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11 May 03 - 01:06 PM (#950511) Subject: the green banks of Yarrow From: GUEST Hello! Im hoping someone out there can help me out!? i've recently started singing the song 'Love lar-i' (or 'Green banks of Yarrow')i was wondering if anyone could supply me with any knowledge, but specifically any thoughts on the last verse (which is: O make my love a coffin of the gold so yellow, Where the nails they are scarce and the deal it is narrow, and bury her under the green banks of Yarrow, love-lar-i love lily love lee any ideas? i'm especially puzzled about the coffin descriptions? why 'scarce nails' and 'deal it is narrow'? my email is l.j.rutherford@ncl.ac.uk. Any thoughts will be much appriciated. thanks, lucy |
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11 May 03 - 02:39 PM (#950539) Subject: RE: the green banks of Yarrow From: Malcolm Douglas Just a textual corruption I should think, though I don't believe I've heard that particular set, which I suspect was found in Northern Ireland. It's been recorded by one or two revival performers; "Sisters Unlimited", for one (perhaps their sleevenotes indicate the source?) and possibly Bob Davenport. For further (general) information and links to other versions, see this earlier discussion: Banks of Green Willow. |
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28 Nov 03 - 09:04 AM (#1062516) Subject: RE: the green banks of Yarrow From: IanC I've only just found this little thread, while looking for something else. From the context here, I would disagree with Malcolm that this is just a textual corruption. Looks more to me like a local variant where the singer embellished the description of the coffin to emphasise how grand it should be. Deal forms a small tree, so its planks will always be narrow. The wood is very white, with a fine even grain. It was used, among other things, for the decking of very high class ships. A good example of the use of a similar descriptive phrase is in Captain Frederick Marryat's "The Three Cutters" (Chapter One — Cutter the First). "The deck, you observe, is of narrow deal planks as white as snow; the guns are of polished brass; the bitts and binnacles of mahogany: she is painted with taste; and all the mouldings are gilded." Nails were quite scarce in early times. Until well into the industrial revolution, they were made by hand. For larger items, including almost all furniture prior to the availability of cheap manufactured nails, wooden dowels (trenails) were used. Screws would come much later. Making a coffin using (scarce) nails would indicate that it was a fine object and relatively costly. Trenails are still used in timber framed houses and (usually called dowels in this context) in furniture. :-) |
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28 Nov 03 - 10:40 AM (#1062589) Subject: RE: the green banks of Yarrow From: Barry Finn As an a side on the nails. When sailors came to the islands in the South Pacific the islanders valued nails so much that the women would bargin for them with their bodies. The sailors started pulling the nails in order to have the pleasure of their company. In a few cases some of the ships were almost dismanteled. Barry |
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28 Feb 07 - 07:18 AM (#1981613) Subject: Lyr Add: LOVE LAR I / THE GREEN BANKS OF YARROW From: GUEST,roisin breatnach LOVE LAR I / THE GREEN BANKS OF YARROW We hadn't sailed far and we hadn't sailed any We hadn't sailed far and we hadn't sailed any When she cried out aloud for her baby Love lar I love lily love lee Up came the sea captain he spoke very boldly Up came the sea captain he spoke very boldly Saying I can get for you anything that you want Love lar I love lily love lee Oh fetch me a woman and let her stay near me Oh fetch me a woman and let her stay near me Oh fetch me a woman and let her stay near me Love lar I love lily love lee Up came the sea captain he spoke very boldly Up came the sea captain he spoke very boldly Saying I can do anything that any woman can Love lar I love lily love lee Hold your tongue foolish man don't you talk vainly Hold your tongue foolish man don't you talk vainly For you never knew what your mum did for you Love lar I love lily love lee Oh take me by the middle and lift me so softly Oh take me by the middle and lift me so softly And throw me over shipboard both me and my baby Love lar I love lily love lee Sometimes she did sink sometimes she did float it Sometimes she did sink sometimes she did float it Until she came to the green banks of Yarrow Love lar I love lily love lee Build my love a coffin of gold so yellow Where the nails they are scarce and the deed it is narrow And bury it under the green banks of Yarrow Love lar I love lily love lee Love lar I love lily love lee |
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28 Feb 07 - 08:53 AM (#1981699) Subject: RE: the green banks of Yarrow From: Scrump LOL Barry :-) |
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28 Feb 07 - 12:24 PM (#1981912) Subject: RE: the green banks of Yarrow From: Q (Frank Staplin) Comment by IanC on 'deal' may be misleading. Originally, the word, from Low German, applied to a plank, used in decking, etc. 'Deal' is usually applied to fir or pine, and in British usage is a sawn plank no more than seven inches wide and three inches thick. In the British timber trade, deal was a sawn plank 9 inches wide, no more than 3 inches thick, and at least 6 feet long (often 12 feet in England and 11 feet in the U. S.). Not pertinent here, but cabinet makers used to apply the term 'deal' to furniture made of less desirable woods, such as elm, often in narrow widths when compared with wide boards of mahogany, etc., used in better furniture. |