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29 Oct 03 - 01:01 PM (#1043923) Subject: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk You know the ones I mean...movies that were deliberately made to cash in on the longhaired phenomenon, and most of them were dreadful, but we trooped out to see them, hoping for a far-out experience in which we could all share a tribal identity together. So, which one do you rate as the absolute WORST???? I remember "Billy Jack", "Easy Rider", "Joe", "Zachariah", "Alice's Restaurant", "The Trial of Billy Jack", "Zabriskie Point", "200 Motels", "Fritz the Cat"... My nomination for WORST is "The Trial of Billy Jack", but "Zacharia" only missed the Big Banana by a hair. - LH |
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29 Oct 03 - 01:31 PM (#1043941) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko "Billy Jack" was made in the early 70's. I actually liked "Billy Jack" but I agree that "The Trial of Billy Jack" was awful. I remember a terrible film about the Hell's Angels that attempted to clean up their image. Littlehawk, you include "Easy Rider" in your WORST films list? I would disagree with that! Remember another film the Fonda & Hopper made called "The Trip"? While we are on the subject, remember that god awful biker film "C.C. and Company" with Joe Namath? Ultimate cheese! How about the Monkee's "Head"? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
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29 Oct 03 - 03:08 PM (#1043999) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: M.Ted I remember seeing "The Trip" and "The Wild Angels"(a Peter Fonda double feature!) at the drive-in--I really went to watch motorcycles racing to the strains David Allan and the Arrows "Blues Theme", but "The Trip"--In retrospect, it was a great preview of film greatness to come, with Fonda, Bruce Dern, Dennis Hopper, scripts by Jack Nicholson, and Peter Bogdanovich--it has been said that if you add the two, you come up with "Easy Rider"--Haven't seen either in years, though-- Most of the 60's freak films were an embarassment to watch then, and probably make great trash viewing now--Wonder if there are anyt mvies that beat"The Mod Squad"? |
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29 Oct 03 - 03:19 PM (#1044006) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko I don't know if this would be considered a "freak" movie, but what about "Love Story". That movie scared the hell out of me!!!!!! |
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29 Oct 03 - 04:42 PM (#1044053) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Let me define my use of the term "60's". For the purposes of this thread that term shall indicate a cultural period that lasted from approximately 1963 to 1975, and could generally be distinguished by young people's adherence to a few things: long hair, blue denim, leather, music by Dylan/Beatles/Stones/Hendrix/Joplin/etc, pot smoking, communes, political radicalism and antiwar sentiment. We are to list any important "freak" movie released between the years 1963 to 1975, and it doesn't HAVE to be lousy (although most were). After listing them, nominate your choice for WORST. Here's another one: Wild In The Streets - LH |
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29 Oct 03 - 05:04 PM (#1044071) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Willie-O LH, that's the first one you've mentioned that wasn't made in the 70's. A Real 60's movie: "Psych-Out" was pretty impressive. One of a bunch of movies with Jack Nicholson, Bruce Dern and that crowd. What the hell's it about? I don't know, couple of guys wandering through different communes looking for somebody's sister but always having to fight rednecks or be chased over rooftops... In the pre-Star Wars low-budget alternative sci-fi genre, whatever happened to "Idaho Transfer"? Then there's the wildly misogynist "A Boy And His Dog", with a very young but nasty Don Johnson. Apparently the way it worked was that Roger Corman would give them some equipment and let them do whatever they wanted as long as they got it in the can for under $200,000. Which made a bunch of bad movies about nothing much, but was good training for what was to come...Easy Rider, 5 Easy Pieces, Taxi Driver, Dennis Hopper being an evil drug dealer in 273 more movies since then...come to think of it, maybe it wasn't such good training. |
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29 Oct 03 - 05:16 PM (#1044076) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Liz the Squeak Dunno what time frame it's in, I remember watching it in the late '70's though - 'Night of the Lepus' - giant bunnies ravage a town. Not entirely sure that it's not the film on in the background of a scene in 'The Matrix' - there are definate views of a lot of bunnies bouncing down a road. LTS |
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29 Oct 03 - 05:30 PM (#1044082) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Bee-dubya-ell I probably "saw" a good number of such movies at drive-in theaters, but I was either too stoned or too busy doing other things in the back of the van to even remember their names, much less what they were about. I do sorta remember seeing "The Trip". Bogus! For a real portrayal of someone whacked on psychedelics check out Johnny Depp as Hunter S. Thompson in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas". Not a great movie (in no small part because the screenwriters did almost nothing but copy the book word-for-word) but a great job on Depp's part. Bruce |
