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26 Aug 03 - 10:19 AM (#1008341) Subject: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Dave Bryant The thread about "The Wizard of Alderley Edge" started me thinking about the wonderful broadsheets that John Crane used to produce. They included songs by Pete Coe, Bill caddick, Martin Graebe, Bill Lowndes and many other authors, with the words and music and beautiful illustrations. They got a mention in a previous thread and I think that someone said that he had died. Does anyone know who has the copyright on them ? It would be great to get them online somewhere, not only are they wonderfully attractive, they are also a great source of songs that were written in the 60/70s. I can probably find a few, who else has got any ? - perhaps we could end up with a full set. |
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26 Aug 03 - 11:14 AM (#1008382) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,Peter Sumner Hi Dave I have a bundle of John's broadsheets that he sent me in the mid seventies...They are stored at my folks place in sunny Cleethorpes...can't remember details...maybe "Donkey Jack Donkey" by Bill Caddick...I think there are a couple of booklets also... I would be wonderful to get them seem by a wider audience...Methinks copyright issues are worth considering... Does the originator of such material have any legal protection in this regard...I certainly hope so... Cheers Pete Sumner California |
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26 Aug 03 - 02:45 PM (#1008506) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,M'Grath of Altcar I've got "Crawling in to Work" somewhere and a couple more as well. I bought them at Loughborough festival in the seventies. |
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02 Jan 12 - 04:48 PM (#3283656) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Hoblander I know this goes thread back a long way, but I have just re-discovered in the loft a set of 25 John Crane broadsides from 1974 and an additional one. If anyone wants a list of the titles get in touch. They are a fantastic set of illustrations. Kevin |
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09 Mar 13 - 08:15 AM (#3488339) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST Hi Hoblander - I'd like to get a list of the broadside titles you have. You can get me at - p.duller@btinternet.com |
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09 Mar 13 - 12:00 PM (#3488425) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Mick Pearce (MCP) I've got the King Sun (Bill Caddick) chapbook he did and a couple of Pete Bond sheets that I think John Crane did the illustrations for (though I'd have to check that). Mick |
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09 Mar 13 - 06:45 PM (#3488483) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Steve Gardham I've got 2 or 3 somewhere, of trad songs. Hoblander, if you're still about a list here would be useful. |
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17 Feb 14 - 04:49 AM (#3602144) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Martin Graebe Just found this and it prompted me to catalogue my collection of John Crane's broadsheets (See below) I haven't spoken to John for many years but I know that he is still around and in the Midlands. One of his more recent artworks is the wonderful stage back-drop at the Black Diamond Folk Club in Birmingham - I hope that this has gone with them to their new venue. I still have some of the broadsheets that John produced of my songs. Just a handful of 'Harry the Hawker' but a larger pile of 'Honiton Lace'. The reason for this was a misunderstanding between John and I which led to him illustrating a Buckinghamshire lace-worker rather than one from East Devon. A valuable lesson for me in working with illustrators and printers ! It would be interesting if someone could identify John's other broadsheets and chapbooks, so that we could have a complete list. I also have some other collections of modern broadsheets, notably those of Barry Roberts, who was active at about the same time as John Crane, but working with a duplicator, rather than lithographic printing. Martin ----------------------------------------------- John Crane Artwork in Martin Graebe's collection I have a number of John Crane's Broadsides and other items. Many of these were purchased from Peter Kennedy in the 1970s when he had his shop (The Cider House) in Dartington and had some incomplete sets and damaged items. Others were bought from John at festivals. And, of course there are the two that he produced for me of my own songs. There are I have three collections that are in folders: 'Broadsheets by John Crane – Set of Twenty-Five songs' (Complete Set March 1974) 1. The Lowlands of Holland Traditional 2. Pretty Saro Traditional 3. Our Budgie is Dead Malcolm and Carol Fern 4. A Wife for Sale Jon Raven 5. The Wizard of Alderley Edge Peter Coe 6. The Gay Fusilier Peter Coe 7. The Congleton Bear Peter Coe 8. Friar Francis Peter Coe 9. Joseph Baker Peter Coe 10. John O' Dreams Bill Caddick 11. The Marbury Dunne Peter Coe 12. Fare Thee Well Traditional 13. Kilmarnock Town Traditional 14. Cowd Stringy Pie Traditional 15. Danny's Johnny Handle 16. The Apprentice Traditional 17. Jack went A-Sailing Traditional 18. The King's Whim Chris and Toni Hicks 19. Harry the Hawker Martin Graebe 20. The Men o' the North Sheila Douglas 21. The Land of Three Rivers Vin Garbutt 22. The Starlings Vin Garbutt 23. Whilstlebitch Well Peter and Chris Coe 24. Blue Cap Peter and Chris Coe 25. The Salt Tell Peter and Chris Coe 'Broadsheets by John Crane – The Cheshire Songs of Peter and Christine Coe' (a set of eight songs) 5. The Wizard of Alderley Edge Peter Coe 7. The Congleton Bear Peter Coe 8. Friar Francis Peter Coe 9. Joseph Baker Peter Coe 11. The Marbury Dunne Peter Coe 23. Whilstlebitch Well Peter and Chris Coe 24. Blue Cap Peter and Chris Coe 25. The Salt Tell Peter and Chris Coe The numbering of the 'Complete Set' is retained. My set is missing numbers 23, 24, and 25. 