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28 May 03 - 07:24 AM (#960389) Subject: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Lidy Ok, there seems to be an awful lot going on "oop narth" (i'm not ridiculing, my family are Hull-based and I love them dearly!). And there seems to be a bit going on "dahn sahth", mostly represented by the good folks of southern hampshire. I live in Bucks and spend a lot of time in London. Anyone else reckon this area is seriously lacking in decent goings on music wise? Or do I just not know where it's happening? It seems that all the festivals I'm off to are a good two hour's drive from me etc. Anyone got any triad secrets (beds bucks herts; not some weird shanghai links)?! Would love to hear abou them. Cheers Lidy |
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28 May 03 - 07:51 AM (#960395) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Raggytash Take a look at the Folk Roots web site (froots.org, I think) It list many many festivals throughout the country |
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28 May 03 - 08:21 AM (#960403) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Dave the Gnome Well, I'm all for re-instating the Watford Gap myself. Keep the buggers down where they belong...;-) BUT, being the nice kind gnome I am, I suggest looking here Happy folking and cheers Dave the Gnorthern Gnome |
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28 May 03 - 08:23 AM (#960406) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Ian Hi Lidy, You will have Towersey Fest August Bank Hol Week end Just over the border in Oxfordshire by Thame near Aylesbury. |
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28 May 03 - 09:28 AM (#960445) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Roger the Skiffler Well, a lot of the Mudcatters down South are from the West Midlands, doing sterling missionary work. The Bucks and Beds crowd post here quite often,Julie B, Steve Parkes and others. Leadfingers usually has the skinny on folk things in Berks, King Street Smith on the skiffle scene and I've tried to interest people in the blues scene hereabouts to a deafening silence.... they are out there.... RtS (Birmingham Consul in Ascot) |
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28 May 03 - 10:40 AM (#960495) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak Don't forget Cllr, smack in the middle there. Or just smack Cllr in the middle.... LTS |
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28 May 03 - 12:05 PM (#960562) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Steve Parkes There's enough middle there for us all to smack, Liz -- or is it just a well-padded jumper? Talking of divides, when you get Oop North you find its actually an East-West divide, conspicuously marked out with a chain of mountains. Without it, nobody would be able to tell the Lanckies fromthe Yorkies; althogh I suppose they can tell each other apart. Steve (from the West Midlands, but now in the South Midlands) |
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28 May 03 - 01:22 PM (#960628) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Leadfingers Liddy,you dont say where you are in Bucks but I assume North.Try the Stoney Stratford Sunday Lunchtime session with Matt Armour at the Cock There wil be enough people there to point you at all sorts of local clubs and sessions.If you are further South come over to Maidenhead Folk Club (The Ferry at Cookham) every Thursday,Uxbridge (Crown and Treaty Tuesdays)or Tudor Folk at the White Hill centre in Chesham. |
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28 May 03 - 06:12 PM (#960801) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Herga Kitty Round here (5 miles south of Watford), the north-south divide is the Thames. But depending where you are in Bucks you might even make Herga on a Monday (although, admittedly, Chesham is in Bucks and Wealdstone isn't). Kitty |
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28 May 03 - 06:45 PM (#960839) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak Then of course, there is the south/south west divide - where the accents stop being Home Counties and start being 'yokel', round about the M5 I think...... LTS |
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28 May 03 - 06:49 PM (#960846) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak Or should that be the A30? There's a lady who knows where the A30 goes, and she knows it's a fair way to Devon..... LTS |
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28 May 03 - 06:50 PM (#960849) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST I'm from Yorkshire and the North is just marvellous. The end ;) |
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28 May 03 - 06:59 PM (#960860) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Raggytash Mr Steven Parkes ...............thats dangerous talk for a southerner (note the lack of a capital letter) and GUEST ? Some parts of the North are brilliant ............. the rest are in yorkshire |
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29 May 03 - 03:26 AM (#961025) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Steve Parkes Raggytash - have a care, sir! It's Stephen, if you don't mind! As my grandmother used to say, you can call me anything you like, as long as you don't call me late for my dinner ... but if you mis-spell my name, I'm liable to get spiteful! S |
