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25 May 03 - 03:10 PM (#958972) Subject: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Leo Condie ive heard many a thing about this book but it seems almost entirely impossible to track down these days. is anyone aware of any secondhand websites or even decent online music stores that might actually have this? cheers |
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25 May 03 - 03:14 PM (#958973) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: curmudgeon Go to www.bookfinder.com. There are currently three copies available as of this minute -- Tom |
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25 May 03 - 03:17 PM (#958975) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: SINSULL Ebay, occasionally. |
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25 May 03 - 03:18 PM (#958976) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: DMcG Or keep it in the Mudcat family: there's copies at www.collectorsfolk.co.uk, run by a Mudcatter. |
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25 May 03 - 03:24 PM (#958984) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: curmudgeon It is a wonderful book. Now that you can find a copy, you'll need to search out the LP that A.L. Lloyd did of a selection of songs from it -- Tom |
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25 May 03 - 03:29 PM (#958985) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Leo Condie thanks guys! maybe i'll get it sent to me in time to take it with me to ireland. |
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25 May 03 - 03:34 PM (#958990) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Leo Condie Just out of interest, are there any other folksong books (irish/scottish/english) as essential as this? ive found The Irish Song Tradition by Sean O'Boyle to have some wonderful tunes in it, but other than that my library doesn't seem too good (too much books with cheesy piano notation!) |
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25 May 03 - 03:49 PM (#958997) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Deckman I've just about worn out my copy of "The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem Song Book," 1964, Oak publications. Bob |
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25 May 03 - 03:49 PM (#958998) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: curmudgeon A. L. Lloyd -- Folk Song in England Peter Kennedy -- Folksongs of Great Britain and Ireland Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger -- The Singing Island |
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25 May 03 - 03:50 PM (#958999) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Leo Condie hehe. thanks O mysterious moderator for correcting my sheer stupidity. and thanks, bob, i'll look for that as well. |
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25 May 03 - 03:54 PM (#959001) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: GUEST,Q This little book couldn't have had better editors that Ralph Vaughan Williams and A. L. Lloyd. Paper on the 1959 edition tends to brown, and the same seems true of the 1976 reprint. It is increasingly hard to get and demands a new reprint (1959 price 3/6 or 95 cents U.S.). |
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25 May 03 - 04:04 PM (#959005) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Malcolm Douglas The English Folk Dance and Song Society will be re-issuing The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs later this year (though without Penguin in the title; that part belongs to the original publisher). The notes, references and bibliographies are currently being updated. More information when it becomes available. Fellside Records have recently released an expanded version of the record Bert Lloyd made of songs from the book. A coincidence, probably, as I don't think they were aware of EFDSS' plans, but a welcome one. |
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25 May 03 - 04:44 PM (#959032) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Desert Dancer Leo Condie wrote: Just out of interest, are there any other folksong books (irish/scottish/english) as essential as this? Check here: Basic Folk Library New Resource, which is an attempt to organize the resources in Basic Folk Library Permathread. (By the way, how does one find the permathreads now?) ~ Becky in Tucson |
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25 May 03 - 05:57 PM (#959071) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: OldPossum Malcolm, are you sure that Fellside record is the same one as the A.L.Lloyd one? I have an LP with the (predictable) title A selection from the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs Fellside FE047. The singers on it are Linda Adams, John Bowden, Martin Carthy, Roy Harris and Jez Lowe; but not A.L.Lloyd. It seems to be this one that Fellside is re-issuing. |
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25 May 03 - 06:19 PM (#959077) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Malcolm Douglas Yes, I'm sure. A.L. Lloyd: England and Her Traditional Songs: A Selection from the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. FECD173, 2003. Contents of the old Collector LP with a few added tracks. |
