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10 Aug 03 - 10:04 AM (#999646) Subject: Cosmetheka Material From: GUEST,Gonzo2003 Please anyone, help finding material (CD or tape details) for Cosmetheka (I hope I spelled it right? A Midlands duo (one believed sadly dead now :(( ) that did music hall types songs and skits. Details and availability, CD or tape numbers, please, to help out a friend met at Sidmouth, who is not into these computer things.. (First post EVER on Mudcat) Greets... Gonzo. |
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10 Aug 03 - 10:43 AM (#999661) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Geoff the Duck Dave and Al Sealey were Cosmotheka. I had one old LP, but don't currently have equipment set up to do anything with records. There are certainly Mudcatters who know more about the duo than I ever did. I couldn't find anything useful on the Web.. Alan Sealey passed away in December 1999, Mudcat Thread . Quack! Geoff the Duck. |
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10 Aug 03 - 12:25 PM (#999704) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Jeanie Hi Gonzo ! May your first post to Mudcat be one of many more to come ! I bought this Cosmotheka CD earlier this year, so it should be readily available - and very good it is, too. Details are: Cosmotheka 'You Only Had To Ask !' - Folk Sound Records Ref. FSCD 55 (C) 2002 Songs on it are: 1. Wot a mouth 2. Don't do it again, Matilda 3. Mrs. Carter 4. It's a pity to waste the cake 5. It's a great big shame 6. Love, Love, Love 7. Little Billy's Wild Woodbines 8. The Kangaroo Hop 9. The other department, please 10.Thuthie 11.I can't do my bally bottom button up 12.Wot I want is a proper cup of coffee Cheers ! - jeanie |
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10 Aug 03 - 03:29 PM (#999811) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Pork Sausage Mike Yeah!, jeanie is correct with her details Dave Sealy appeared at the Ringwood folk club in Hampshire UK about a year ago and was v. nervous.... altho' he is well known by the members. It was his first performance since the loss of his brother in early 2002. Look at:- www.veteran.co.uk they have lots of v. early music hall songs too. Cheers PSM |
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11 Aug 03 - 06:47 AM (#1000150) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Steve Parkes Mike, Dave has made quite a few appearnces since Al died (in 1999), although I don't know if any were solos; he's done quite a few appearances with two other guys (names escape me at such short notice) with "100 tunes in 100 minutes". I haven't seen im for a couple f years myself, so I don't know what he's up to lately. Steve |
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11 Aug 03 - 06:53 AM (#1000152) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Kevin Sheils He's done an excellent solo spot at The Old Rose and Crown Walthamstow in the past year as well as the Pop Goes the Century show (100 songs etc) as part of the Bakelite Boys with Andrew Frank and George Hinchcliff (of the Ukelele Orchestra of GB). The CD referred to earlier in the thread is an excellent memory of Cosmotheka. |
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11 Aug 03 - 08:49 AM (#1000178) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Geoff the Duck Haven't heard of Andrew Frank for years. I remember him performing with Mike Mann in the late 70's or early 80's (Crewe & Nantwich Folk Festival in particular). They did a very entertaining act. Quack. GtD |
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11 Aug 03 - 02:27 PM (#1000360) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Skipper Jack Cosmotheka recorded a real goldmine collection of lesser known Music Hall songs I possess three of their LP's produced by Highway Records: "A Little Bit Off The Top" from 1974. " Wines & Spirits" recorded 1977 "A Good Turn-out" from 1981. I would be surprised if they have not been re-recorded on CD? |
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11 Aug 03 - 02:46 PM (#1000369) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow There were a few LPs - I'll hunt them out and give details, if someone doesn't do it before me. I hope somewhere there is some record of them on video, because they really needed to be seen to get the whole picture (which is true of most pictures). I would think that their performance at Sidmouth Arena Theatre a couple of years would probably be available. |
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11 Aug 03 - 04:06 PM (#1000428) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Skipper Jack Here are the track details of the recordings: "A Little Bit Off the Top" Highway Records (No: SHY 6002) SIDE 1 1 You Don't Want to Keep on Showing it Mary 2 Wait till the Work Comes Round 3 Let's All Go Mad 4 'Arry 'Arry 'Arry 5 A Little Bit off the Top 6 Ragtime Waltz SIDE 2 7 Robin Redbreast 8 'E Dunno Where 'E Are 9 Mrs Carter 10 Riding on a Motor Car 11 Little Billy's Wild Woodbines 12 The Other Department Please "Wines & Spirits" Highway Records (SHY 7001) SIDE 1 1 Good Little Girl 2 The 'ouses in Between 3 The Baby's Name 4 Little Dolly Daydream 5 Down The Road 6 Up Went my Little Umbrella 7 The Golden Dustman SIDE 2 8 The Ragtime Ragshop 9 The Kangaroo Hop 10 Hitch Coo 11 Johnny 12 Robin Redbreast 13 Music Box Tune 14 Only Come Down for the Day 15 Timothy Let's Have a Look at it 16 Just Like The Ivy "A Good Turn-out" Highway Records (SHY 7015) SIDE 1 1 Never Let Your Braces Dangle 2 The Night Began to Fall 3 The Skipper of the Mercantile Marine 4 Don't do it Again Matilda 5 Love, Love, Love SIDE 2 6 I Can't do my Bally Bottom Button Up 7 It's a Great Big Shame 8 The Grizzly Bear 9 Back Answers 10 Proper Cup of Coffee |