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29 Oct 03 - 05:37 PM (#1044087) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Anyone remember "Joanna"? It was, I believe, Donald Sutherland's first film. Not the worst but certainly typical of the time including the interracial love affairs, terrorist activities, super mod clothes, etc. |
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29 Oct 03 - 06:27 PM (#1044113) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee The movie version of "Hair." "Catch 22" -- which played on anti-war and missed the point of the book completely. I saw a preview for a movie about a motorcycle gang going to Vietnam. I didn't bother seeing the movie. "Green Berets," where a pacifist reporter converts. "The Trip." |
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29 Oct 03 - 06:27 PM (#1044114) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee I forgot: "Alice's Restraurant." |
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29 Oct 03 - 08:04 PM (#1044178) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rustic Rebel How about 'Mantis in Lace' about a stripper that does acid and flips out and starts murdering people. 'I love you Alice B. Toklas' with Peter Sellers, he's a burnt out lawyer and goes out one night and gets turned on to special brownies. Now a bad one that comes to mind is 'Barbarella' with Jane Fonda that was a futuristic movie that I don't even remember if it had a story line but I suppose it did!. 'She Devils on Wheels' Another bad one about a women biker club. Rustic |
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29 Oct 03 - 08:10 PM (#1044181) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin wasnt there a bad movie where the president dumps lsd into the dc water supply? |
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29 Oct 03 - 08:36 PM (#1044200) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Willie-O I think that's Wild In The Streets, Amergin. Look, almost every single 60's/early 70's movie looks weird and dated and has dialogue that sounds, like, not with it, man. You really have to judge them on their own merits. Alice's Restaurant is not bad, especially considering how bad it could have been. It does a good job of capturing some of the real conflicts that caused most communes to fold, while showing the positive side too. (This movie gets watched a lot in our house because my daughter is a huge Arlo fan). Did you know Arlo owns the church now and it's a community cultural centre? |
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29 Oct 03 - 08:42 PM (#1044207) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve "Joe", without a doubt one of the worst, most contrived pieces of crap ever made. Peter Boyle and Susan Sarandon are lucky. "Joe" should have destroyed their careers. "Alice's Restaurant" doesn't hold up too well in my memory either, although I did enjoy it at the time. I saw it twice. "Panic in Needle Park" and "Born to Lose" (or was it "Win" with George Segal and Karen Black). Both are in the running for the most depressing movie of all time, with no redeeming characters at all. About the time I saw all of the above, I also saw a movie called "Girlie", a British film that was a variation on "The Most Dangerous Game" with overtones of "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane". I don't know anyone else who saw it, and it's possible I dreamed the whole thing. I liked it, though I'm not sure why. Anyone else remember it? |
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30 Oct 03 - 01:33 AM (#1044327) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Good stuff, folks. NOW we're cookin'. As far as I was concerned, the 60's did not end until 1975, as I said above. Believe me, it was all 60's culture in Toronto till then. Then the price of oil shot through the rood, the economy tanked, Yorkville and the coffeehouse scene died, the music industry decided to shove disco down everybody's throat, and the fabled 60's were over. (sigh) I guess we should definitely include the films "Woodstock", "Altamont", and "Monterrey Pop Festival", as well as maybe David Bowie's first concert movie (Ziggy Stardust?). Although Bowie's glamrock was something new at the time, it was still an extension of the 60's consciousness in many ways. I am really rather thankful that I have never sat through "Love Story". :-) "She Devils On Wheels"???? GAD! How did I miss that? - LH |
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30 Oct 03 - 01:40 AM (#1044330) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk WHOA! Just remembered "The Graduate"! Major counterculture film of the time. That's really what we're after here, folks, counterculture films. "The Graduate" was a rather good one in some respects, although its merits are debatable, and it featured the music of Simon & Garfunkel too. - LH |
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30 Oct 03 - 03:21 AM (#1044347) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin what about Charlie? based on flowers for algernon about a retarded man who goes through an op to make him smart... |
