most of his film career Groucho's moustache was painted on. So Groucho did not have a moustache, and Harpo was not dumb. But both Harpo & Chico were talented musicians! Nigel |
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08 May 03 - 04:30 AM (#948430) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Liz the Squeak WHAT?? You'll be saying next that Leonard Nimoys' ears aren't really pointy! LTS |
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08 May 03 - 04:55 AM (#948446) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Nigel Parsons Sorry Liz. They're not pointy. He had them surgically rounded so that he could play 'Paris' in the original 'Mission Impossible' Nigel |
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08 May 03 - 07:32 AM (#948515) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Teribus Something from the mists of memory about the Radetzky March - Isn't there some link between this piece of music and Mountbatten and the Royal Marines |
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08 May 03 - 04:56 PM (#948881) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Schantieman But what about the Marx brother that wasn't in the films - Karl, wasn't it? S |
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09 May 03 - 02:56 PM (#949526) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: GUEST,strakajoe I tried to find the lyrics of the Radetzky march on the net, but failed... The only thing I found was a parody with slightly different lyrics: http://www.fotosumpf.de/lied/parodien/radetzki.html I remember another version, going like this: Wenn der Hund midda Wurscht übern Eckstein springt Und der Storch in der Luft den Frosch verschlingt Unfortunately, these are the only two verses I know. @Wolfgang, I'd be terribly glad to read your version of the lyrics! Joe |
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09 May 03 - 03:01 PM (#949530) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Liz the Squeak There are lyrics??? I always thought it went: Yada dump yada dump, yada dump dump dump, ad nauseum..... LTS |
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09 May 03 - 03:24 PM (#949542) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: GUEST,strakajoe @Liz yes, there are... of course just parodies, but they happen to exist. And I hope to get somewhere those lyrics which Wolfgang mentioned. Joe PS: ad nauseum? nauseabunda es, quando hanc melodiam audis? |
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10 May 03 - 06:57 AM (#949822) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Nigel Parsons Liz: those are the lyrics to the Lone Ranger Theme (William Tell Overture), but I suppose they also fit.... Nigel |
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10 May 03 - 01:11 PM (#950008) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Liz the Squeak NO!! Lone Ranger is: Ta da dump ta da dump, ta da dump dump dump (or gotta dump, to the dump or had a thump depending on which joke you heard).... The two are clearly different, although one is the other upsidedown. LTS |
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10 May 03 - 05:54 PM (#950140) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Ulli when we were young and silly (and in a real drinking mood) we used to sing it as part of a medley Radetsky Marsch, Radetsky Marsch, der Kaiser hat a Loch im A......alle Vögel sind schon da, .... sorry 'bout that ... |
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10 May 03 - 06:29 PM (#950157) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Snuffy I learned this verse of Freut Euch des Lebens way back in the early 60s Zwei Knaben liegen Arsch am Arsch Und bliesen den Radetsky Marsch Und als der eine kackte So kamen sie auf der Takte |
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12 May 03 - 02:12 AM (#950816) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wilfried Schaum Snuffy - last line: ... So kamen sie aus dem Takte (they fell out of cadence) Wilfried |
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12 May 03 - 08:18 AM (#950917) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Snuffy Danke sehr, Wilfried. That makes more sense. WassaiL! V |
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12 May 03 - 11:13 AM (#951030) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Wolfgang I did translate above all two lines of the lyrics I know. I've never seen serious lyrics to this tune. It seems to attract antimiliarist parodies (like in Joe's post above) and that is well deserved, in my eyes. Wolfgang |
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12 May 03 - 04:17 PM (#951249) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: strakajoe ah, alles klar, Wolfgang... Me too, I don't remember more than those two verses from above... Joe |
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07 Nov 03 - 11:36 PM (#1050004) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: GUEST Hi i'm Defiant & i'm from chile & in case you do not know aqui to it in Chile also marches past yourself with the famous march RADETZKY, and that does it they are those of the Military school Of Chile, whose traditions and uniforms are prussians |
