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10 Jul 03 - 10:48 AM (#980572) Subject: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST Fears that the current administration would not be as open-minded with our land have been unfounded. The BLM just issued the permit for another "Burning Man" festival. Sounds a bit like a cross between a POW-WOW and a Grateful Dead Concert. This Counter-culture event, held in the northern Nevada desert, sounds like a natural for many Mud-Catters. Thirty thousand people expected. Biggest event on BLM property. |
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10 Jul 03 - 09:46 PM (#980974) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: michaelr I should think that the intersection between the Burning Man crowd and the Mudcat folkie crowd would be a slim one. Burning Man has nothing in common with a Grateful Dead concert -- it's not a concert but a live art happening in the Dada tradition, laced with New Age rituals. Here's their site. I've got it: It's a Dada woo-woo pow wow! Cheers, Michael |
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10 Jul 03 - 09:54 PM (#980976) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: Amos They are kindred souls in that they celebrate finding better ways to look at things and refuse knee-jerkism. They just do it from another corner of the sandbox, is all... :>) A |
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10 Jul 03 - 10:06 PM (#980984) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST Thanks guys. I have no idea what it is, that is why I through it out for discussion. No rules about anything, rumor has. |
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10 Jul 03 - 10:23 PM (#980987) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: NicoleC Not entirely true. There are many rules about safety and cleaning up -- and Burning Man has a top notch reputation about leaving the grounds better than when they came in. Also some rules about where cars can go and such -- but otherwise it's a temporary community, and the you and your neighbors make the rules about what's acceptable in your area of the Burning Man city. |
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11 Jul 03 - 12:11 AM (#981046) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: katlaughing I used to visit on the old Greenpeace BBS with an admin guy who'd been at Burning Man, from the very beginning when it was just a few people. By 1983/84, he was already getting disgusted with how it had become well-known and overtaken by "newbies." There've been major news stories on tv about it over the years. I cannot imagine what he must think of it, now. He was going to quit going just before i lost contact with him in '85, he was so digusted with it. From what he said, it seemed it was mostly a bunch of bikers in the beginning. |
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11 Jul 03 - 01:32 AM (#981058) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: open mike well it may have something in common with the cat they have thier "ART THEME" , too! I bet there are a lot of folks there who cherish free expression, and crative thinking, as do many catters. the art cars are quite something, and there has been a fiming crew there on teh cyber bus. you might find their flix here: http://www.cyberbuss.com/vtrips.htm I saw this bus full of folks (freaks) at a remote hot springs in the desert a few years back...they have a radio broadcast from their bus...i do not know if they have live music, but i see they did a broadcast with a class of school kids. |
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11 Jul 03 - 10:54 AM (#981271) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST Sounds like the connection to Mudcat Forum is not that tenuous. Thanks for the tip on litter. The only image of Woodstock some have is the arial view of miles and miles of trash. |
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11 Jul 03 - 11:21 AM (#981287) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: Blackcatter Been their twice - '93 and '94. It is huge and from what I've heard has changed dramatically over the years. Kat - you're right it was kind of a biker rally at first and then because of the growth in New Age and especially Pagan religion in the U.S., the event started getting a different crowd. There are plenty of rules at Burning Man, just not as many as in a typical city. They attendees must pick up after themselves, treat the local flora & fauna with respect (not that there's much there to begin with) Nudity is allowed, but in the freakin' desert it's pretty minimal anyhoo. There are families as well as singles, retired people as well as college students. I'm sure if you took a poll just about every profession would be represented there. At the time I went I was working for the Elections office in Orlando. It's mainly a time to hang out with people who generally have the same interests of spirituality/religion as you do and buy and sell stuff that is homemade or hard to find. It's just a big ass gathering that eventually sacrifices a giant wickerman (though not everyone puts the whole symbology behind it). |
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13 Jul 03 - 01:04 PM (#982396) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST Thanks, michaelr, the web site is exactly what we needed. The newly re-named Dada woo-woo pow wow is a bit north of I-80, the huge E-W freeway that goes through Reno. Location clearly favors Californians, at least down to the Bay Area. Northern Nevada is nothing like the Palm Springs-Las Vegas-Phoenix desert areas in the summer. Expect 90 degrees +/- a couple, and the lowest humidity in the country. Clean air and low population mean that so many stars are visible that lifetime city people will not believe what is really out There. |