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25 May 03 - 06:26 PM (#959079) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Joe Offer Please note the contents thread in the croslinks above. I think we've succeeded in transcribing tunes and lyrics for all of the songs in the book, and giving annotations for most of the songs. My copy of the book is only 128 pages, yet it enjoys universal acclaim. It was edited by Ralph Vaughan Williams and A.L. Lloyd, and first published in 1959. I wonder how many times it was reprinted - my copy was printed in 1976, the seventh reprinting. This isn't the only book in the series. Here are some others:
The Canadian book and the first Australian book are real classics, and the others are also good. I have a copy of The Viking Book of Folk Ballads of the English-Speaking World a classic collection published in 1956. I understand that in the mid-1970's, it was republished in the UK as The Penguin Book of Folk Ballads of the English-Speaking World. I think there's a Penguin Book of Carols and a Penguin Book of Australian Ballads (which I just found at half.com and just ordered). Any others? -Joe Offer- |
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25 May 03 - 06:40 PM (#959088) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: greg stephens Best 3/6 I ever laid out.My copy is extremely well-thumbed. The songs are great, the notes on them masterpieces, the introductions(Lloyd and Williams) wonderful. What a book. |
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25 May 03 - 06:56 PM (#959094) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Snuffy Joe, I have made ABCs of all the songs in The Penguin Book of American Folk Songs (but not yet with lyrics). Would that be any use to you? Yes, Snuffy, that would be wonderful. I'll send you a personal message. -Joe Offer- |
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25 May 03 - 08:00 PM (#959110) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Bob Bolton G'day Joe, I think the Penguin Book of Australian Ballads is text (poems) only. There is also a Penguin Book of Australian Humorous Verse which is by Bill Scott - and contains several items that are songs ... without their tunes! (I supplied some of the material, particularly songs of John Dengate - a Sydney topical/satirical writer whose first book, My Shout, I published for the Bush Music Club - to Bill.) Anyway now we've sorted out the Penguin books ... who has a copy of the English Book of Penguin Songs for sale? (Serious enquiry ... ask the Poms ... er, English!) Regards, Bob Bolton |
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25 May 03 - 08:57 PM (#959119) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: JohnInKansas Desert Dancer - The little box that usually shows the default "Mudcat FAQ - Newcomers Guide" just above the listing of threads, on the "Lyrics and Knowledge" page has a "rolldown," if you click on the arrow, that includes "Mudcat Site Map and PermaThreads Index." Select that one, and click GO, and you'll find the PermaThreads. I'm not sure why it's there, instead of in the QuickLinks box - or why not both places, but it'll get you to the PermaThreads. John Hi, John - we figured QuickLinks was getting to be too long a list, so we didn't put the PermaThread Index there. We thought the top of the list of threads would be a good place for FAW, Site Index, and PermaThread Index, but maybe not. -Joe Offer- |
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25 May 03 - 10:05 PM (#959142) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: masato sakurai The CD is: Linda Adams, John Bowden, Martin Carthy, Roy Harris, Jez Lowe - A SELECTION FROM THE PENGUIN BOOK OF ENGLISH FOLK SONGS (Fellside FECD47) ~Masato |
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25 May 03 - 10:55 PM (#959156) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Stilly River Sage One afternoon in early 1998 I stood in my Dad's house and wished out loud for some sign that he was still around in some way. I had moved everything out and cleaned it in preparation for putting it up for sale. I turned in the empty room and the bare bookshelves caught my eye. Poking out from the top shelf was the corner of this little book, the Penguin Book of English Folksongs. I looked it over for a moment, and when I randomly opened it, the first song I saw was "The Golden Vanity," the song I had requested at the Song Circle that was held after his death. I was out there the next day, and though I knew I was pressing my luck, I went over to those same shelves to see if there were any other signs from Dad. Sure enough, I found a slim volume titled The Sex Life of Slugs! I know, I've told that one a couple of times before. But because of those events I really treasure this little book! SRS |
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26 May 03 - 01:20 AM (#959177) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Liz the Squeak Bob - do you mean the one written by Les Barker? Well, I do believe I have a spare copy, or you could just ask the man himself at les@mrsackroyd.com where I'm sure he'll be only too happy to sell you one. LTS |
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26 May 03 - 02:48 AM (#959189) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Bob Bolton G'day Liz, Out here in the colonies, I have only seen a single dog-eared copy ... a decade or more back ... and the possessor would not let it out of his hands! I guess I did suspect that it might have been the work of Les Barker (well, either him or The Kippers!) ... but I didn't think to ask him about it in Canberra over Easter - Damn! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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26 May 03 - 01:54 PM (#959362) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Mudlark Coming in a bit late on this one but I love my '59 edition of PGEFS. I especially like the Notes on the Songs at the back of the book...great background in very little space. Altogether a tiny treasure. True, the pages are dogeared and now tea colored, but the binding is holding a treat. |
