09 Oct 03 - 07:45 PM (#1032737) Subject: The Nut-Brown Maid From: poetlady http://www.bartleby.com/243/69.html This ballad is in the Oxford Book of Ballads. I don't think I've seen it anywhere else. Does anyone know anything about it?
I copied the lyrics from the cited source. It's set up as a table, so it's difficult for poetlady to post (we don't ordinarily allow tables). -Joe Offer- |
09 Oct 03 - 07:56 PM (#1032740) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Sandy Mc Lean There is an English version of the Gaelic song " Mo Nighean Donn Bhoidheach" that uses this title. Sandy |
09 Oct 03 - 08:04 PM (#1032747) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Malcolm Douglas Quiller-Couch included a lot of "literary" ballad-imitations. These have largely been dropped from the more recent edition, edited by James Kinsley (1969). The Nut-Brown Maid did not survive editorial re-evaluation, and I don't know any more about it. Unfortunately, "Q" didn't provide source information. He was not a scholar of Kinsley's stature. |
09 Oct 03 - 08:04 PM (#1032748) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Sandy Mc Lean Try searching in the DT using "Nut Brown Maiden" rather than "maid". |
09 Oct 03 - 08:05 PM (#1032750) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Malcolm Douglas Completely different song. |
09 Oct 03 - 08:09 PM (#1032754) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Sandy Mc Lean Yeh , Malcolm. It seems to be. Just the same title. |
09 Oct 03 - 08:14 PM (#1032756) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: masato sakurai See The Traditional Ballad Index: Nut-Brown Maid, The. Nut-Brown Maid, TheDESCRIPTION: The man claims that women, given the chance, are never true. The woman cites the case of the Nut-brown Maid. They play through the story. The woman will follow her man, even to the greenwood, and will fight for him, etc. The ballad ends by praising womenAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1707 ("The Muses Mercury"); earlier found in Arnold's "Chronicle" of c. 1521 KEYWORDS: infidelity love dialog outlaw FOUND IN: REFERENCES (2 citations): Percy/Wheatley II, pp. 31-47, "The Not-Brown Maid" (1 text) OBB 69, "The Nut-Brown Maid" (1 text) Notes: Given its elaborate stanzaic structure, regular alternation of speakers, and elaborately formal language, it seems clear that this should be accounted a literary rather than a folk production. I know of no version in oral tradition. A parody of this song, "The New Nutbrowne Maid," occurs as early as 1520. - RBW File: OBB069 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2003 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
09 Oct 03 - 08:17 PM (#1032757) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: GUEST The Rankins did a version of it. Gaelic words were on the cd booklet thing. I think there was a translation as well |
09 Oct 03 - 08:30 PM (#1032762) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Malcolm Douglas Do read the thread before posting. Doubtless the Rankins did record an arrangement of the extremely well-known Scottish Gaelic song that Sandy mentioned, but it is completely irrelevant to the question asked here. |
09 Oct 03 - 08:43 PM (#1032768) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: masato sakurai Photo of "The Ballad of the Nut-Brown Maid", as printed in R. Arnold's Customs of London (Antwerp, 1503), is in G.M. Trevelyan's Illustrated English Social History: 1 (Penguin, 1964, p. 139). |
09 Oct 03 - 09:42 PM (#1032793) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Joe Offer I have included both "Maid" and "Maiden" threads in the crosslinks. The idea of the crosslinks is to help people find what they're seeking - not to strictly divide one song from another. Is there a tune for "The Nut-Brown Maid"? There are no tunes at all in Quiller-Crouch. -Joe Offer- |
09 Oct 03 - 09:49 PM (#1032796) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Q (Frank Staplin) And then there's The nut brown maid has gowd and gear,---" (Lord Thomas and Fair Eleanor (Annet), Child # 73) Where did these nut brown maids come from? |
09 Oct 03 - 10:39 PM (#1032821) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: poetlady I was going to check The Oxford Book of Ballads for a tune next time I go to the library. Some of the songs in the book have tunes and some don't. I suppose I could try to post it if there is. Never having posted a tune before, though, "try" is a key word. :) |
09 Oct 03 - 10:48 PM (#1032825) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Malcolm Douglas It might not be a bad idea to explain that those links all deal with a completely unrelated song, though. I was wrong to dismiss this text so readily. It is indeed old; but not particularly so in this form. Quiller-Couch (though he neglected to acknowledge any source) quoted it from Bishop Percy's Reliques of Ancient English Poetry (vol. II), where it was collated, it appears, from the text given in the Prolusions of 1760 (itself a collation of two texts printed in Richard Arnolde's Chronicle, perhaps of c.1521) and variant texts in a further two editions of Arnolde. Quiller-Couch also included the text in his edition of The Oxford Book of English Verse (1900; now deservedly superceded), where