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30 Oct 03 - 07:32 AM (#1044407) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee Or "Shenandoah" -- about a family torn apart in the Civil War, the youngest son impressed into the Confederate Army but saved from death when the Yankee who's going to bayonet him turns out to be the Faithful Slave Friend; the daughter is raped and killed after her husband is run through with a saber (I loved his expression!), and the ex-slave and the young boy show up at the church service? Counter-culture, no. Awful? God, yes! Don't forget "The Sterile Cuckoo." "Love Story" -- uck! |
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30 Oct 03 - 08:21 AM (#1044433) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: GUEST,Shelley C at work I was a bit too young to see them first time round, but have managed to see several since. I think they're all great! But maybe that's because they evoke an era that I wish I had been part of, but was just too young to be involved. They don't get repeated on TV much - I suppose they have lost any popular appeal they once had. Thinking of Bruce Dern - does 'Silent Runnings' count? It's a bit eco-warrior. Shelley |
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30 Oct 03 - 09:02 AM (#1044468) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Willie-O The Graduate was a good film--but counterculture? Nahhhhh. LH, I quite agree that in my life and yours the 60's went to the mid-70's, then folded the circus tents and stole away. But there is a considerable difference in pre-Easy Rider and post-Easy Rider counterculture/new school movies. After Easy Rider they were taken seriously enough by the industry to spend real money on, resulting in much better production values in every respect--better directing, acting, writing and cinematography. Everything I come up with seems to have Jack Nicholson in it. And funny, most of the ones that seem good today were NOT about the counterculture, do not have headbands, love beads and peace signs everywhere--but were produced by the same bunch that started with "Psych-Out" and "Easy Rider" Like: "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" "Missouri Breaks"--a rare 70's Western. Nicholson, an excellent threatening Brando, and superb cinematography. Haskell Wexler was it? Altamont was the name of the rock festival where someone was killed in front of the stage when the Stones were playing. The movie was "Gimme Shelter", and it was very good--one of the best rockumentaries, an honour it shares with "The Last Waltz" (made by Scorsese!). I guess they are a separate category. |
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30 Oct 03 - 09:11 AM (#1044474) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Dr. Strangelove. And the one about Michael York escaping from a dome where only people under thirty are allowed to live? Logan's Run. A Boy And His Dog. Brother From Another Planet. Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes. |
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30 Oct 03 - 09:19 AM (#1044479) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rustic Rebel Another produced by Jack Nicholson was, The Monkees-Head, it was a short lived film. Only lasted about 3 weeks out in theaters. |
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30 Oct 03 - 09:29 AM (#1044490) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Willie-O, "Missouri Breaks" and "excellent" in the same sentence?? Did we see the same movie? John Belushi also had a part in that fiasco. I will always remember it for the awful walk-through performance that Brando gave. A cheesy Irish accent to boot! Nicholson: Tell me Lee Clayton, did you ever shoot a man from a mile off carrying a pail of water? Brando: A mile yes, but I don't remember the pail |
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30 Oct 03 - 09:32 AM (#1044493) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Oops. I just re-thought it and I don't think Belushi was in "Missouri Breaks". The Brando part is etched in my memory because he was so awful. |
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30 Oct 03 - 09:35 AM (#1044495) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Okay, I remember it now... Belushi and Nicholson did another piece of crap western called "Goin South". |
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30 Oct 03 - 10:50 AM (#1044549) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Yeah, "Missouri Breaks" is just downright bizarre...mostly because of Brando. I think the man had a secret desire to destroy his own artistic reputation completely...he acted as if he hated himself and everybody else in most of his later movies. Of course, one could interpret it all as "genius", I suppose.... :-) - LH |
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30 Oct 03 - 10:55 AM (#1044558) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL OOPS I forgot that this was a "Worst Movies" thread. Ignore my previous post. |
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30 Oct 03 - 11:22 AM (#1044586) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Liz the Squeak How odd... just as I'm reading this and the postings about The Graduate - Radio 2 are playing 'Mrs Robinson'... whooo! LTS |