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12 Aug 03 - 03:12 AM (#1000671) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Steve Parkes They made one or two appearances on The Good Old Days, which probably don't give much impression of what they were really like live. There are no end of radio series, some of which give a good idea of the atmosphere. Don't know if they are available from the BBC. Steve |
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12 Aug 03 - 03:59 AM (#1000681) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: mouldy I saw them at the Amber Festival in 1981 and thought they were great. The only recording I ever had of them was on a compilation by Radio Derby's folk programme, sold as a charity fundraiser in 1987, or thereabouts. Andrea |
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12 Aug 03 - 06:08 AM (#1000715) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Gurney The Beeb might have something, I think. Some years ago the NZ National Programme played them as a feature for 3 Saturdays in a row, about 15mins a time. I recorded them, but with a mike from speakers, so the quality is only good enough for learning the words. |
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12 Aug 03 - 08:31 AM (#1000769) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Steve Parkes There's a "new" CD available from Perrott's Folly. |
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12 Aug 03 - 09:19 AM (#1000789) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow The Sidmouth Arena Theatre was a vintage Cosmotheka show, and if the video exists it'd be great to get hold of it, and to see it made widely available. The video just about everything in the Arena shows, though the emphasis is on the dancing, so I'd be surprised if there isn't a record of it - though there might be copyright issues that wouldn't apply with the dancing teams in the same way. Is there anyone who could maybe approach Dave Sealy about this? It'd be a brilliant Christmas present. |
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12 Aug 03 - 10:12 AM (#1000817) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Kevin Sheils The Cosmotheka show at the Arena was 1998 with Chas 'n' Dave. I've just checked the JKL video web site and they don't have anything listed for that year which matches that Concert. I'll try and contact Dave Sealy to see if he can help. It's likely that the show was not made commercially available as it also involved C&D, and there may have been rights issues there, but there may be a possibility that the Cosmotheka bit on it's own could be (if it exists). JKL video may not have thought that Cosmotheka alone would be worth releasing but I'd guess from this thread that there culd be demand if the necessary clearances were obtained. |
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12 Aug 03 - 06:39 PM (#1001071) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: GUEST,Gonzo2003 Thankyou all so much, your information is most usefull and gives me many chances to find the material, needed by my friend. Kevin, I remember that show very well, only missed one siddy in the last 10 year, that was the real WET one !! (Weather of course) I certainly seemed to have started a good thread, I hope others will find the content usefull. We had them at our local folk club, not long before the sad death, I will treasure my few photo's taken at the time. I will certainly visit this site more often.. Regards to all.. Too many names to remember individually.. Gonzo. |
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15 Aug 03 - 10:20 AM (#1002682) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Peterr They were great fun, and never pretended to do anything more than sing the songs - ie they weren't into recreating the music hall style. Since I moved away from Redditch 25 yrs ago I've been singing stuff from their records, which my mates still up in Worcestershire don't, as it was Cosmotheka's home ground. Incidentally, even when they were touring all over the place Alan said doing Redditch club made them nervous, as everyone knew them personally. Hope you get your info. |
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15 Aug 03 - 06:36 PM (#1002950) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: rodentred I guess if the records were on Highway they have gone the sameway as the Nic Jones et al to Dave Bulmer of Celtic music so won't see the light of day someone, or lawyers, do the necessary |
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15 Aug 03 - 07:23 PM (#1002973) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow Well, in a sense I'd say they were recreating the Music Hall feeling in a way that Music Hall reenactors often fail to do. They brought the songs to life and made them feel relevant as well as fun. Remember the one they found about the Klu Klux Klan, treating them as figures of fun who liked going around dressed up in scary sheets, silly buggers? |
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15 Aug 03 - 08:38 PM (#1003001) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow "Silly buggers" referred to the image of the daft Klansmen presented, not to Cosmotheka. |
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18 Aug 03 - 03:43 AM (#1003874) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Steve Parkes Not long after we all "celebrated" the anniversary of WWII in 1989 (or was it 1995?), I asked Dave if he'd come across a song called "The Wop and the Jap and the Hun", which we Stonnall Players hadn't been allowed to sing (Not surprising, really) when he was researching "Keep SmilingThrough", their WWII songs radio series He had, of course; but told me of one he'd found called "Belsen Bill", which is as much lacking in taste as it's possible to be. (I have to take his word for that!) Steve |