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08 Nov 03 - 06:59 AM (#1050068) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: The Walrus "...Something from the mists of memory about the Radetzky March - Isn't there some link between this piece of music and Mountbatten and the Royal Marines..." Teribus, I think you may be confusing the Radetsky March with the Preberjenski (sp?) March, which Mountbatten used as a 'personal' march (permission to do this came from his Uncle Nicky<1>) - The Preberjenski was the 'theme tune' for the TV series on Mountbatten in the 1960s. I'm not sure what the Royal Marine link might be, although both tune are undoubtedly in the RM Band repetoire Best Wishes Walrus <1> Tsar Nicolas II |
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08 Nov 03 - 08:04 AM (#1050077) Subject: RE: Radetski march From: Helen My hubby and I are on the board of directors at our local licensed club, where there are about 30 poker machines. Over the last few months I have been infected with an earworm from one of the tunes from a poker machine. Every time I heard it I knew the tune but could not name it. I asked everyone what it was and a lot of people knew the tune but couldn't name it either. An Austrian/Australian man recited some silly lyrics to it - something about potatoes - but he could not think of the proper name of the song. Finally, about a week ago, someone told me that it is the Radetsky March. My earworm finally packed its bags and crawled away. I was getting to the stage where I was trying to make a midi of it to post to a thread so that the Mudcatters could put me out of my misery. Guest/Defiant - that is interesting about Prussians in Chile. Helen |
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08 Nov 03 - 08:55 PM (#1050377) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Susanne (skw) Two more lines remembered from childhood: Herr Radetzky, Herr Radetzky, das ist ein feiner Mann Er steckt den Kopf zum Fenster raus und guckt (spuckt) die Leute an Mr Radetzky, Mr Radetzky, he is a gentleman He puts his head out of the window and looks (spits) at people then These must be part of the silly lyrics, but I don't seem to be able to get from Wolfgang's lines to mine. I'll have to go back to my mother's and dig out the LP with the German military marches (or the tape with all the silly lyrics). The ones to 'Alte Kameraden' are even worse than the above, and the march 'Gruß an Kiel' (Greetings to Kiel, which is now my hometown) is adorned with the following tasteful lyrics: In der Reizenheimer Straße hat sich der Würstchenmann erhängt Warum hat er sich erhängt? Weil er Würstchen hat verschenkt (In Reizenheimer Road the sausage man has hanged himself Why has he hanged himself? He'd given sausages away) There must be countless examples of this, and I suspect - as somebody else in this thread did - it was a fairly safe way of giving vent to anti-militaristic feelings. |
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08 Nov 03 - 10:40 PM (#1050440) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: The Fooles Troupe Can somebody pin down the meme I heard years ago about Waltz tunes being used for Military Marches? Robin |
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10 Nov 03 - 02:07 AM (#1050910) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Wilfried Schaum Walrus - name of the Russian march: Preobrazhenskij (a Russian Guard Regiment, if I remember right). This march is also in the Prussian collection of marches for the use of the Army. Susanne - the ditty Herr Radetzky ... is not sung to the tune of Radetzky march, but another Austrian march whose name I have forgot (Hoch- und Deutschmeister, at the end?) Wilfried |
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10 Nov 03 - 06:07 AM (#1050966) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: McGrath of Harlow That's odd - I'm just in the middle of reading a book about the Risorgimento, and last night I came to the bit where General Radetzky is putting down the Italian uprising. Pretty unpleasant too, if this account is accurate: "The cruelties of the enemy...are well-attested, and are revolting even to hardened twentieth-century consciences. Women were raped and bayoneted, or burnt alive, or buried alive in wells. A child spoked through with a beyoney was pinned to a tree and left to writhe just out of its mothers reach. In the pockets of a Croat were found two female hands, the fingers loaded with rings..." (The Bombs of Orsini, Michael St.John Packe) And it's such a jolly tune too. |
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10 Nov 03 - 06:08 AM (#1050967) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: McGrath of Harlow That's odd - I'm just in the middle of reading a book about the Risorgimento, and last night I came to the bit where General Radetzky is putting down the Italian uprising. Pretty unpleasant too, if this account is accurate: "The cruelties of the enemy...are well-attested, and are revolting even to hardened twentieth-century consciences. Women were raped and bayoneted, or burnt alive, or buried alive in wells. A child spiked through with a bayonet was pinned to a tree and left to writhe just out of its mothers reach. In the pockets of a Croat were found two female hands, the fingers loaded with rings..." (The Bombs of Orsini, Michael St.John Packe) And it's such a jolly tune too. |