'Broadsheets by John Crane – Ten Songs' 3. Our Budgie is Dead Malcolm and Carol Fern 4. A Wife for Sale Jon Raven 5. The Gay Fusilier Peter Coe 10. John O' Dreams Bill Caddick 14. Danny's Johnny Handle 18. The King's Whim Chris and Toni Hicks 19. Harry the Hawker Martin Graebe 20. The Men o' the North Sheila Douglas 21. The Land of Three Rivers Vin Garbutt 22. The Starlings Vin Garbutt The numbering of the 'Complete Set' is retained. My set is missing numbers 23, 24, and 25. In addition to these I have two broadsides that were not included in the above collections: 28. Honiton Lace Martin Graebe 31. Dust to Dust John Kirkpatrick I also have two booklets: No 2 Twa Sisters (arranged by Toni Hicks) (10.5 x 14.4 cm, 16 pages) Eddie Baker's Muckspreader by John Kirkpatrick (A4, 8 pages) I do have some duplicates of the broadsheets, including those of my own songs. |
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01 Jun 16 - 04:38 PM (#3793299) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST You're missing The Band Played Waltzing Matilda by Eric Bogle. John is still going strong and living in Wolverhampton. I'm his nephew by the way. |
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10 Jun 16 - 04:30 PM (#3794771) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,John Crane I can confirm that I am still alive and kicking and singing and playing. I am also still working as much as ever though I haven't produced any Broadsheets for a long time. There are some gaps in Martin's list but I can't give details until I've checked back through the original artwork, which I still have for all of them (I think!). I must make an apology to Martin for my error on Honiton Lace which I have only just found out about. There is no excuse....sloppy research! |
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11 Jun 16 - 04:22 PM (#3794922) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,Alan Whittle good to hear! |
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12 Jun 16 - 03:36 AM (#3794987) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Joe Offer Are any of John's broadsheets available to view online, so we in other lands can get a look? Thanks. -Joe- |
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15 Jun 16 - 06:41 AM (#3795837) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,John Crane It's an idea that has been nibbling away at the back of my brain for a while. |
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20 Apr 22 - 08:28 AM (#4139648) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,Geoff Bibby There were originally 25 broadsheets in a pack, and an extra seven were produced separately. These extras wereThe Wind Witch, The Widow, Duet to Dust, Dan the Dustman, The Valley of Tees, Monition Lace and The Dead Man's Hand. |
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31 Jan 24 - 10:01 AM (#4196440) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: GUEST,Cockney Colin I still have John Crane's Broadsheets. There were 25 in the first set that I purchased from him in 1974 and then a second set of 25 that I purchased in 1978/79. Broadsheets 1 to 25 were listed previously in this thread and 26 to 50 are as follows; 26 The Widow Andrew Clark , Miriam Backhouse 27 The Deadman's Hand Toni Hicks 28 Honiton Lace Martin Graebe 29 The Valley of the Tees Vin Garbutt 30 Dan The Dustman John Kirkpatrick 31 Dust To Dust John Kirkpatrick 32 The Wind Witch Bernie Parry 33 Australia Bound Ian Chesterman 34 Listen To The Moon Norman Wheatley 35 The Iron Horse of Stockton Ron Angel 36 The Town Millionaire Ron Angel 37 North Road Eddie Walker 38 Birthday Cake City Peter Bond 39 Poor Pig Bill Caddick 40 Oller Boller Bill Caddick 41 Cupboard Love Richard Plant 42 Two Policeman and the Suspicious Bag Richard Plant 43 Tax Collectors Ron Angel 44 Gypsy Without a Road Rosemary Hardman 45 The Band Played Waltzing Matilda Eric Bogle 46 Now I'm Easy Eric Bogle 47 Cleveland County Rosemary Hardman 48 I'm In Love With A Gibson Girl Bill Caddick 49 P-Tarmigan and Groaty Dick Bill Caddick 50 Cocks and Catches John Crane |
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16 Jun 25 - 07:46 AM (#4224237) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: SussexCarole We've just been fortunate to acquire a 20 page booklet of songs written by Bill Caddick which was illustrated and produced by John Crane. The booklet titled 'Vale - Part One Morning'. Signed by Bill Caddick on the page Waiting for the Lark. Contains Waiting for the Lark Oh to be a King The House Raising Iron and Salt In a Few Short Days Donkey Jack Donkey |
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16 Jun 25 - 10:28 PM (#4224274) Subject: RE: John Crane Broadsheets. From: Ross Campbell John Crane also produced illustrations for folk magazines, festival flyers, posters and record sleeves. I can't recall which festival we were at - John Crane did a very clever show involving an antique washing machine roller which magically produced broadsheets or postersat each turn of the handle. Ross |