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29 May 03 - 04:52 AM (#961055) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,noddy Hadrian had the right idea .Build a bloddy big wall and keep the English Out. |
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29 May 03 - 04:59 AM (#961059) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: John MacKenzie What did the Romans ever do for us?? Unfortunately the bloody thing doesn't work!! *BG*.....Giok |
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29 May 03 - 05:01 AM (#961061) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak Er.... don't let the Scots hear you calling them English.... Hadrian was on THIS side of the wall, and it was built as a psychological barrier at the end of the Roman Empire rather than any defensive or offensive feature. Call the Scots, English and we could have Bannockburn all over again! LTS |
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29 May 03 - 05:20 AM (#961069) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Ross It can't be that grim up north - Zanny Mouse moved there Have you ever seen the Unicorn magazine 3 monthly folk magazine Has a session page covering your area plus clubs Loads of stuff Send an unused gummed A5 self addressd envelope to Unicorn Magazine, Serif House, Dudley Street, Luton, LU2 0NT Ross sessions at The Bull, Barton-le-Clay every other Monday next session - 2nd June 2003 |
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29 May 03 - 05:30 AM (#961078) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Jeanie Lidy, it's a long way off yet, but here's a weekend event in Hertfordshire that promises to be very good: The Eighth Winter Sing at The Crown Inn, Buntingford, 14th to 16th November. Indoor camping. Contact e-mail on their flyer is: RSteveRolt@aol.com I went to a one-day event in Hitchin organised by the same people earlier in the year and it was excellent. A lovely crowd and great singing. And if you dare to venture into Essex, there's Moreton Midsummer Festival (near Ongar) coming up on 14th-15th June. Cheers! - jeanie |
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29 May 03 - 05:40 AM (#961082) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Steve Parkes And there's an "event" at Linslade (Leightion Buzzrd) on Sunday 8 June: there wil be a marquee for the musos,with "tune sessions" from 1-2 and 3-4 in the afternoon. Don't be put off by the word "tne", as I shall be singing (unless I'm asked not to, but I don't usually do requests!) Oh, and there's Folk on the Green at Stony Stratford soon -- anyone got details? Steve |
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29 May 03 - 07:20 AM (#961118) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: John MacKenzie Aye a ken fine whit ye mean LTS, ma wee wifie burnt ma bannocks jist this mornin'. Slainthe.....Giok ¦¬] |
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29 May 03 - 07:26 AM (#961123) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Raggytash The Romans also built another wall to the south of Hadrians Wall just to make sure, it also kept the Geordies out as well. It was/is known as the Antonine Wall and is shown on the Matthew Paris map of England c.1250 |
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29 May 03 - 07:31 AM (#961127) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Lidy Thank you all, for reaffirming my faith in bonny Bucks... Will hopefully see some of you soon. You can't miss me, I'm the one that's too young to like folk and has stupidly coloured hair. x |
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29 May 03 - 08:01 AM (#961144) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: IanC Here's a few more links for local folk ... What's On PermaThread Kevin McGrath's Session Links < href=http://members.aol.com/unifolk/>Unicorn Folk Magazine Also, some Bucks links ... Tudor Folk Club, Chesham, Buckinghamshire Wycombe Folk Club, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire Bucks District EFDSS List ;-) Ian |
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29 May 03 - 08:04 AM (#961147) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: IanC Try again ... What's On PermaThread Kevin McGrath's Session Links Unicorn Folk Magazine Some Bucks links ... Tudor Folk Club, Chesham, Buckinghamshire Wycombe Folk Club, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire Bucks District EFDSS List ;-) Ian |
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29 May 03 - 08:52 AM (#961176) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Steve Parkes Lidy, your description fits my daughter to a T! (Except that you're never too young to enjoy Folk!) Steve |
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29 May 03 - 09:17 AM (#961204) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Lidy I'm not your daughter! My dad's called Graham. And he doesn't like folk! Maybe there's something amongst us young folkies with the hairdye...i blame eliza carthy myself! |