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13 Jul 03 - 01:39 PM (#982408) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST,Q Obviously stolen from Santa Fe, where the burning of Zozobra is a yearly occurrence, started in the 1920s by the "Art Colony." |
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14 Jul 03 - 08:03 PM (#983398) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST General rule in rural America: "Do anything you want but don't scare the livestock". |
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15 Jul 03 - 10:20 PM (#984168) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: pdq To whom it may concern, the guest postor is now legit.! Didn't hurt a bit! |
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15 Jul 03 - 11:49 PM (#984187) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: michaelr Welcome, outwest! Cheers, Michael |
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17 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM (#2702522) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: open mike This event is coming up in Sept. http://www.burningman.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man this should probably be in the B.S. section (or B.M. for Burning Man) |
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17 Aug 09 - 06:20 PM (#2702596) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST Leave it UP here. It is EVERY-BIT as musical and folk and American As all that FEST-BRIT stuff that infests the upper area each spring. |
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17 Aug 09 - 07:31 PM (#2702654) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: Amos While it is a spectacular, original, pure-dee grassroots festival it also tends toward geekery and wildass machines doing unexpected things. I love it, although I have only been virtually. But music? What's the story of music at burning man? A |
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17 Aug 09 - 07:37 PM (#2702656) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST,hg hi garg |
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17 Aug 09 - 11:43 PM (#2702823) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: JohnInKansas The original burning man was reportedly a "mostly hippie" thing. It has morphed into something somewhat elsewise, but still retains some of the original flavor. I haven't checked out the site linked, but it should be easy to find photos and the rulebook. During the past year there has been a conflict of MAJOR proportions (relative to the size of the event) over copy -- rights to themes and logos, so the BLM hasn't been the only obstacle to continuing the celebration. Hopefully the problems have been resolved - or put on hold. One of the comments found a year ago was that the number of tickets are limited, and need to be purchased (and paid for) months in advance. A rule of interest is that entry is ONE TIME ONLY, and if you leave during the festival you are NOT allowed back in. You also must, as a result of the single-entry rule, bring all the fuel, food, water, and other supplies you may need with you at the first time you go in. (No sending out for a pizza.) I believe generators are allowed to run the air conditioner in your camper, but remember you have to bring a week of fuel with you - and that's a whole bunch of propane/gasoline. There also have been strict prohibitions against "exchanging money" although "trading goods and services" is generally encouraged. In recent years I believe some "vendors" have been admitted; but they're strictly licensed and regulated by the event managers. (This could change?) The site is "high desert" and temperatures can run to 120 F (49 C?), and the sun is "very bright." A lot of the scheduled events appear to take place at night, when it gets down to a mere 101 F(?). The photos from past years show lots of very elaborate (and very large) art installations consisting of neon and laser lights. (Apparently some people do bring a lot of generator fuel.) It looks like a lot of fun, but a first-timer of my fragile age would probably make enough mistakes to die by the third or fourth day, and someone would have to pack the bones out (required by camp rules). John |
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18 Aug 09 - 03:53 AM (#2702888) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: open mike there are nearly 50,000 people who attend, and some prepare for most of the year, inventing vehicles, and other stuff...esp. alt. energy systems. They get together in affinity groups...one group is a yacht club...someone brings a large swim. pool and everyone else brings water to fill it with... there have been births and deaths there. |
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18 Aug 09 - 07:18 PM (#2703370) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler How come nobody's mentioned the original Burning Man in God's own Country? The Burning of Old Bartle has taken place annually since the year dot at West Whitton in Wensleydale on the Saturday nearest to St Bartholemew's Day (August 24th). It has never had any connection with neo-pagans (though it has real pagan origins), nor has it been hijacked by hippies or (worse) people selling tickets. (Are You going Everses?) |
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19 Aug 09 - 06:01 AM (#2703666) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: GUEST,.gargoyle "Burning Man" is a wonderful event. It seems to be founded on the Zozobra Festival, of Santa Fe New Mexico held in late August and this year early September. Only 30,000 attend the the NM event - the price is right "free" if you sit on the hillside or five-bucks if you donate to Kiawanis.