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30 Oct 03 - 01:45 PM (#1044698) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: AliUK Brother from another Planet and Logans Run are late7 0´s early 80s movies so don´t really count. I am an 80s child ( means I became consciously aware of all this kinda stuff in the 80s when I was in my late teens) so most of the movie mentioned have always seemed kinda hokey to me. Easy Rider was only ever good when I watched it on Acid ( I watched it straight and it never did anything to me. In fact I´m not really a fan of Dennis Hopper. I just saw Apocolypse Now: Redux and forgotten how bad he was in that!!). Alice´s Restaurant...the live recording was better.TRip,Head, and the Biker Movies all seem pretty weird to me ( and bad). Now if we were talking about the 80s......... |
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30 Oct 03 - 01:47 PM (#1044700) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: McGrath of Harlow How come a "worst of" thread before there's been a "best of"? True, that might be a bit short on nominees. About the only one I'd be sure to include would be The Muppet Movie, and that's 1979 (anyway, worrying about technicalities like that is not in keeping with the ethos of the 60s). And of course there's Withnail and I, which though made in 1986 is set in 1969. Here is a site with the entire script. |
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30 Oct 03 - 01:54 PM (#1044712) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Wesley S Did anyone ever see "Two Lane Blacktop" starring James Taylor and Dennis Wilson ? There was a girl with them see, and they had this car, see and they traveled around and then.... Hmmmm, and then they, Hmmmm they .... Gee - I guess that WAS the plot. |
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30 Oct 03 - 02:10 PM (#1044718) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin Logan's Run was based on a book, a book that had sequels with essentially the same plot...like Logan's World...and so on... what about Jesus Christ Superstar? |
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30 Oct 03 - 04:16 PM (#1044766) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Jesus Christ Superstar was based on a book as well :) |
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30 Oct 03 - 04:20 PM (#1044771) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat? Yellow Submarine? |
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30 Oct 03 - 04:27 PM (#1044781) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Tell Me That You Love Me, Junie Moon. |
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30 Oct 03 - 10:44 PM (#1045023) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Was 2001 Space Odyssey late 60s or early 70s? Piece of crap, in my humble opinion. I fell asleep twice in the theater. |
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30 Oct 03 - 11:19 PM (#1045035) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: GUEST,Yeah, but... Before you draw any significant conclusions from that, SINSULL, don't forget that there was a guy who slept through Pearl Harbour too. |
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31 Oct 03 - 05:57 AM (#1045157) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Sinsull, thanks. I thought I was the only one who hated 2001. I still don't see what all the critics and everyone sees in that film. |
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31 Oct 03 - 09:10 AM (#1045232) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Most people slept through Pearl Harbor, the film. It was another waste of time. |
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01 Nov 03 - 03:22 AM (#1045681) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Cluin Beyond the Valley of the Dolls by Russ Meyer, screenplay by Roger Ebert (really... and he now has the gall to be a film critic). |
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01 Nov 03 - 03:28 AM (#1045682) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin the wild bunch |
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10 Jun 07 - 04:25 PM (#2073088) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: kendall Arthur with Dudly Moore. I'd rather watch cans rust. |
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10 Jun 07 - 04:40 PM (#2073102) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: bobad "Alex in Wonderland" with Donald Sutherland and Ellen Burstyn, caught it on a TV late night movie quite a few years ago and thought it was one of the worst movies I'd ever seen. The plot key words from IMDB kind of say it all: * Beach * Director * Dream * Hippie * Hollywood * Music * Nude Dance * Nudity * Sex * Vietnam War * Character Name In Title |
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10 Jun 07 - 04:50 PM (#2073108) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Big Al Whittle Another load of crap is that one where Elliot Gould is a college lecturer who sleeps with a black lady and harrison Ford is one of his students. Alex in Wonderland nearly outstinks it, but not quite! Missouri Breaks is quite good in comparison. |
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10 Jun 07 - 04:51 PM (#2073109) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Big Al Whittle Another Brando one Reflections in a Golden Eye was was well worth missing. |
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10 Jun 07 - 05:43 PM (#2073155) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: frogprince Yes,"Alex in Wonderland" really, really stank. I was in college in a profoundly conservative town in Arkansas when "Alice's Restaurant" came out. The dynamics between the regional students and local people, and the students from civilized states, were mirrored so perfectly in the movie that I about came unglued watching it. How did "Doctor Strangelove" get in a list of worst movies? |