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27 Oct 03 - 02:21 PM (#1042723) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow I was playing a Cosmotheka LP just now which I hadn't played for some time, and this thread came to mind. I started wondering if Kevin Sheils got anywhere trying to track down that video footage of them at Sidmouth (or anywhere else). I noticed on the back of the record - "Cosmotheka" produced by Richard Digance in 1985, and issued by Dambuster as DAM 008, and there's a warm appreciation of them from Chas and Dave: "We first heard of Cosmotheka four or five years ago, when somebody lent us a tape of them. We thought it was great and we've been fans of them from that day on. We've since worked with them on gigs and they approach their work with an enthusiasm that's good to see. Another thing we like about them is the way they will burst into song at the slightest excuse. Whether on the plane, in the pub or on the coach. We've had some great sing-ups with these boys. They know a fantastic amount of Music Hall songs and they've got this ability of making every song they sing sound as if it was specially written for them. Anyone who likes to listen to REAL songs will love this LP - we do." It occurred to me to wonder whether Chas and Dave might have a copy of a video of that show they did at Sidmouth with Cosmotheka on the bill. The other Cosmotheka record I've got is "A Good Turn-Out" from Highway Records in 1981. And I see there's a recent compilation You Only Had To Ask. And here's another link with stuff about this, and about "Pop Goes the Century", with Dave Sealey. They are brilliant to listen to, but it'd be so good to be able to see Al and Dave together once more. There must be something of them on video, somewhere... |
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27 Oct 03 - 06:34 PM (#1042858) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow And I see from that last link that "Their TV appearances included such programmes as 'The Good Old Days', 'The Bob Monkhouse Show', 'Roy Hudd's Hall of Fame' and their own series from Pebble Mill entitled 'A Postcard from Cosmotheka'" - so there's the material for a compilation video, if it hasn't been wiped. Maybe someone on BBC Four will someday get their head round putting a programme together bringing it all together... |
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27 Oct 03 - 08:39 PM (#1042922) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: fantum Gonzo, The lyrics for Thuthie are in here somewhere . Type Thuthie into the searh box Fantum |
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27 Oct 03 - 08:47 PM (#1042928) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow "Thuthie" - and it's on one of those records I mentioned. |
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28 Oct 03 - 04:01 AM (#1043029) Subject: RE: Cosmetheka Material From: Steve Parkes Dave Sealey has an enormous collection of sheet music and 78s. About 15 years ago he promised to send me some ragtime songs, which my then singing partner and I were very keen on. I'm still waiting! But if you can pin him down, he'd be an excellent source of material. Steve |
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30 Oct 03 - 10:36 AM (#1044541) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Kevin Sheils Kevin McGrath wrote I started wondering if Kevin Sheils got anywhere trying to track down that video footage of them at Sidmouth (or anywhere else). I can confirm that the video footage of the Sidmouth concert (at least a copy if not the original master) exists but I wouldn't like to do anything yet 'til I've spoken to Dave Sealey, as I'm not sure the video was officially agreed to. I'll chase up this weekend. I know that Ken Lees is trying to book Dave for our club in the new year but I believe he is busy with panto stuff around this time. Will follow up soon, it would be good if it could be made available. |
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30 Oct 03 - 12:23 PM (#1044649) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Peterr If it ever becomes available,I'll have one |
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30 Oct 03 - 12:57 PM (#1044670) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: McGrath of Harlow That's brilliant! If it can be made available before too long, that'll be grat - buit the main thing is that it exists. That was a great - and typical - performance. |
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13 Jan 07 - 04:41 AM (#1935083) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Sue Does anyone know how I could get hold of any Cosmotheka CD's or records of their music hall material? It's quite easy to find the World War Two songs, but not the rest. Many thanks. |
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13 Jan 07 - 01:01 PM (#1935331) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: gnomad There was a CD issued about 4 yrs ago "You Only Had To Ask" I got mine from Folk Devils, but they don't list it now. I can't say whether Rocking Chair (Mrs Casey) stock it as since they redesigned their site I find it almost magically difficult to navigate. Folk Sound Records FSCD55 is the number, no address shown for FolkSound. Dave Sealey website says to contact them. |