In NM It is the immolation of "Old Man Gloom" - you can also find its
For years hearing of Burning Man - I always believed it was the NM
http://www.zozobra.com/history.html
Sincerely,
I like the concept noted in the history of stuffing the monster with old parking citations and divource papers. |
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23 Aug 09 - 03:11 PM (#2706790) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: open mike this is coming up on labor day weekend |
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23 Aug 09 - 03:48 PM (#2706822) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: pdq "The site is 'high desert' and temperatures can run to 120 F (49 C?), and the sun is 'very bright.' " ~ JohnInKansas Oh, give us a break! The highest recorded temperature ever in the United States, outside of the Furnace Creek area of Death Valley, is only 118o F........... Ever! Expect about 85-90o F at Burning Man with low humidity, unless it's raining, which is rare. |
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23 Aug 09 - 04:03 PM (#2706826) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: Q (Frank Staplin) Cooler in Santa Fe, at the burning of Zozobra, now in its 85th year. Expect day temperatures in the 70s, lows high 40s. Altitude 7000 feet. |
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23 Aug 09 - 05:09 PM (#2706869) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: open mike several record high temps have been recorded in U.S. 120 deg. F + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes it regularly gets 115 - 120 in the Redding CA area most summers http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2006/jul/julyext2006.html Death Valley has hit 134 http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/usa/calif/wdeathva.htm |
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23 Aug 09 - 05:21 PM (#2706875) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: open mike http://blackrockdesert.org/friends/current/conditions http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=rev&smap=1&textField1=40.65167&textField2=-119.35417 http://blackrockdesert.org/wiki/index.php/Weather_Satellite_Imagery |
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23 Aug 09 - 06:23 PM (#2706904) Subject: RE: 'Burning Man' festival goes on From: pdq Well, here are the official records from US government source. Yes, 120+ has been recorded a few times. Still, Burning Man is more likely to be 82o F that 100+, much less 120+. State high temperature records State Temp Date Station Elevation (feet) Ala. 112 Sept. 5, 1925 Centerville 345 Alaska 100 June 27, 1915 Ft. Yukon 420* Ariz. 128 June 29, 1994 Lake Havasu 505 Ark. 120 Aug. 10, 1936 Ozark 396 Calif. 134 July 10, 1913 Death Valley N/A Colo. 118 July 11, 1888 Bennett 5,484 Conn. 106 July 15, 1995 Danbury 450 Del. 110 July 21, 1930 Millsboro 20 Fla. 109 June 29, 1931 Monticello 207 Ga. 112 July 24, 1952 Louisville 132 Hawaii 100 April 27,1931 Pahala 850 Idaho 118 July 28, 1934 Orofino 1,027 Ill. 117 July 14, 1954 E. St Louis 410 Ind. 116 July 14, 1936 Collegeville 672 Iowa 118 July 20, 1934 Keokuk 614 Kansas 121 July 24, 1936 Alton 1,651 Ky. 114 July 28, 1930 Greensburg 581 La. 114 Aug. 10, 1936 Plain Dealing 268 Maine 105 July 10, 1911 N. Bridgton 450 Md. 109 July 10, 1936 Cumberland and Frederick 623, 325 Mass. 107 Aug. 2, 1975 New Bedford and Chester 120, 640 Mich. 112 July 13, 1936 Mio 963 Minn. 114 July 6, 1936 Moorhead 904 Miss. 115 July 29, 1930 Holly Springs 600 Mo 118 July 14, 1954 Warsaw and Union 705, 560 Mont. 117 July 5, 1937 Medicine Lake 1,950 Neb. 118 July 24, 1936 Minden 2,169 Nev. 125 June 29, 1994 Laughlin 605 N.H. 106 July 4, 1911 Nashua 125 N.J. 110 July 10, 1936 Runyon 18 N.M. 122 June 27, 1994 Lakewood N/A N.Y. 108 July 22, 1926 Troy 35 N.C. 110 Aug. 21, 1983 Fayetteville 213 N.D. 121 July 6, 1936 Steele 1,857 Ohio 113 July 21, 1934 Gallipolis 673 Okla. 120 June 27, 1994 Tipton 1,350 Ore. 119 Aug. 10, 1898 Pendleton 1,074 Pa. 111 July 10, 1936 Phoenixville 100 R.I. 104 Aug. 2, 1975 Providence 51 S.C. 111 June 28, 1954 Camden 170 S.D. 120 July 15, 2006 Kelly Ranch/Usta 2,339 Tenn. 113 Aug. 9, 1930 Perryville 377 Texas 120 Aug. 12, 1936 Seymour 1,291 Utah 117 July 5, 1985 Saint George 2,880 Vt. 105 July 4, 1911 Vernon 310 Va. 110 July 15, 1954 Balcony Falls 725 Wash. 118 Aug. 5, 1961 Ice Harbor Dam 475 475 W. Va. 112 July 10, 1936 Martinsburg 435 Wis. 114 July 13, 1936 Wisconsin Dells 900 Wyo. 116 Aug. 8, 1983 Basin 3,500 *Elevation estimated. Source: U.S. National Climatic Data Center (last updated August 2006) |