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21 Jun 03 - 10:37 AM (#970169) Subject: BS: Ornithology 'leucistic' great tits From: Jim McLean Are there any knowledgable ornithologists out there? I have just photographed four 'leucistic' great tits in my garden in North London, UK, and would like to discuss this with someone. Cheers, Jim McLean |
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21 Jun 03 - 10:48 AM (#970171) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Peter T. One of my favourite words -- When I am tired and washed out, I always say that I am leucistic. (I know nothing about birds). Though everyone should see Winged Migration!! yours, Peter T. |
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21 Jun 03 - 11:48 AM (#970194) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Metchosin ahhh! imagine those two exposing themselves again, what is this world coming too? Let us know if you manage to snap any photos of great brown tits, Spaw would probably be interested. |
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21 Jun 03 - 12:23 PM (#970197) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: MudGuard Wouldn't an anatomist be the right person to discuss with about the great tits? ;-) SCNR ;-) Btw, none of my dictionaries (paper or online) contain the word leucistic. What does it mean? Must be something special, otherwise the great tits would be very boring birds... |
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21 Jun 03 - 12:43 PM (#970209) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: CarolC It's the opposite of "melanistic". |
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21 Jun 03 - 12:47 PM (#970212) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Amos It's apeculiar term in birdwatching -- birds are divided into albinistic and leucistic. Leucite, as a root, means kind of grayish, but I know no more, except that Peterusing it to mean tired is funny because it puns on the leukocytic process. Not same but funny. A |
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21 Jun 03 - 12:50 PM (#970215) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Amos Ah, here we go: "Describes plumage aberration of genetic origin, typically of faded or washed-out coloration."(B25 - waterfowl identification associated terms) - Plumage aberration of genetic origin, typically of faded or washed-out colouration; not to be confused with albinism."(B8 - waterfowl natural history associated terms). From http://212.187.155.84/wnv/Lists_Gloss&Refs/List_Keywords.htm. A |
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21 Jun 03 - 12:53 PM (#970219) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Amos The term is also applied to geckos, axolotls and hognose snakes, for example. Here's a picture of a lecistic gecko for your entertainment. Actually it is the business end of Spaw's organ. As you can see it isn't getting much exposure to daylight.... A |
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21 Jun 03 - 01:04 PM (#970222) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: MudGuard Thanks, Amos, for explaining the word! Carol, I drew a blank on melanistic as well - but thanks to Amos I think to know what melanistic means (too much color)... |
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21 Jun 03 - 01:23 PM (#970233) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Mark Clark And here I thought this was a Charlie Parker thread discussing the real Ornithology. Come to find out this thread is for the birds, not Bird. - Mark |
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21 Jun 03 - 01:41 PM (#970242) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: CarolC Sorry MudGuard. I was being a smart-ass. Couldn't help myself for some reason. ;-) |
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21 Jun 03 - 01:49 PM (#970246) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: catspaw49 Amos, if your organ is getting a lot of light, you're not using it properly. They are natural cave dwellers and always in search of a cave. If yours is seeing a lot of daylight you are spending too much time searching and not enough "caving." Getting a lot of good ornithnologic conversation here huh? Betcher really glad you posted............... Spaw |
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21 Jun 03 - 02:10 PM (#970252) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Bee-dubya-ell I'm no ornithologist, but great tits are great tits, whether leucistic, melanistic or albinistic. They're all great. Hell, even lesser tits are great tits. |
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21 Jun 03 - 02:31 PM (#970262) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: MudGuard No problem, Carol, I like to give answers of that style myself ;-) MudGuard/Andy |
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21 Jun 03 - 03:16 PM (#970269) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: GUEST feathered or unfeathered birds? |
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21 Jun 03 - 03:40 PM (#970276) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: GUEST Jim--judging by the response to your question--you can safely assume there are no ornithologists on here. Post a photo if you can or even better post one to The Bird Observatory--Holme--Norfolk :o) |
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21 Jun 03 - 04:32 PM (#970286) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Jim McLean I did enjoy the response, patronisingly, but Mudcatters are light hearted people! I would like to post a photo but don't know how. Can I find The Bird Observatory on the net? A rhetorical question as I shall try Google. Thanks all, Jim McLean |
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22 Jun 03 - 01:32 PM (#970447) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Yvonne Hi, Jim Sorry--what I meant to type was-- Norfolk Ornithological Association, Holme Observatory, Holme, Norfolk. Yes, they do have a web site but can not remember it. If you put 'NOA' in the google search engine you will find it :o) Diz |
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22 Jun 03 - 03:15 PM (#970492) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Jim McLean Thanks Diz, found it OK. They were pleased to hear from me. I contacted the RSPB and they were astonished and puzzled by my photo. Have sent copies to various ornithological places worldwide as these birds seem to be very rare. Cheers, Jim |
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23 Jun 03 - 02:03 PM (#971058) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Yvonne Would love a photograph myself! What did they look like? I can not find anything in any of my ref books? Anyway, glad to be of help--and (being a sad anorak) I am very, very envious! Cheers Diz |
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23 Jun 03 - 02:47 PM (#971087) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: gnu Spawlunking ? Spewlunking ? Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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24 Jun 03 - 04:45 AM (#971422) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Schantieman Here's another one. How rare are skylarks? In the sand dunes north of Liverpool they seem to be quite common - walking along the promenade I tend to see/hear them about everty quarter of a mile or so. A few weeks ago I saw & heard one on the Long Mynd in Shropshire. Another yesterday (heard but not seen) in the dunes at Ainsdale. Steve |
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24 Jun 03 - 06:30 AM (#971453) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Jim McLean Diz, PM me or post your email address and I'll send you a photo. Cheers, Jim McLean |
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24 Jun 03 - 09:53 AM (#971537) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Dave the Gnome Not a great ornithologist myself but we a currently minding 2 baby robins who are the result of a breeding pair in our climbing hydrangea! It is only a small 'courtyard' style yard but full of greenery which invites, as well as the robins, blackbirds ans a host of others. Trouble is, and why we are having to watch, is our resident moggie, Homer. He has decided he would like to mind the 'babies' himself but we are not sure his intentions a completely honourable! Ah well. Couple of days and they should be flying and sitting in the house gutters, looking down at Homer and laughing along with all the sparrows:-) Cheers DtG |
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24 Jun 03 - 09:56 AM (#971543) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: GUEST,Waylon Heron Peter T says he 'knows nothing about birds'. Oh woe is me! Is all forgot! How can he be so cruel as to forget me so soon. |
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24 Jun 03 - 01:47 PM (#971688) Subject: RE: BS: Ornithology From: Yvonne Hey, Steve Skylarks are not rare but not as prevelant as they used to be due to modern farming methods :o( They are a joy to hear around the Hoylake area in the spring, I agree. It is considered to be very lucky to have Robins' nest in your garden but extremely unlucky if one should enter your house!! Not a clue why? Will pm you Jim--thanks for that. Diz |