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14 Jan 07 - 10:12 AM (#1936157) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Folksound Records You should be able to get it from Mrs Casey, or Living Tradition, both of whom have stock. Or you can get it direct from us: PO Box 4549 Coventry CV4 0DR England. Tel: 02476 422225 Email: info@folksound.co.uk We are re-designing our own website at the moment, and it is temporarily out of action. New one will be up and running in the next couple of weeks. www.folksound.co.uk www.rootsrecordsonline.co.uk for the shop. Hope this helps. |
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14 Jan 07 - 01:01 PM (#1936322) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,terrier Peterr posted ### They were great fun, and never pretended to do anything more than sing the songs - ie they weren't into recreating the music hall style.### Alas I only got to see Cosmotheka once but IMHO they were absolutely recreating the style of the old 'Hall performers. Life was hard on the music hall circuit; if a performer was not up to entertaining the crowd they would well and truly 'die' on stage. The thing I remember about Cosmotheka was the way they exploded onto stage with a well practiced routine guaranteed to hit any audience between the eyes. Just what was wanted to please those partisans at the turn of the century who would take great delight in jibing and booing any act who did not deserve their favours. The folk club of today is a pale imitation of those early Jin Palaces where performers fortunes could be won or lost within seconds. |
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01 Apr 07 - 07:44 AM (#2013294) Subject: Dave Sealey From: GUEST,Ann Woodhouse Dave was touring around the Midlands with Don MacLean and Malcolm Stent a couple of years ago. We remember then both so well playing at the old Bell and Pump folk club in Brum when Derek, now sadly departed, used to pack'em in. We have three old L.P's to remind us of those great times. |
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23 Apr 07 - 04:02 PM (#2033696) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Steve Parkes Ah, many happy memories of working with Dave & Al! I learned quite a bit from them (and others), which stands me in very good stead these days on the Isle of Wight. I think I've got all their LPs and one tape, but no CDs. Must sort that out sometime. |
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15 Jan 10 - 08:58 AM (#2812603) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Richard Tree I hear a rumour which I hope is True that cosmotheka are coming back with father and son? Any dates, news, web site details? |
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15 Jan 10 - 10:16 AM (#2812667) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Rasener Yes I heard that, but can't remember who told me now. |
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15 Jan 10 - 04:59 PM (#2813028) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Ross Campbell "You Only Had To Ask" (Cosmotheka) and "With a Little Bit of Luck" (Dave Sealey) available from the Folksounds shop here http://www.rootsrecordsonline.co.uk/products/6589 Ross |
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15 Jan 10 - 05:53 PM (#2813090) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Rasener That doesn't answer Richard Tree's question. I have sent Dave Sealey a message. |
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15 Jan 10 - 10:44 PM (#2813334) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: michaelr Yes it does: With a little bit of luck. You only had to ask. |
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15 Jan 10 - 11:16 PM (#2813350) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Rasener Is there something I am missing? That Cd is an old one of Dave and his brother - or am I wrong? I have the With A Little Bit Of Luck CD and Dave did that show at Faldingworth What we are talking about, is Dave and his son starting up and carrying on the name of Cosmetheka. |
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16 Jan 10 - 02:03 PM (#2813749) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw YES. Dave is doing a show with his son Dan (member of Ocean Colour Scene) re-creating the Cosmotheka material. Currently looking for bookings. If you want to book them, contact Alan Bearman Music. |
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16 Jan 10 - 02:19 PM (#2813768) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Rasener Thats where I have seen it. Thanks Graham |
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16 Jan 10 - 04:29 PM (#2813865) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Peterr 'Currently looking for bookings'????? How will they find the time to sleep? |
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20 Jan 10 - 04:36 AM (#2816553) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Rasener I found the info ~ New to ABM ~ ~ THE MUSIC OF COSMOTHEKA ~ Dave Sealey, the remaining member of the renowned music hall duo, Cosmotheka, is joining forces with his son, Dan to recreate some of the old musical mayhem for which the original duo was so famous. Dan Sealey, having grown up with the songs, has his own take on the material. An accomplished professional musician, as bass player with Ocean Colour Scene, he is no stranger to the big stage. His guitar skills and dry wit introduce a compelling new dimension to the collaboration. As instigator of the new venture, Dan is determined to drag his crusty, ancient, musical relic of a father shouting and bawling into the twenty-first century. So far, he's winning hands down. ~ Available for Clubs, Concerts and Festivals~ |