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10 Nov 03 - 07:33 PM (#1051328) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Susanne (skw) Don't know - there were similar stories about the Germans in Belgium in World War I which turned out to be fabricated. (No doubt there were atrocities, but not against women and children as a rule.) |
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10 Nov 03 - 07:52 PM (#1051346) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: McGrath of Harlow As I understand it there were some horrifying atrocities in Belgium - mass executions of civilians as reprisals, for example - but they were exaggerated and fictionalised for propaganda purposes. And then after the war the balace went the other way and they were minimised, and dismissed almost entirely. The truth lay in between. One imfortuinate result of that was that reports of actual atrocities carried out by the Germans in the Second World War were often at the time taken to be the same kind of propaganda. Sadly, as has been made painfully clear, large scale atrocities as horrifying as those attributed to Radetzky's men have in fact taken place in our own time. |
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10 Nov 03 - 08:17 PM (#1051355) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Q (Frank Staplin) Just been looking over a list of tunes (at American Memory) used in the United States during the Civil War period by military bands. Of 175 titles, 71 are German (inc. Austrian). |
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12 Nov 03 - 03:08 AM (#1052183) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Wilfried Schaum McGrath - the report with the Croat and the hands loaded with rings seems believeable. It belongs to the Looting Dept. There are other reports from other wars: When you can't pull off the ring cut the finger. In this case cutting off the hands might be a measure to hasten the process. Especially with the Balcans such stories don't seem exaggerated. An old paratrooper told me a revolting story how they killed a caught partisan sniper. When I objected that this was a war crime he answered: You should have seen what they did to our comrades! So Onward Christian Soldiers, and forget Luk. III, 14! Disgusting. Wilfried |
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07 Jan 04 - 11:39 PM (#1088461) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: GUEST,DEFIANT hi i talk about of the military school from chile, th history from de prussians in chile begun in the year 1881 after the south pacific war ( CHILE- BOLIVIA- PERU (year 1879) )in these years a colonel called Emil Korner & a group for Prussia & later Germany teach the prussian military model to the chilean army, taking the german uniform & the military marches. today i can see the army using the german uniform & in september 19th the military parade using the "pikenhaube" class helmet this is a litle history from the army |
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14 Jan 04 - 11:43 PM (#1093058) Subject: prussians in chile From: GUEST,defiant the history of the prussians in Chile end`s in World War II, Chile that then was like ally and not like axis, maintained the uniforms of prussian model and the ranks, although the ranks pertaining to the generals continue being French, today all south america uses the uniform of prusiano cut with certain French variations Defiant |
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04 Sep 04 - 09:07 AM (#1264133) Subject: Wenn der Hund mit der .. From: GUEST,Neumannsklaus@gmx.de Hallo Wolfgang, hast du den Text von: "Wenn der Hund mit der Wurst übern Eckstein spring"? Klaus |
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04 Sep 04 - 09:51 AM (#1264148) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: MudGuard Hello Klaus, I do not (yet) have the lyrics of "Wenn der Hund...", but I found a different text with dogs for the Radetzky-Marsch Andy/MudGuard |
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05 Sep 04 - 04:03 AM (#1264589) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Liz the Squeak Oh thank you so much for refreshing this - now I've got the bloody tune going round my head! Ralphie - any news on that CD yet? Yes, I am still that sad! LTS |
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05 Sep 04 - 11:55 AM (#1264725) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: Wolfgang Sorry, Klaus, no, just this line ans a little bit more. Wolfgang |
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11 Sep 04 - 06:58 PM (#1269596) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Radetski march From: MudGuard I got the second line: Wenn der Hund mit der Wurst über´n Eckstein springt, und der Storch in der Luft einen Frosch verschlingt ... Still working on more ... |