31 Oct 03 - 09:06 PM (#1045588) Subject: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 From: masato sakurai Francis James Child's earlier 8-volume edition, English and Scottish Ballads (Boston: Little, Brown and company, 1860), is now viewed online as a Making of America collection: Volume 1 Volume 2 Volume 3 Volume 4 Volume 5 Volume 6 Volume 7 Volume 8 |
31 Oct 03 - 09:58 PM (#1045604) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 From: GUEST,Q Q (member on Netscape, guest on IE) Thanks, Masato, for pointing out the Making of America resource, which is an amazing collection. Click on Browse, and get the alphabetical listing of books and papers. History, books for children, literature, etc. etc. From the alphabetical listing, the Child volumes can be found by selecting C, then CH. I have the alphabetical index page bookmarked; from it I can go not only to the Child volumes but all the rest, with just the one bookmark. |
31 Oct 03 - 10:01 PM (#1045605) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 From: Sorcha Omigawd. Wonder how long it woud take to print it......thanks, Masato-San. |
31 Oct 03 - 10:40 PM (#1045617) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 From: masato sakurai Interestingly, "Greensleeves" is in Volume 4 (pp. 240-244). Of course, the song was not included in his definitive edition. |
01 Nov 03 - 10:30 AM (#1045787) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: masato sakurai From the preface: PREFACE. |
01 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM (#1045866) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Joe Offer I was a bit disappointed because the more visible part of this site is scans of the printed work. Not to worry. There is a text version of each volume available - you just have to look for the link. It's a big download, but not horrible. Having it in text makes it searchable, which is a great advantage. -Joe Offer- |
01 Nov 03 - 01:57 PM (#1045875) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Bill D well! amazing...that is the set I have bound in 4 volumes. Now, if I can search the text, then go read MY copy leisurely by the fire...*grin*... Thanks, Masato, for the find! |
01 Nov 03 - 02:16 PM (#1045882) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: GUEST Another great contribution by Masato. |
02 Nov 03 - 12:50 PM (#1046269) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: MMario Does it include tunes? |
02 Nov 03 - 02:01 PM (#1046301) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Bill D tunes were never provided by Child. Can't imagine how this could. (but we can wish) |
02 Nov 03 - 07:34 PM (#1046447) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Has anyone compiled a list of the lyrics in the 1860 edition that do not appear in the later editions? - Short of checking title for title. This probably has been done already. |
03 Nov 03 - 03:37 AM (#1046602) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: nutty Mmario ...... Bruce Olson's site has ABC's of many of the old ballads included in Child's collections. |
03 Nov 03 - 11:24 AM (#1046838) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Wolfgang Thanks Wolfgang |
03 Nov 03 - 12:11 PM (#1046878) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: radriano MMario, There is another book which is a sourse of tunes for the Child Ballads. In fact, in some cases several different melodies were collected for any individual ballad. Now my memory cells are playing hide and seek again but I think the author's name is Bronson? Can someone confirm that? I do have a copy of the volume at home so I can post details tomorrow unless someone else gets to it first. Radriano |
03 Nov 03 - 12:21 PM (#1046886) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: GUEST,MMario I've got the single volume Bronson 'The Singing Tradition of Child's Popular Ballads' |
03 Nov 03 - 02:43 PM (#1046989) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Malcolm Douglas A search for bronson will locate a good number of past discussions. One of the most useful results of having the shorter "first draft" of Child easily available will be the opportunity to compare the texts; in particular material omitted in the later work; supporting material such as fuller transcriptions of some of the European analogues, and some entire ballads. Child had good reason for cutting those latter, of course, and comparison should help to understand a little more of his methodology. Oddly, my local University has the 1860 work on the shelves, but you have to go to the City library for the English and Scottish Popular Ballads itself. Now I can drop a major job from the photocopying list. Thanks to Masato for letting us know about this very useful resource; and especially to the University of Michigan for providing it. |
03 Nov 03 - 03:57 PM (#1047031) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Complete poems of Lord Byron, other poets on the website. The indices to the works available are worth copying for reference. Years of reading material here. |
04 Nov 03 - 04:13 PM (#1047922) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (online) From: GUEST,Learchild Radriano Professor Bertrand H Bronson, of University of California at Berkley published a 4 volume set entitled the Traditional tunes of the Child Ballads. Child apparently could not conclude his research into the ballads as they appeared in the American tradition, this work of Bronson appears to be an excellent conclusion to that research. The tunes that we know and sing here in the north of England seem to be as published in Bronson. It is a massive work in itself. Published by Princeton University. |
15 Dec 09 - 04:02 PM (#2789064) Subject: RE: Child's English & Scottish Ballads, 1860 (onli From: Peter Shepheard The Loomis House reprint of Bronson's The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads is available through Springthyme both in UK and for Worldwide distribution - priced at £22 per volume (paperback) and £28 (hardback): Link: Bronson: Traditional Tunes - full set for £87 We have also been distributing the Loomis House reprint of Child's: The English and Scottish Ballads for several years - since the first volume was published in 2001. Bronson: Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads - Special Bargain: POST FREE (to UK and Ireland) : BUY ALL FOUR VOLUMES TOGETHER and be offered a FREE CD with fully searchable files for the complete collection: 2,200 pages of tunes and texts with notation for 4,120 tunes. The bargain of the century! The Singing Tradition - that is, Bertrand H Bronson's The Singing Tradition of Child's Popular Ballads, is a single-volume, abridged edition of Bronson's four volume The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads. To create this edition, Bronson selected those tunes and texts which had the strongest representation in the oral tradition, excluding those from the original collection which only existed in print. The volume has an excellent new introduction where Bronson analyses the essential unity of a ballad text and tune and he shows how ballad tunes have evolved to produce tune families. His introduction to the modal structure of tunes in the Anglo-American tradition is essential reading for singers and students of the ballad tradition. Dick Greenhaus of Camsco Music was the driving force behind the Bronson reprint - obtaining permission from the original publishers Princeton University Press and then working with Loomis House Press to arrange the republishing. Loomis in the United States had already set about republishing Child's English and Scottish Popular Ballads and we at Springthyme in Scotland arranged to distribute the Loomis Child volumes through our website. The four volume of Bronson's Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads became available earlier this year and now the condensed Singing Tradition in November 2009 is an alternative for those without the funds or the bookshelf space for the full set. All these are available from Springthyme - including a special bargain price on the four volume set of Bronson: BUY ALL FOUR VOLUMES TOGETHER and be offered a FREE CD with fully searchable files for the complete collection: 2,200 pages of tunes and texts with notation for 4,120 tunes. The bargain of the century! Have a look at: Bronson: Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads More about Bronson's 'Traditional Tunes' & 'Singing Tradition' For years it has been almost impossible to get the full set of Bronson (and the cost could be well over £1000) and the condensed edition has been near £100 (paperback) and up to £400 for the hardback. Congratulations to Dick at Camsco! |