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10 Jun 07 - 07:23 PM (#2073222) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: kendall Desperatly seeking Susan was clod. I sat through it because I liked the lady who picked it and dragged me to it. |
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10 Jun 07 - 09:06 PM (#2073270) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff "A Boy and His Dog" was a post apocalypse sleeper. Peter |
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10 Jun 07 - 11:46 PM (#2073321) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Mickey191 Rory Calhoun (Recall him?) as a farmer who made some famous sausages. You know the rest... Don't know the name. "Elves" Nazi scientists do Santa's Elves a bad turn and makes them mutants. Really, Truly. "Cry Uncle" creepy junk about a weird detective. |
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11 Jun 07 - 07:41 AM (#2073498) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: kendall The Man from planet X. Almost as bad as Lobsteroids. |
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11 Jun 07 - 08:17 AM (#2073517) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: JJ The one mentioned WAY above about bikers and Vietnam is actually (IIRC) about bikers and Cambodia -- THE SAVAGE SEVEN. Theme song, "Anyone For Tennis?" To return to the original theme of counterculture films: ME, NATALIE The unattractive Patty Duke (rejected early in the film in a cameo by the unknown Al Pacino) gets on her motor scooter and leaves Brooklyn for Greenwich Village. THE MAGIC GARDEN OF STANLEY SWEETHEART In which young Columbia student Don Johnson is seduced by a very young, very ample, very naked Holly Near. GETTING STRAIGHT Elliot Gould desperately attempts to get his masters degree as his car, his life and the campus disintegrate around him. I loved it. |
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11 Jun 07 - 10:17 AM (#2073636) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Mickey1191 - was that "Motel Hell"? Rory Calhoun and Phyllis Diller (I think) running a motel (Motel Hello with the "O" burnt out), and hapless tourists being kept in the yard and raised as food - it was done tongue in cheek, but still a bad movie. |
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11 Jun 07 - 01:14 PM (#2073805) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Desdemona What a timely thread; next up in our Netflix queue is a doubleheader of "Psych Out" and "The Trip"...far out, man! ~D |
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11 Jun 07 - 02:49 PM (#2073891) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: JeremyC I haven't seen many of the counterculture films, since I grew up in the 80s, but I can comment on a few that were listed: Billy Jack, based on the 15 minutes I caught on cable, was horrible (though I kind of want to see the whole thing), Alice's Restaurant was good except for where it diverged from the song, and it was mainly good because Arlo Guthrie is one charming-ass hippie. A Boy and His Dog was great, although it's been a few years since I've seen it, so I could be wrong there. Worst, based on my limited experience, is probably "The Graduate," which struck me as awful and pointless. Mrs Robinson seemed decent enough, and I remember thinking that all the other characters were either horrible people or barely there. |
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11 Jun 07 - 03:07 PM (#2073911) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Lonesome EJ Billy Jack is hard to beat for sheer sanctimonious bullshit, as witness the following: 1)The beautiful and innocent flower children who live a creative and fun life in a commune, and are humiliated by wealthy rednecks. 2)The mysterious and violent Billy Jack with his large mounty-style hat, who allows us to, while weeping over the victimization of the peaceful flower-children, root for Billy to go into a murderous frenzy. 3)Billy Jack's humorless and self-righteous girlfriend who epitomized the type of 60s woman who would brow-beat you for not bringing meatless hotdogs to a weinie roast. 4)Billy Jack, persecuted and arrested by The Man for indulging his medieval side on the aforementioned rednecks, walking out through a hoard of flower children with right-on fists in the air while "One Tin Soldier" pontificates in the background. I saw Billy Jack on a double bill with Night of the Living Dead, which looked like Oscar caliber filmmaking next to it. |
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11 Jun 07 - 03:44 PM (#2073942) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: JeremyC Lonesome - Now don't diss "Night of the Living Dead" - that was a pretty good movie. Based on your description, "Billy Jack" is going in my Netflix queue this very moment. |
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11 Jun 07 - 03:46 PM (#2073946) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Add to everything else said against "Billy Jack" the fact that the narrator seems to have been a barely literate person reading from a teleprompter while in a coma. |