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20 Jan 10 - 11:30 AM (#2816740) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,kenny I remember seeing them on a TV programme, probably some time in the 1980s. Song was "Don't Do It Again, Mathilda". I might even still have it on VHS video tape. |
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20 Jan 10 - 01:01 PM (#2816815) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Tunesmith I remember seeing Cosmotheka doing a "set piece" a couple of times which involved a singer who was "planted" in the audience, and who, at a pre-arranged moment, started singing, seemingly spontaneously, with the performance on the stage. I thought it worked really well. In retrospect, I wonder if that was an old music hall device. |
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06 Feb 10 - 05:19 PM (#2831751) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Richard tree to the villain; any reply from Dave yet? |
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07 Feb 10 - 11:12 AM (#2832112) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Rasener I din't follow it up as we know now that Cosmetheka are back on the road. |
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15 Feb 10 - 07:04 PM (#2840449) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Singer "I remember seeing Cosmotheka doing a "set piece" a couple of times which involved a singer who was "planted" in the audience, and who, at a pre-arranged moment, started singing, seemingly spontaneously, with the performance on the stage. I thought it worked really well. In retrospect, I wonder if that was an old music hall device. " Yes I saw them do that. I think it was Andrew Frank and the song was "When a Nightingale Sang in Berkley Square". |
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16 Feb 10 - 02:29 AM (#2840626) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Ralphie Well...Blow me down. Daves son is in Ocean Colour Scene???!!! Wonder how it would go down at Glastonbury to have Dave backed by the whole band? Now THAT I would really pay to see! Lol! |
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17 Feb 10 - 03:39 AM (#2841654) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Ri chard Tree Good news folks ! DAVE SEALEY called me last night re my enquiry. Dates so far for the new Cosmo sre ;SIDMOUTH AUG 8th , TOWERSEY 28/29 AUG, BROMYARD Sept 11/12 plus another in Derbyshire TBC |
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17 Feb 10 - 03:56 PM (#2842260) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Steve Parkes When are they coming to the Isle of Wight?! |
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31 May 10 - 07:07 AM (#2917583) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Cassie Tillett I'm delighted to be responsible for creating the new Cosmotheka website. Holding page at present but dates on there, both for Dave-and-Dan and for Dave's solo work as Max and Stanley. Find them at: web: www.cosmotheka.co.uk twitter: @cosmothekamusic and on facebook Please spread the word! Cassie Tillett |
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01 Jun 10 - 05:40 PM (#2918546) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Sidmouth programme says Tuesday 3 August, not 8 August. derek |
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01 Jun 10 - 07:34 PM (#2918655) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: Jack Campin Somebody book them for Whitby? |
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02 Jun 10 - 12:36 AM (#2918821) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: cptsnapper Dave Sealey will be at St. Neots Folk Club on Tuesday 8th. June. Details can be found at email:stneotsfolkclub@aol.com or ring Roger & Patti Pitt - 01234 376278 |
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02 Jun 10 - 04:55 AM (#2918888) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Cassie Tillett 3rd August is right, Derek - according to Dave's agent and also to Sidmouth website! Not aware that they are doing Bromyard - will check. All gigs shown both on new Cosmo website and on Facebook page. cheers all - please spread the word and follow them on Twitter or Facebook if you use them! Cassie |
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11 Jun 10 - 06:49 AM (#2925324) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,Cassie Tillett Just a quick update: the new website for Cosmotheka is now up and running! Please visit: www.cosmotheka.co.uk and also see links on the Contact page to Facebook and Twitter, if you use them. Dave & Dan performed a successful gig at St Neots last Tuesday; Dave is Max Miller in Darlington tomorrow night; and plenty more gigs listed across the summer. Best wishes Cassie Tillett |
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02 Dec 13 - 11:14 AM (#3580711) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,kenny http://youtu.be/F_pCnpLAwRs Took me nearly 4 years to get round to it, but I hadn't forgotten. Hope the link works - it's to a clip on "Youtube". |
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02 Dec 13 - 11:16 AM (#3580712) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,kenny Yep.............seems to work OK. Enjoy. |
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16 Jul 15 - 11:31 AM (#3724046) Subject: RE: Cosmotheka Material From: GUEST,nickp (cookieless) Just working my slow way through a number of tapes I recorded from Radio 2 mid to late 70's and find a couple of live songs from what appears to be Beverly Festival - Coffee Pot and Brown Boots (there may be others but they are the only ones I caught in passing. Any idea of the date - even the year - of either the performance or broadcast? |