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04 Nov 03 - 12:52 AM (#1047399) Subject: What is a Nyastaranga? From: GUEST,HUMMING Hi, me again. One more question . . . anyone know anything about the Nyastaranga a North Indian membrane instrument in the form of a "throat trumpet." Not to be confused with the double reed Nagasvaram of Southern India. The only thing I found on the Internet was on some Jazz Oboe page and the information there is suspect. The other stuff I came across wasn't in English and I'm ashamed to admit that I'm not multilingual. I know this is sort of a weird question for this forum but I figured I'd toss it out there anyway. Thanks. |
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04 Nov 03 - 01:23 AM (#1047411) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: katlaughing Hmmm...according to that jazz oboe site they are one in the same: The nagasvaram or nyastaranga is a mirliton which is an Indian instrument that has a sympathetic vibrating membrane such as the double reed on an oboe which gives it a similar sound to the oboe. BUT, all of the references I found for mirliton said it was a kazoo-like toy instrument or, something in Creole cooking, or tin soldiers!:-) I did find this at the Thesaurus of Musical Instruments which seems to support what you've said about the two being different instruments, as there is no nyastaranga listed for a nagasvaram: Nagasvaram MT379 .N35 (Instruction) UF Nadasvaram Nadaswaram Nagasuram Nakasvaram Nayanam BT - Musical instruments--India Oboe Google does translate pages, but sometimes they don't make a lot of sense. Good luck, this should be interesting! kat |
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04 Nov 03 - 02:43 AM (#1047438) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Wilfried Schaum Nyastaranga and nagasvaram can't be the same; judging from a picture the nagasvaram is not a mirliton but a double reed wind instrument like the oboe. The nyastaranga doesn't seem to be an instrument of classical music, so I didn't find it in the online Hindi-English dictionaries. Unfortunately our small Department of Comparing Linguistics is closed and my friend who could have looked it up in a Hindi encyclopaedia is gone. Mirliton A group of devices that uses a vibrating membrane to distort sound. The mirliton is a type of membranophone. the best-known mirliton is the kazoo. Glossary of Musical Terms Sorry Wilfried |
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06 Nov 03 - 09:32 AM (#1049186) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Wilfried Schaum Just found it scrutinizing the treasures of our University Library: Nyâstaranga (skr. upanga) ind. klassisches Instrument von der Gestalt eines geraden Horns, das wohl den Mirlitons zugerechnet werden muß; im Kesselmundstück sitzt ein feines Spinnwebe, das, wenn man das Instrument beim Singen oder Summen gegen den Kehlkopf drückt, mitschwingt und einen oboenartigen Ton erzeugt. Das Instrument, dessen Spiel sehr schwer ist, wird gelegentlich auch paarweise benutzt. Länge 43 - 52 cm. Sachs, Curt: Real-Lexicon der Musikinstrumente. - [Repr. of the ed.] Berlin : Hesse, 1913. - Hildesheim : Olms, 1962. - S. 274 b Nyâstaranga (sanskrit upanga) Indian classical instrument with the form of a straight horn which should be classed with the mirlitons; in the hollow mouthpiece there is a spider web which, when pressed to the larynx during singing or humming, starts swinging and generates a sound like the oboe. Playing the instrument is rather difficult; sometimes it is used in pairs. Seems to me the right instrument for a Guest, Humming Wilfried |
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08 Nov 03 - 03:17 PM (#1050223) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: GUEST,HUMMING WILFRIED: Thank you so much for taking the time to research the Nyastaranga for me! The information you have provided and translated is the best I have come across. I'm curious, what University are you affiliated with? Are you a professor? Just curious. |
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08 Nov 03 - 08:36 PM (#1050359) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: GUEST Why are you asking? First question? AND Second question? |
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09 Nov 03 - 07:01 PM (#1050811) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: GUEST,HUMMING Why am I asking what? Why am I asking about the Nyastaranga or why am I asking about WILFRIED?? Just curious about WILFRIED no obligations to answer. I'm asking about the Nyastaranga because I like weird instruments. |
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10 Nov 03 - 01:58 AM (#1050908) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Wilfried Schaum Hi Humming - After finishing my studies of Semititistics, Islamology and Latin I was in charge of the library of the Oriental Institute at the University of Giessen (state of Hessen, about 60 km nort of Frankfurt/Main). Now I am a librarian at Giessen University Library, and it is a much shorter way to the shelves with the encyclopaedias. I am always glad when I am able to help a fellow mudcatter with rather unusual questions. Regards Wilfried Anonymous guest - why should that be your concern? Don't answer, please. |
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10 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM (#1051204) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: GUEST,HUMMING Wilfried: Thanks for the background. You went out of your way to assist me and I had the feeling you were a scholar of some prominence . . . and apparently you are! just call me nosy! |
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12 Nov 03 - 02:58 AM (#1052178) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Wilfried Schaum You're welcome. Wilfried |
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17 Dec 13 - 02:21 AM (#3584827) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: GUEST,kelly Any idea how to pronounce Nyâstaranga |
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17 Dec 13 - 06:40 AM (#3584881) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Jack Campin BTW Sachs says another word for it is "umcunga" - he doesn't say in what language. Googling says that's a Brazilian word for "mouth bow" and that appears to be what Sach's description is of, rather than a kazoo. That is, the vibrating element can be a string rather than a membrane. According to Wikipedia the upanga in South India is a bagpipe used solely as a drone. And their meaning for it Swahili is "sword". http://208.47.228.196/Collections/search-the-collections/500767 The Grove Dictionary description is a bit more illuminating: http://themusicdictionary.org/nyastaranga/ |
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17 Dec 13 - 10:42 AM (#3584921) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Dave Hanson Sounds like a vuvuzela to me. Dave H |
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17 Dec 13 - 11:06 AM (#3584926) Subject: RE: What is a Nyastaranga? From: Jack Campin A vuvuzela is a horn or trumpet, so no it isn't. |