he again names no source but describes the piece, without evidence (Percy thought that Arnold(e) wouldn't have printed it unless it was already old, but that is unproven), as "15th century". The parody mentioned above, The New Nutbrowne Maid, seems to have been first printed by John Scot about 1520. Apparently it was a religious re-write, "upon the passion of Cryste". So far as I can tell, no tune is known. I confess to seeing no particular interest in this "ballad"; it is scarcely surprising that it did not survive in oral tradition. Percy, however, saw in it virtues which are lost on me: "The sentimental beauties of this ballad have always recommended it to readers of taste, notwithstanding the rust of antiquity which obscures the style and expression." Perhaps I am just a reader without taste. Wordsworth, it appears, was impressed by it; but then, he was impressed by quite a few things in his youth (including opium, which explains one or two things) which he later grew out of. |
10 Oct 03 - 12:39 AM (#1032886) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: poetlady Thank you kindly. |
10 Oct 03 - 03:29 AM (#1032917) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: GUEST,robinia Where do these nut-brown maids come from? Well, it doesn't hold true for "Lord Thomas" (where the brown girl is the one with gold and gear) but there can be a natural association with the out-of-doors. "Ho-ro, my nut-brown Maiden" (as translated from the Gaelic in the popular Scottish Students Songbook) contrasts Highland Mary, 'down from the bonnie glen', to Lowland maidens in "Glasgow and Dunedin" (Dundee?). In German folksong I think the association is even clearer. Sorry I don't have the song at hand, but at Sunny Camp last weekend there was a great German song session and I seem to recall a popular one about "mein schwarzbraun Madel" -- eyes, hair and (implied, I think) skin because the song had a lot of woodland (and gypsy?) references. (Damn, now I have to look it up. . . ) |
10 Oct 03 - 08:55 AM (#1033065) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: Snuffy Dunedin = Edinburgh |
11 Oct 03 - 08:04 AM (#1033628) Subject: RE: The Nut-Brown Maid From: masato sakurai From A "Working" KWIC Concordance to Francis James Child's The English and Scottish Popular Ballads (p. 2048): nut-brown [29], Nut-brown [1] (30) 99K.14 1 /Then Johnie drew a nut-brown brand,/And strook it 73F.29 1 /`Vo be te you, nut-brown bride,/An ill death you 73B.28 1 /Then out and spak the nut-brown bride,/And she spak 73B.30 1 /Then out and spake the nut-brown bride,/And she spak 73G.24 3 bed,/Sweet Willie and the nut-brown bride/In a chamber 73F.26 3 bed,/Sweet Willie and his nut-brown bride/In ae chamber 73E.31 3 bed,/Sweet Willie and the nut-brown bride/In their chamber 73E.25 1 /But up and stands the nut-brown bride,/Just at her 73[I.33]) 3 /An how like ye yer nut-brown bride,/Lies in yer arms 73G.22 1 /The nut-brown bride pat her hand in/ 73F.28 1 /`Vo be to you, nut-brown bride,/Wi yer oxen 73E.10 1 /`O I sall wed the nut-brown maid,/And I sall bring 73E.9 4 for my benison,/The nut-brown maid bring hame.' 73E.7 3 sall I bring hame?/The nut-brown maid has sheep and 73E.9 1 /`The nut-brown maid has sheep and 73E.8 1 /`It's an ye wed the nut-brown maid,/I'll heap gold 73F.3 1 /`Oh will I merry the nut-brown maid,/Wi her oxen 73H.8 1 wis,/It's I will marry the nut-brown may,/. . . . . 73G.5 5 to me;/O will I marry the nut-brown may,/An lat Fair 73F.7 3 /But ye will merry the nut-brown may,/For she hes my 73G.6 2 has ousen, Willie,/The nut-brown may has key;/An ye 73G.6 1 /`The nut-brown may has ousen, 73H.7 3 hae;/But if ye marry the nut-brown may,/My blessin an ye' 73F.7 1 /`But ye will merry the nut-brown may,/Wi her oxen and 73F.4 3 wun;/But if ye merry the nut-brown may,/Ye will get her 169B.14 1 /Then John pulld out a nut-brown sword,/And it was 69C.13 1 /Then out he drew a nut-brown sword,/I wat he stript 133A.12 2 staffe,/And Robin had a nut-brown sword;/So the beggar 88D.25 1 /`Gin nut-brown was his hawk,' she 88D.24 1 /` Nut-brown was his hawk,' they nut-browne (14) 73A.7 5 /I wad hae ye marrie the nut-browne bride,/And cast Fair 73A.7 3 /I wad hae ye marrie the nut-browne bride,/And cast Fair 73A.21 1 /She sat her by the nut-browne bride,/And her een 73A.4 3 to mee;/O sall I tak the nut-browne bride,/And let Fair 73A.6 3 mee;/A, sall I marrie the nut-browne bride,/And let Fair 73A.9 3 mee;/O sall I marrie the nut-browne bride,/And set Fair 73A.11 3 o hand;/And I will tak the nut-browne bride,/Fair Annet 73A.5 1 /`The nut-browne bride haes gowd and 73A.7 2 has oxen, brother,/The nut-browne bride has kye;/I wad 73A.7 1 /`The nut-browne bride has oxen, 73A.22 3 /And reaching by the nut-browne bride,/Laid it on Fair 73A.23 1 /Up than spak the nut-browne bride,/She spak wi 73A.27 3 /And drave it into the nut-browne bride,/That fell deid 112A.10 1 /He pulled out his nut-browne sword,/And wipt the |
03 Nov 03 - 05:01 AM (#1046622) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Nut-Brown Maid From: masato sakurai "The Nutbrowne Maide" is in F.J. Child's English and Scottish Ballads, vol. 4 (1860, pp. 143-157; earlier and different edition from The English and Scottish Popular Ballads), with this note: THE NUTBROWNE MAIDE. |