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13 Jun 03 - 12:24 AM (#966702) Subject: Guitar Player on Darin's'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tom Dowling I listened to a decent CD version of Bobby Darin's "Dream Lover" recently and was struck by the dinsinctive guitar work. Any thoughts on how to find out who the musician was on that cut? Thanks, Tom D. |
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13 Jun 03 - 01:00 PM (#966819) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: Steve-o There is a ton of stuff on Bobby Darin, but I couldn't come up with any definitive "credits" from albums. A good "wild guess" would be Glen Campbell. |
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17 Jun 03 - 04:39 AM (#967439) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: fat B****rd Fred Neil. |
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17 Jun 03 - 04:05 PM (#967874) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: Walking Eagle Yeah, Fred Neil. My brother has all of Bobby Darin's 45's and 33's. |
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17 Jun 03 - 05:10 PM (#967923) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Vin Sclesa Fred Neil worked with Bobby Darin on the Brill building demo of "Dream Lover." He did not play on the session for the recording that was released. Darin's producer when he recorded "Dream Lover" was Ahmet Ertegun of Atlantic Records. Ertegun, like most producers in the 50s and 60s, had a pool of NY studio musicians that he called on. It could have been any of those. |
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22 Jun 03 - 11:50 PM (#970732) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tom Dowling My thanks to the responders. I appreciate, but doubt, the Glen Campbell suggestion. The guitar is Calypso/Cha-Lypso--almost 'proto-reggae' to my ear, sounds I would not associate with the Wichita Lineman. Is responder Vin Sclesa who I think it is? If so, I listen to you a lot and have since the old WNEW days. I appreciate the suggestions and regret that I didn't get back here sooner to say thanks. Be well, Tom Dowling |
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23 Jun 03 - 06:46 AM (#970831) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST Glen Campbell worked on the West Coast, not, as far as I know, in New York, and would be just a bit too young given the recording date of Dream Lover. I was listening to Darins Mack the Knife the other day after not hearing it for about 20 years: what a great performance, and it sounds to me like he & the orchestra modulate upwards through 5 different keys. |
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23 Jun 03 - 02:54 PM (#971091) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: fat B****rd As a point of interest I was bemused to find that Barney Kessel played on quite a few of the Coasters big hits. |
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23 Jun 03 - 03:15 PM (#971108) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: Mark Ross David Bromberg also did quite a few studio recordings back then, among them, I think, THIS DIAMOND RING if I'm not mistaken. And a big hello to Vin Scelsa who I haven't seen in many a year. Mark Ross |
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23 Jun 03 - 05:05 PM (#971171) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST Yes - all very imteresting, but can any of you answer the question put by Tom Dowling? Actually, I'd be really interested to know who the guitar player was. |
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23 Jun 03 - 05:18 PM (#971181) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tunesmith The reply at 05.05PM interests me. He/She is complaining because certain postings are drifting away from the thrust of the original posting. That is true but some interesting stuff is emerging. Anyway, is there a definition to "thread" ? Can a thread not weave and bend and even metamorphosize ( where's my dictionary )? Although, it can be a bit disappointing when it's your original thread that is hi-jacked! ! |
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23 Jun 03 - 11:49 PM (#971351) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tom Dowling Thread Creep is great with me. The nugget about David Bromberg, for example, was news to be, but it makes sense. Still, I remain interested in who that guitar player was and am glad that a couple other folks are curious as well. The sound was, for me, distinctive and essentially unprecedented. This was back in the hayday of bubble gum music on one or, if you were lucky, two, AM radio stations. Tom Dowling |
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24 Jun 03 - 02:42 AM (#971387) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: C-flat Another likely possible would be Tommy Tedesco ("The most recorded man in history") who worked regularly with Darin and just about everybody else too! |
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31 May 12 - 07:37 PM (#3357836) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Kenny Lee Another possibility could be Bob Bain. Vintage Guitar Mag (May 2012) has him listed as playing on some Darin tracks, and since he was on everyone else's, and played all kinds of TV/Movie themes, perhaps that is his work. Sounds like a Jazzmaster to me, but he might have gotten those great sounds from his Telecaster with the neck humsucker. |
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31 May 12 - 08:33 PM (#3357845) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: pdq very likely: Barney Kessel possible: George Barnes unlikely: Glen Campbell definitely not: David Bromberg |
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31 May 12 - 08:58 PM (#3357850) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Jerry Cole is another possible contender ? |
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31 May 12 - 09:04 PM (#3357851) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker "Dream lover" / "Bullmoose" Session Notes - http://www.bobbydarin.net/sn_030559.html |
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31 May 12 - 09:48 PM (#3357872) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: pdq possible: Mundell Lowe maybe possible: Al Ciola Fact is, the identity of the guitarist on that session is not known. |
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01 Jun 12 - 08:28 PM (#3358213) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: pdq OK, another source say it is definitely Al Caiola. Makes more sense than most of ther other possible choices since they mostly worked the West Coast and this session was in New York. Even Tommy Tedesco, who was from the state of New York, moved to Southern California early is his career. |