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11 Jun 07 - 04:19 PM (#2073981) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: JeremyC I don't remember whether it was Manos: The Hands of Fate or another hideously awful movie, but wasn't there one from this time period that featured a farmer whistling to himself while driving his pickup truck through the country--for something like ten straight minutes? |
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11 Jun 07 - 05:31 PM (#2074045) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Against my better judgement, and remembering what Billy Jack and The Trial of Billy Jack were like, I rented a film called "Billy Jack Goes to Washington". The film was never released to theaters, and with good reason. At the time, around Watergate, the reasons given were that the film was too political. The reality was, is was the worst piece of shit ever to be filmed. Billy Jack, who was in prision is released and runs for the U.S. Senate and wins. Okaaaay... He then learns that the Senate is full of internal politics. Wow!!!! Shocking!!!! There is one fight scene, thrown in just to give Lauglin a chance to take his boots off and kick the crap out of some bad guys. The film was loosely based on Mr.Smith Goes to Washington. To watch Laughlin do the filibuster scene will bring tears to your eyes - you will be laughing that hard. If you are ever given the choice between root canal without novacaine or watching this film, go for the root canal. It will be over sooner. |
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11 Jun 07 - 06:02 PM (#2074085) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Wesley S From what I've heard - THIS was the first Billy Jack movie - The Born Losers |
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11 Jun 07 - 06:10 PM (#2074095) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Lonesome EJ "...when I see this beautiful and strong young native-american girl, with ice cream all over her head..."...Billy Jack |
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11 Jun 07 - 07:19 PM (#2074173) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk That was a lovely summation of the salient points of Billy Jack, L.E.J. I went to see it when it came out....and being very impressionable at the time, and feeling like an embattled and misunderstood member of the Woodstock Nation, persecuted by my parents, straights in general, and uniformed officials of all types, I was deeply moved. Within a few years, I began to see it differently, however, and I was deeply embarrassed. ;-) The sanctimonious arrogance and the adopted mantle of "victimhood" (combined with absolute certainty of moral superiority) that young people were caught up in at that time was pretty seductive, if you were at just the right age. I was. Our heroes were all martyrs, outsiders, and noble losers. Nothing could beat a hero who was also a martial arts expert AND an "Indian". By the way, I really can't stand "One Tin Soldier". I didn't even like it much back then. |
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11 Jun 07 - 09:29 PM (#2074271) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Little Hawk - I am in complete agreement with you about seeing the first Billy Jack. It was very impressive - at the time. It is an embarrassment to admit I even saw it. One thing that the film did help - it gave a start to independent productions. Producers discovered that there were other ways to release movies. |
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11 Jun 07 - 09:33 PM (#2074276) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Yeah, seems to me it was not long after Kent State. Young people were feeling very defensive about establishment-sponsored violence and oppression. That movie tuned in perfectly to the angst of the time. |
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11 Jun 07 - 09:46 PM (#2074288) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Skivee Hair Both the movie and the musical were dreadful...a tin-pan alley version of the anti-war hippy experience. A series of stereotypes strung together by cliches Many of the songs defined "stupid": Gliddy glub gloopy Nibby nabby noopy La la la lo lo Sabba sibby sabba Nooby abba nabba Le le lo lo Tooby ooby walla Nooby abba naba Early morning singing song Gloopy, indeed |
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11 Jun 07 - 10:14 PM (#2074304) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: TRUBRIT Rapaire (and Skivee...) - absolutely agree about Hair - the guy who played Burger was at least 10 years too old (at least) and the movie just lacked all the charm of the show (which I did find charming). I think I am one of the few people in the Western Universe who slept through Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids ( I also think I am of the few people in the world who hasn't seen 2001 - A Space Odyssey). |