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29 May 03 - 10:02 AM (#961230) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Santa The Antonine Wall is NORTH of Hadrian's. It is in what is currently Scotland but hopefully will someday be restored to be rightfully part of Northumbria. Lowland Scotland is of course English-speaking (well, sort of) as opposed to the Celtic fringes, and has more in common with Northern England than either have with the Highland Celts or Southerners. This posting has been brought to you by the Northumbrian Liberation Front...but it is still true. Especially that bit about the Antonine Wall. Incidentally, it has been argued that the Vallum, or ditch, south of Hadrian's Wall was put there to stop the Geordies stealing the lead from the roofs. |
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29 May 03 - 05:28 PM (#961473) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Zany Mouse Hey Ross - I moved BACK north. I'm originally from near Wombwell, West Riding of Yorkshire and proud of it. ZM |
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29 May 03 - 06:45 PM (#961512) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Herga Kitty Ross /ZM Rodesia is not the north. It's the East Midlands. |
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29 May 03 - 07:06 PM (#961527) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Raggytash Oh Bugger, someone knows their geography/history. Santa, sorry about that, just a jibe to wind up the Geordies |
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30 May 03 - 12:26 AM (#961645) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Blackcatter To me the North is up around Valdosta, Georgia. |
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30 May 03 - 03:52 AM (#961683) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Ross It's all up north from Bedfordshire & custard sandwiches Funny enough our local co-op is a south midlands branch so perhaps Bedfordshire people or up tut up north Ross Why do we go up smoke (London) when it's down? |
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30 May 03 - 03:56 AM (#961685) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak I still consider anything foreign if it's further north than Blandford, Dorset... and as that's only about 20 odd miles from the south coast, it doesn't leave a lot..... To add insult to injury, I'm considered a northerner because I don't live sarf o'da riva Taymes LTS |
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30 May 03 - 05:06 AM (#961707) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Santa We go up to London from railway practice. There are up and down lines, with up and down platforms on stations. The up line is the one going towards London. It seems odd to me too. A bit like the famous road sign on the A1: Hatfield and the North. What - all of it? |
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30 May 03 - 05:08 AM (#961709) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak So what happens when you go up to Oxford from London? If you get sent down from Oxford, how do you do it, because it's actually sideways? LTS |
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30 May 03 - 06:31 AM (#961745) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Zany Mouse HK As Mick has pointed out it depends on where you start from. Not sure where Rodesia is but I regard RHodesia as being north. Interesting to see you looked it up though ... ZM |
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30 May 03 - 09:11 AM (#961826) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: GUEST,Santa If the up direction from Carlisle station is to London or Newcastle, and the up direction at Newcastle is to London or Carlisle, which is up and which down at Hexham? Answers on a postcard to somebody else, please. If you think of Up as implying superior, I think that explains the motivation behind all the usages. Up North and Down South, that feels right. As for Oxford, that's an internal Southern matter, so only Southerners care. |
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30 May 03 - 09:17 AM (#961832) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Zany Mouse I must admit, when I lived in Yorkshire, as a youngest, I couldn't wait to hit the bright lights of the South, especially London. I suppose it is a sign of increasing age that, 30 years on, I find life on the Yorkshire borders far more exciting and infinitely more pleasurable. ZM |
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30 May 03 - 10:14 AM (#961869) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Steve Parkes There's no contradiction, Liz: you don't get sent down from Oxford, you get rusticated. (I read Inspector Morse as well!) Steve |
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30 May 03 - 10:35 AM (#961887) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Roger the Skiffler ...ouch! Glad I went to a white tile university. RtS |
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31 May 03 - 03:45 AM (#962405) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Liz the Squeak Morse may have been rusticated, but in Lord Peter Whimsy's day, one was sent down! LTS |
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05 Jun 03 - 03:11 AM (#962697) Subject: RE: The North-South Divide From: Steve Parkes Who would you sooner believe: a man who's been on the telly or a woman who worked in adverstising? |