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18 Jun 03 - 03:34 PM (#968566) Subject: BS: Genetically engineered decaf From: artbrooks Japanese genetic engineers have apparently produced a "natural" variety of coffee that has 70% less cafeine. Final results aren't in, but this may be a boon to coffee addicts that prefer to spend less time climbing the walls and walking on the ceiling. More here: AP article. Opinions? |
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18 Jun 03 - 04:27 PM (#968587) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: McGrath of Harlow What's the point of drinking coffee without the active ingredient? Just indifferent tasting brown liquid. If you're addicted to coffee, it's probably the caffeine you're addicted to, and you'll just drink more cups if it's weaker. Tea's a much better drink anyway - but we've been through that in a recent thread. Less caffeine per cup, but the normal practice of tea drinkers tends to be to have several cups. |
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18 Jun 03 - 06:05 PM (#968635) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: MarkS There are some varieties of tea which are pretty potent caffeine wise. Probably be smart to check with your vendor before you experiment. Mark |
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18 Jun 03 - 06:06 PM (#968637) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Sorcha No, I'm addicted to coffe, not caffeine. Can't have much caffeine because of heart problem, but can't do without coffee either. I think it's a great idea. |
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18 Jun 03 - 06:07 PM (#968639) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: NicoleC Oh joy. Another genetically engineered plants that hasn't been tested for safety and WON'T be tested for safety, but we're suppose to smile and be unwitting guinea pigs. As a person with a severe food allergy, I take a dim view of genetic engineering. They frequently insert genes from other plants, the process is secret so you can't find out if they used your allergen, they aren't labelled so you can't avoid them, and even supplies that are theoretically GMO free are frequently contaminated. I just can't WAIT until the day someone inserts an onion gene into a carrot that sends me to the hospital or even kills me because I can't taste what I need to avoid. Oh joy. |
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18 Jun 03 - 06:26 PM (#968649) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Clinton Hammond decaffeinated coffee?? What in the hell is the point??? That's about as dumb as non-alcohol beer... |
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18 Jun 03 - 06:54 PM (#968658) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Amos For background:
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18 Jun 03 - 07:35 PM (#968687) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: catspaw49 Hey McGrath.....Not to put too fine a point on it, but tea can suck my dick and I find coffee a lot more than "indifferent." I've had all kinds of tea including Bill Sables' properly prepared Yorkshire tea which was at least interesting whereas most teas taste like a dirty root dipped in stagnating water.....and I have no idea who's "root" was being dipped. Anyone who prefers tea over coffee would also probably eat shit and run rabbits. Just an opinion............. Spaw |
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18 Jun 03 - 07:55 PM (#968700) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: McGrath of Harlow Caffeine isn't the significant active ingredient in chocolate and cocoa and so forth - as I understand it, it's theobromine, which is related, and has a similar effect. That'd be the ingredient that it would be more relevant to measure. |
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18 Jun 03 - 08:00 PM (#968703) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: catspaw49 Well geez........Just like the lady in your life, I can't get a rise out of you huh Kevin? Spaw |
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18 Jun 03 - 08:52 PM (#968722) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Amos Spaw: You're projecting too much over not projecting quite enough, huh? A |
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18 Jun 03 - 11:12 PM (#968757) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: artbrooks Are you implying that Spaw can't quite project enough? I'd be glad to forward some of the spam I get to him...a lot of it seems to address that problem.... |
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18 Jun 03 - 11:28 PM (#968765) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Amos Well, it's Spaw's way -- a dual-manifold obsession with exhaust gases and shaft performance ratios. Too long in the pit, I guess -- carbon monoxide or somp'n. That's a good idea, Art!! If we both send him all our Penile Enhancement spam, and he takes advantage of only 10 per cent of the offers, and only one in ten acheives results, he'll STILL quickly be able to do that creek-dipping trick from the railroad overpass that he used to brag about... A |
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18 Jun 03 - 11:38 PM (#968769) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Sorcha ROFLMAO here...........well, even one cup of real hot chocolate after 4 PM keeps me from sleeping......so whatever it is does affect me. Sorry, had not thought about the genetic/allergen thing. Might not be such a good idea after all. Sometimes goes limp??? |
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18 Jun 03 - 11:46 PM (#968773) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Amos Theo Bromine...wasn't she a nineteenth century torch-singer? Songs like "Only a Bird in A Gilded Cage", "Break the News to Mother", and "After the Ball is Over" come to mind... A |
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19 Jun 03 - 02:00 AM (#968815) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Peg theobromine = "food of the gods." I love coffee and gave it up for a few months recently but am drinking it again...I do think there is good decaf to be had, and sometimes "cut" my beans with some decaf ones, or with roasted chicory. I am currently drinking (not this moment but mornings) some organic shade-grown French roast which is very nice...Trader Joes sells it. Shade-grown is coffee that allows small (non-corporate) growers to see more profit... Some say that coffee "addicts" may also be addicted to the pesticide residue... Caffeine is certainly not the only "active substance" in coffee...it's rather complex chemically, and its taste and aroma (also complex and related to its growing region etc.) are also a factor... |