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11 Jun 07 - 11:20 PM (#2074349) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: PoppaGator Speaking of sleeping, I nodded out in the theater during the interminable "The Missouri Breaks." And I've never been one to fall asleep easily, especially not in public, and certainly not when sitting up. Since that time, I've tried to watch it on TV on a couple of occasions, and still haven't been able to stay awake. (I find it easier to nod off on my own couch, especially so as I get older.) What a stinker! I agree that "The Sixties" didn't start until at least late 1963 (the Kennedy assassination on November 22 is a reasonable benchmark date), and lasted well into the early 1970s. On the subject of "Best of" as opposed to "worsts": Mention has been made of the cartoon "Yellow Submarine," but how 'bout those two great live-action Beatles movies? Especially the first one, the wonderful "Hard Day's Night." Not the only notable accomplishment of director Richard Lester. Also from Swinging London, the first (and only?) English-language film by the quintessentially-60s Italian director Michaelangelo Antonioni: "Blow-Up." Saw it on TV just a few weeks ago ~ it holds up very well indeed. Among other things, it was wonderful to see a very young Vanessa Redgrave... On the subject of music-documentaries like "Woodstock" and [sic] "Altamont" (actually entitled "Gimme Shelter"), I offer for your consideration "The Last Waltz," which may have been produced a little bit later than the period in question, but which serves as a nice retrospective upon that entire era, and may well be the single greatest concert film ever produced. And finally, my favorite story about "Easy Rider." I know that I've posted this before, but I'm inspired to repeat myself for those of you who haven't already read it... There are three elderly black gospel singers who appear on screen briefly toward the end of the film, after the characters arrive in New Orleans for Mardi Gras. They are seen only for a few fleeting seconds, but their singing is heard for quite a while, throughout the "acid-trip" sequence filmed in St. Louis Cemetery. It's a very spiritual and exceedingly strange and spooky sound. I knew these folks personally, since I was singing on the same streetcorners during the same two- or three-year period. (I didn't know them at the time "Easy Rider" was being made, only shortly afterwards; I first arrived in New Orleans a few months after the film was shot.) These folks were nothing if not "authentic" ~ real churchgoers, real New Orleanians, and real old-fashioned, completely innocent of any "show-biz" consciousness. I have often wondered how they might have been compensated for their contribution to that soundtrack. They were probably drastically underpaid, but maybe not. I hope I'm wrong in my suspicions. |
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12 Jun 07 - 12:07 AM (#2074381) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Cool story, Poppa Gator. Brando was behaving more and more strangely in every film appearance by the time of Missouri Breaks. He would belch, fart, sneer, and indicate in every way possible his total ennui and disgust with himself, the movies, life, and other people. At least, that's how it seemed to me. Was this "the method"? Was it great acting? I sincerely hope not. Something was definitely bothering the man. |
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12 Jun 07 - 10:22 AM (#2074756) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Wesley S This just in: Van Sant Tests Electric Kool-Aid Acid Source: Variety June 11, 2007 Nearly 40 years after its original publication, Tom Wolfe's hallucinogenic novel The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is headed for the big screen. Gus Van Sant is attached to direct, and Lance Black ("Big Love") will write the script. The book told the story of a cross-country road trip that "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" author Ken Kesey orchestrated with a group called the Merry Pranksters. Driving in a psychedelically painted bus from California to visit the World's Fair in New York in 1964, Kesey and his band used the trip as a way to turn on those they met to the mind-expanding wonders of LSD. Kesey ingested the drug while he wrote "Cuckoo's Nest," crediting the hallucinogen for many of the ideas in the book. The film will focus on Kesey and include events that occurred after the road trip. |
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13 Jun 07 - 10:06 AM (#2075778) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Arne Willie-O: Then there's the wildly misogynist "A Boy And His Dog", with a very young but nasty Don Johnson. Based on the Harlen Ellison short story (which was pretty good). Yes, there is some misogyny in it, but IIRC, I don't think Ellison was expounding the virtues of such.... Cheers, |
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13 Jun 07 - 04:29 PM (#2076120) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: PoppaGator Are they casting the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test movie yet? Who's gonna play Neal Cassady? Jerry Garcia? Do they need any overaged-hippie extras? |
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14 Jun 07 - 02:24 AM (#2076485) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Elmer Fudd Anyone see "The Trip" with Jack Nicholson as a hippie in the Haight-Ashbury who takes in a deaf runaway chick and basically ruins her life? Man, was that weird! There's a bizarre reinactment of an acid trip with hokey special effects, a scene that takes place in "the ballroom," modeled after the Fillmore, Avalon and Winterland, and a young, pre-movie star Nicholson with a fake ponytail. Scary! Elmer |
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14 Jun 07 - 04:43 PM (#2077199) Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Lonesome EJ That was Freak Out, Elmer. The Trip had Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper. It was a documentation of an acid trip and had no real plot. Not that Freak Out had much more of a plot. |