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26 May 03 - 05:17 PM (#959430) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Marje I have a spare copy of the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs (1980 reprint of 1959 edition). Now, before you get too excited, it's in a dreadful state. The spine is almost totally missing - it's really just a pile of pages and the covers - but it's all there. It's been a favourite for years; the only reason I've come to realise what a state it's in is that I recently found another copy in a charity shop, in much better condition. I bought it to give to a friend but she has a copy already. . So my old copy is going spare, but I wouldn't ask any money for it, as it's such a mess. I'd just like it to have a good home. I'll be glad to post it (UK only!) to the first person to send me a PM with their address. It may be a couple of days before I get round to doing anything about this, but I will eventually. If you do PM me and get no reply, you'll have to assume someone else got there first (I'm saying this in case I'm flooded with requests). |
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26 May 03 - 06:56 PM (#959462) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Nigel Parsons Malcolm said (4:04 25 May): "The English Folk Dance and Song Society will be re-issuing The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs later this year (though without Penguin in the title; that part belongs to the original publisher). The notes, references and bibliographies are currently being updated. More information when it becomes available." If more details are available, folks here may wish to place orders. Or, it may be a suitable item to order via Mudcat: Can the Powers That Be take advance orders, with a small cut going to support the 'Cat ? Nigel |
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26 May 03 - 07:06 PM (#959468) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Nigel Parsons Following on from my previous comment: would a bulk advance order for this first song book encourage the re-issue of the others mentioned by Joe: The Penguin Book of Canadian Folk Songs, compiled by Edith Fowke, published 1973 The Penguin Book of American Folk Songs, compiled by Alan Lomax, published 1964 The Penguin Australian Song Book, compiled by J.S. Manifold, published 1964 The Second Penguin Australian Song Book, compiled by Bill Scott, published 1964 i.e. can the possible purchasing power of the 'cat prove to be a motivational force ?? Nigel |
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26 May 03 - 07:33 PM (#959478) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: masato sakurai I like Elizabeth Poston's carol books: The Penguin Book of Christmas Carols (London: Penguin, 1965) The Second Penguin Book of Christmas Carols (London: Penguin, 1970) ~Masato |
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27 May 03 - 03:26 AM (#959601) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Marje A quick follow-up to say I've had a reply to my offer and my spare copy of PBOEFS is now spoken for. |
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27 May 03 - 03:46 AM (#959604) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Joe Offer I thought I heard there was a Penguin Book of New Zealand Folk songs. Am I correct? -Joe Offer- |
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27 May 03 - 12:08 PM (#959814) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: GUEST,Peter from Essex I think Nigel's question would be better asked on EFDSS Forum. |
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27 May 03 - 01:22 PM (#959860) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Malcolm Douglas The point is that EFDSS owns the rights to the material in the PBEFS. It does not own the rights to any other "Penguin" song anthologies. However, it may well be that healthy sales for the re-issue might encourage those who do own the various rights (whoever they are) to consider re-publication in their own behalves. It's also the case that healthy sales of both this re-issue and of the forthcoming selection from Cecil Sharp's collections (due for release in August) may result in the publication of further material from the archives. If an economically viable demand can be demonstrated, the will is there. |
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27 May 03 - 06:22 PM (#960055) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Emma B I have a '64 copyof the Australian Song Book still kept lovingly in good condition but well thumbed and used. It does have all the 'dots' you might need and some excellent notes on the songs too. Also have original copies of the other three Penguin Books mentioned and the L.P. by Bert (just shows my age doesn't it!) |
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28 May 03 - 04:25 PM (#960748) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Skipper Jack I possess The Penguin Book 0f English Folk Songs. Mine is the "Reprinted 1961" version. The cover's long gone and the leaves are brown! Many of the songs are included on the 12" LP recorded by A.L.Lloyd on Collector label JGB 5001. I very much doubt that this recording is available now? Dave R. |
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28 May 03 - 04:29 PM (#960749) Subject: RE: Penguin Book of English Folk Songs From: Malcolm Douglas See my earlier posts in this thread. |