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19 Jun 03 - 10:28 AM (#969026) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: GUEST,Mr Red Instant coffee and regular tea have roughly the same caffien. Filter coffe has about double so 70% puts it less than regular tea. A result!Personally I prefer instant and weak at that and never drink tea but it has to be said they are all aquired tastes - ask anyone who never drinks cola what their reaction is --- pint of dilute phosphoric acid? why I'd rather drink this murky brown liquid thanks. have a nice day, y'all. |
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19 Jun 03 - 10:32 AM (#969030) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: MMario hey AMOS! Where is JOLT on your list? I don't see JOLT listed! |
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19 Jun 03 - 10:38 AM (#969034) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Amos Sorry, MM -- I just nicked the list from a web page, I didn't write it. Serious omission, that... A |
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19 Jun 03 - 11:04 AM (#969047) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Bill D ahem! Mr. 'spaw, sir.....having drunk mostly tea (GOOD tea) for 30 years before discovering about 6-7 years ago how to make GOOD coffee, I must inform you that I negotitated that entire era without eating shit OR running rabbits. During the big snows, when I ran out of coffee, I happily survived for days on tea, and enjoyed it......I still prefer the amazing wide variety of teas to coffee for pure 'flavor' and drinking pleasure.....but....coffee does something. That makes it 'different' that coffee, not better. There...enuf of a rise for you? Coffee is funny stuff...there are, as noted, many compounds in it..(700 or so, I think) and it does get a toe-hold on yer system. Now that I have succumbed to its siren call, I go buy good coffees, (and it does NOT require Strabucks to provide same at exhorbitant prices) and mix GOOD decaf with GOOD regular, so I can have more cups at one sitting, and thus, if I NEED the extra **BANG** on bad days, I can switch to full strength! (and Amos...I know you swiped the list, but it still amuses me that anyone rates coffee by the 5-oz. cup! Who do you know that drinks 5 oz. servings? *grin* My standard mug is about 14-15 ozs., and I usually have 2 of those...(mixed maybe 60-40 reg to de-caf) |
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19 Jun 03 - 11:28 AM (#969067) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Amos Actually I drink black coffee by the pot, which may explain a few things...I dunno where they came up with those wussy units of measurement!! :>) A |
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19 Jun 03 - 12:23 PM (#969111) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: catspaw49 I dunno' Bill......I remember seeing some awful funny tracks in the snow. What size shoes do you wear? Spaw |
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19 Jun 03 - 01:30 PM (#969178) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Bill D 2½EEEE...why? |
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19 Jun 03 - 01:39 PM (#969186) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Sorcha So, since is is obviously very bad for us, is it going to be next on The List of Controlled Substances that Little Bushie can arrest us for? |
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19 Jun 03 - 04:12 PM (#969273) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Bill D "Colombian" will take on a whole new meaning...*grin* |
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19 Jun 03 - 05:34 PM (#969317) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Burke From what I've been seeing recently, tea, both black & green, is high in antioxidants. That means good for your heart, Spaw! |
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20 Jun 03 - 10:22 AM (#969704) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Peg Green tea has also been proven to help with weight loss... I actually developed a taste for instant coffee in England some years back (you can get much better variety of instant coffee, including organic! there than in the States) but I do not for a moment try to convince myself it is "real" coffee...sort of like I would never expect carob to be a substitute for chocolate...but I like carob, too. I make wonderful brownies with carob frosting...mmmmm, they'd go really well with coffee! But even better with cold milk. Ooops, better stop or this wil turn into another recipe thread. |
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20 Jun 03 - 10:31 AM (#969711) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: MMario granted I am on the East Coast (and have been told that "real" starbuck's coffee can only be experienced on the West Coast) but EVERY cup of Starbucks I've ever had tasted "burnt" to me. And this from someone who likes french roast brewed so thick you can walk on it! |
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20 Jun 03 - 11:14 AM (#969736) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: artbrooks I confess to liking Starbucks and their coffee. Of course, they are a three (long) block walk away, and the closest "real" (I guess that means non-chain, locally owned) coffee house is about 6 miles. I drink plain, black, coffee, and Starbucks charges me $1.40 for 14 oz. in my own mug. The price for a refill is 50 cents, and they charge me about half the time. I don't buy their beans...the local grocery sells fair trade, shade grown for $4.69 a pound. |
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20 Jun 03 - 11:24 AM (#969738) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Gypsy where do'ya live art? i am currently paying 9$ a pound for beans. OUCH! |
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20 Jun 03 - 11:25 AM (#969740) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: artbrooks Albuquerque, New Mexico |
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20 Jun 03 - 11:46 AM (#969752) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Bill D Mario--Starbucks 'out west' didn't taste any different to me, but I confess, I only had one, in order to say I had coffee from the original Starbucks in Seattle. (Yes, that's me) There does seem to be a local preference for heavily roasted out there...maybe they are jaded--coffee-wise. |
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20 Jun 03 - 12:12 PM (#969765) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: Sorcha I'm with Mario on this one. Don't like Starbuck's at all. |
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20 Jun 03 - 12:47 PM (#969774) Subject: RE: BS: Better decaf through engineering From: MMario Jolt - 71 milligrams per 12 0z. serving. That puts it well below most of the coffee ranges. |