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03 Apr 13 - 05:19 PM (#3498469) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST ATCO used MICKEY BAKER a lot on leads (of Mickey and Sylvia's Love is Strange). Mickey was a big influence on Buddy Holly. And that's Mickey on a lot of the Coasters records such as I'M A HOG FOR YOU. |
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03 Apr 13 - 05:37 PM (#3498483) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: pdq It was Al Caiola. He lists that song on his website and takes credit for the featured guitar work. Caiola also admits he heard Duane Eddy records and ripped-off the low string lead style he used on the theme to Bonanza TV show and The Good, Bad and the Ugly movie soundtrack. I think he is still alive, in his mid 90s. |
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03 Apr 13 - 06:05 PM (#3498494) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: pdq |
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24 Mar 14 - 05:11 PM (#3612480) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,calico1947 Fred Neil was the 12 string guitar player on the "Dream Lover" demo session. According to Michael Seth Starr in his biography on Bobby Darin (Bobby Darin: A Life) it was Neil Sedaka who suggested that the guitar part be put up an octave. Fred, Al Caiola, or whoever did the final session still copied Fred Neil's original guitar part. |
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24 Mar 14 - 11:58 PM (#3612543) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: PHJim Mickey Baker was such a versatile player. He played with many jazz players as well as those already mentioned. I bought Baker's yellow and black Jazz guitar book in about 1960 and still use most of the chord shapes and progressions when I pay swing. I recall seeing Gambel Rogers playing at a festival and, recognising some of Baker's progressions, I asked, "Did you study from Mickey Baker's Jazz guitar book?" He answered, "Didn't everyone?" |
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25 Mar 14 - 12:23 AM (#3612546) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Guest - Texas Guest One name that has not been mentioned is Jim (Roger) McGuinn who played with Darin for a time. Just might be that he's the one you're lookin' for. Jus' sayin'. Cheers. |
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25 Mar 14 - 12:38 PM (#3612685) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tunesmith McGuinn was 17 in 1959! He certainly wasn't doing top session work then! |
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21 Nov 14 - 02:04 PM (#3679019) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Guest Let me throw a kink into this discussion - According to my information - it was the Seattle 1950s-early 60s jazz-rock band The Frantics that backed Darin on "Dream Lover". |
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10 Jun 15 - 03:51 PM (#3715865) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST it was George Barnes who also did guitar solo on Lipstick on your Collar |
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10 Jul 15 - 04:40 PM (#3722718) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,tom draghi I was wondering who this was and found your site. it is also (according to my ear) the same guitarist who did the work on steve lawrence's "Pretty Blue Eyes". So, one could ask steve lawrence if he knows the answer. |
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10 Jul 15 - 04:54 PM (#3722721) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,tom draghi Al Caiola also is the touring guitarist with steve lawrence so it makes the most sense. |
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11 Jul 15 - 01:41 PM (#3722917) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tunesmith Here's a link to a George Barnes album. No mention of "Dream Lover", but, of course, it could still be George but maybe permission to use the track was denied. BUT, it does say that George was on The Coasters " I'm a hog for you" that the previous posters says was Mickey Baker. George Barnes session tracks |
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11 Jul 15 - 05:36 PM (#3722923) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: Bonzo3legs A very good guitar player, makes you realise how awful some of the guitarists were on early British rock records! |
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28 Jul 17 - 11:17 PM (#3868929) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Kenny Lee I will offer, whomever played guitar on it, that this is a Jazzmaster, middle selector position (I cut my teeth on my brother's 1960, in 1961), and this was most likely one of the very first ever recorded, from what I can tell (I cannot remember hearing one earlier than this). Sure would love to know for sure, who this was, because it is some excellent playing, back in the day when you got it right, or you messed up the whole recording. |
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29 Jul 17 - 11:39 PM (#3869033) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: Hagman Some info of interest (but with no answer to the question) here |
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14 Jan 18 - 01:49 AM (#3899468) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Dave H Not too sure about the Fender Jazzmaster....I'll bet is was a Gibson Les Paul Custom. |
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14 Jan 18 - 05:27 AM (#3899509) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Tunesmith Well, to my ears, the sax players were the guys playing the interesting breaks back then, but not many people seem interested in them. |
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14 Jan 18 - 05:48 AM (#3899515) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: Bonzo3legs "Not too sure about the Fender Jazzmaster....I'll bet is was a Gibson Les Paul Custom" a Black Black Beauty for sure, played through a Gibson amp of course!! |
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14 Jan 18 - 09:04 PM (#3899692) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,lou I was ten when this came out, and also Peggy Lee's Fever. Every song mentioned here has other songs link on Utube - I just had a wonderful nostalgia trip! Great music was happening in 1959! Same year for Kind of Blue... and Black Orpheus! |
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12 Apr 20 - 04:48 PM (#4045685) Subject: RE: Guitar Player on Darin's 'Dream Lover '? From: GUEST,Peter L. Neff According to Elaine Orlando, Fred Neil was the guitarist on the March 1959 Darin sessions that produced "Dream Lover" and "Bullmoose." He also was the guitarist on the Dream Lover demo, which was discovered by Joel Dorn at the derelict New Jersey warehouse that had housed all of Atlantic Records master recordings before a devastating fire swept through the facility and destroyed most of them. |