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07 Jul 03 - 01:42 PM (#978412) Subject: (URGENT: HELP REQUIRED)IRISH FOLK SONGS From: GUEST,RAY To whom it may concern, Can you help me please I am seeking help to write background introductions for Irish Folk Songs, which I intend to use in a book I am compiling at the moment. Below is an example of the type of introductions I have written to date. BRENNAN ON THE MOOR (The Author of this song is unknown) Brennan was a highway man who robbed in counties Cork and Tipperary and in the Kilworth Mountains near the town of Fermoy, he was hanged between 1804 and 1810 CARRICKFERGUS (The Author of this song is unknown) This song was first known as The Sick Young Lover. The song as it evolved may be a combination of two songs, one English and one Irish. A broadsheet containing both English and phoenetic Irish verses was printed by Haly in Cork. Haly of Cork printed circa 1830.* It is a very evocative tune set in Carrickfergus in Co. Antrim The songs I seek help in writing similar introductions for are as follows A Rainy Night In Soho A Pair Of Brown Eyes Boston Rose Dirty Old Town Fiddlers Green Flight Of The Earls Gra Mo Chroi Home Boys Home Streets Of New York Take Me Up To Monto The Big Strong Man The Boys From The County Armagh The Dying Rebel The Irish Rover The Man From Mullingar The Rare Ould Times The Spanish Lady The Star Of The County Down Whiskey On A Sunday If you feel you can me with my request please contact me at the following e-mail address raycelt@eircom.net i would greatly appreciate your assistance. Kind regards, Raymond. |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:04 PM (#978431) Subject: RE: (URGENT: HELP REQUIRED)IRISH FOLK SONGS From: Allan C. For what it may be worth, "highway man" should be one word, as in, "highwayman". |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:08 PM (#978433) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:11 PM (#978435) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Same question, last week Origins of Irish Folk Songs |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:39 PM (#978462) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Hmmm. According to : Introduction to my Irish Ballads You've been making this request since 2001. Answer is still to look in the Forum discussions. We've had a lot of discussions over the years covering many of these songs. We collected the links together into the one thread, Song Origins - Permathread, which is given above. Have you gone through those discussions yet? Once you do, if there is still information you need, re-post to this thread or the one you created last week. |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:48 PM (#978465) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca You might also look for information in DT Attirbution - Authors Wanted. Some of the songs, such as Rare Ould Times, are still in copyright and the author's name(s) may not be in the DT, but given in this thread. |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:54 PM (#978469) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca The thread from last week was: |
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07 Jul 03 - 02:59 PM (#978472) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: 8ch(pl) Hi George, It's Glen from Harbour folk. |
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07 Jul 03 - 07:31 PM (#978647) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: GUEST,Learaí na Láibe Hi George That Song Origin's Permathread is a brilliant resource and so easily accessible. I believe you're mostly responsible. Great work and well done. Learaí na Láibe |
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07 Jul 03 - 10:13 PM (#978739) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Joe Offer Ray, have you ever looked at the responses in the other threads? It's best not to expect e-mail replies. Also, it's best to discuss particular songs in threads that pertain to the song itself. Long lists like this tend to get less of a response. Besides, you'll find much of this information has already been posted. Please experiment a bit and learn how to use our Filter and search engines before you start another thead like this. -Joe Offer- |
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07 Jul 03 - 10:21 PM (#978741) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Pene Azul I have incorporated the information from the Song Origins Permathread into our thread groups. Groups pertaining to song origins can be found in Song Origins & Info (also in the Quick Links). Jeff |
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08 Jul 03 - 12:52 AM (#978787) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Jeff, it's still better to utilize the Lyric Knowledge Search. I noticed on the one song "Whiskey on a Sunday", the Song Origins and Info link doesn't link to any of the Seth Davis threads which are a lot of the Mudcat threads on this song. Leara, thanks. I started the ball rolling. I wanted to have a central thread to place links to the various threads which discussed the backgrounds or origins of a lot of the songs. We kept seeing requests, though not as extensive as the list that Ray started posting in 2000. I suspect if he'd taken a gander at some of the threads in the Permathread, or Jeff's Song Origins, he'd have most of the answers by now. Oh well. Thanks for the kind words, Leara. |
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08 Jul 03 - 07:47 AM (#978922) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Noreen email sent |
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10 Apr 10 - 06:56 AM (#2883524) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: GUEST there is a song containing lyrics " down the offaly way" anybody know it? |
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10 Apr 10 - 10:24 AM (#2883632) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Dave Hanson ' Dirty Old Town ' is NOT Irish, if you need an introduction all you need say is that it was written By Ewan MacColl about his home town, Salford. Dave H |
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10 Apr 10 - 10:31 AM (#2883636) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Emma B in addition - 'Whiskey On A Sunday' is NOT Irish and it isn't even the title! The song is called 'Seth Davy', who was a busker in liverpool, and was written by Glyn Hughes. |
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10 Apr 10 - 10:36 AM (#2883638) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Emma B and also for the record 'Fiddler's Green' was written and copyrighted by John Connolly, a Lincolnshire (English) songwriter who also wrote 'Punch and Judy Man' |
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10 Apr 10 - 10:37 AM (#2883639) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Dave the Gnome I am pretty sure that of the original list a fair few are not actualy Irish, including, I beleive - Dirty Old Town Fiddlers Green Home Boys Home The Big Strong Man The Irish Rover (I think this was written by an Englishman) The Spanish Lady Whiskey On A Sunday I could be mistaken of course but I suspect they are all songs covered by Irish artists rather than Irish in origin. Often included on compilations of course and sold to unsuspecting tourists:-) DeG |
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10 Apr 10 - 10:48 AM (#2883646) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Rob Naylor I don't think you're mistaken, David. I'm pretty sure that none of those you've noted are Irish....but than I've had people *insist* to me recently that Kate Rusby "is a lovely Irish singer"!!! |
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10 Apr 10 - 11:01 AM (#2883650) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Emma B Home Boys Home is 'related' to a number of other traditional songs including The Oak and the Ash, Home Dearie Home, Rosemary Lane and the bawdy Bell Bottom Trousers It is almost certainly English in origin! |
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10 Apr 10 - 11:06 AM (#2883652) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Jeri You are answering a query posted in July 2003, which probably HAS been answered if you follow the links provided. The thread was refreshed by a GUEST asking "there is a song containing lyrics 'down the offaly way' anybody know it?" I'm guessing there might be just a wee Mondegreen in there. |
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10 Apr 10 - 03:43 PM (#2883796) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: Dave the Gnome The fact that it is 7 years old does not make the list any less wrong does it? Or has the length of time made all those song Irish? BTW is the wee modegreen Irish as well? :D (eG) |
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10 Apr 10 - 05:45 PM (#2883872) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: MartinRyan Variety, surely? Offaly (note capital (Birr)) is fine. Regards p.s. If anything it's a monde-green-white-and-gold. |
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10 Apr 10 - 05:56 PM (#2883880) Subject: RE: (Urgent: Help Required) Irish Folk Songs From: MartinRyan All that said, I don't know the song - but will make enquiries among my midland friends. Regards |