03 Aug 98 - 05:20 PM (#34018) Subject: I live not where I love From: fcarey@daemen.edu Hello! Does anyone know where I might find the lyrics to "I live not where I love", which appeared on Tim Hart and Maddy Prior's Summer Solstice disc as well as a John Renbourn Ship of Fools CD. Thank you, Frank Carey fcarey@daemen.edu |
03 Aug 98 - 06:25 PM (#34021) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: Bruce O. Jean Redpath also sings a version. The song originated in 1600. See notes at ZN1787 in the broadside ballad index on my website, where sources of 2 traditioaanl versions are also given. Three 17th century tunes are given as B212-4 in file BM2. |
03 Aug 98 - 09:26 PM (#34035) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: Susan of DT I found two versions by searching for [not where I] |
07 Aug 98 - 05:17 PM (#34411) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: anne.... Mary Black also sings I live not where I love on the CD Mary Black Collected from Grapevine. Try Dara Records!! |
24 Mar 99 - 06:43 PM (#65690) Subject: Lyrics for 'Though I Live Not Where I Love' From: trvlnmn@juno.com A friend of mine is looking for the lyrics to the song that contains the words 'Though I Live Not Where I Love'. She thinks she heard it on a DeDannen album. Any and all help will be appreciated. |
24 Mar 99 - 07:29 PM (#65702) Subject: RE: Lyrics for 'Though I Live Not Where I Love' From: Barbara Try the DT database. Just put [live not where] like that in brackets in the blue box upper right and it should come right up. Blessings, Barbara |
24 Mar 99 - 09:43 PM (#65736) Subject: RE: Lyrics for 'Though I Live Not Where I Love' From: Bruce O. Jean Redpath's version, 1st in DT, is not a traditional version. A note on the 2nd in DT say the original was by Martin Parker, but Peter Lowberry also wrote an early version and it's hard to say which the traditional versions are descended from. The song started out a part of a poem on Virgin Mary, by Robert Southwell, about 1596, and Robert Morley set some verses of it to music in 1600. Morley's tune is that on my website among the broadside ballad tunes. |
25 Mar 99 - 06:24 PM (#65956) Subject: Lyr Add: I LIVE NOT WHERE I LOVE From: Bruce O. [Correcting what I quoted from defective memory above, is this origin of "I live not where I love".] [From Morley's 'First Book of Ayres', 1600. These are Robert Southwell's verses 5, 4, and 3 from "Marie Magdalens complaynte at Christes death", in 'Saint Peter's Complaint, With other Poems', 1595.]
With my loue my life was nestled,
Where the truth once was and is not,
O true loue since thou hast left me, |
25 Mar 99 - 08:30 PM (#65983) Subject: RE: Lyrics for 'Though I Live Not Where I Love' From: Bruce O. I've put the above text, Peter Lowberry' broadside version of 1638 (Martin Parker's broadside has nothing to do with this song), and a good traditional version of "I live not where I love" (Lowberry's ballad) in the Scarce Songs 2 file on my website. |
20 Jun 02 - 03:28 PM (#733849) Subject: I live not where I love From: Arnie I have recently decided to try out the old song 'I live not where I love'. Got the words off the mudcat database but don't know anything about the origins, other than that it is very old. I'm sure someone once told me that it was penned by Henry VIII - though where he got the time in between divorcing/beheading/remarrying etc. I can't imagine. Is there any truth in his being the author?Any info much appreciated.. |
20 Jun 02 - 03:46 PM (#733861) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: GUEST Not Henry VIII. For a concise history see ZN3048 in the broadside ballad index at www.erols.com/olsonw |
20 Jun 02 - 04:11 PM (#733873) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: Jacob B Here's the text the guest was referring to. It's a bit too concise for me to follow.
You loyal Lovers that are distant/ ZN3048| The Constant Lover/ |
20 Jun 02 - 04:25 PM (#733883) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: Herga Kitty I had already recorded an "English Civil War" version given to me by the lady from whom Norma Waterson got "My Willie sailed on the tender/ Bay of Biscay" and believed to have been handed down orally in a garrison town in Ireland, when I found that it was actually a version written by Gregg Butler of Strawhead for a Civil War album which had somehow found its way onto a flyer sold at a fleadh before Strawhead had recorded it. It was still quite interesting to see what the folk process had done to the song - because we took the title of our CD (Dark the Day) from one line, and then discovered that the line had been changed from "through dark or day". Heigh ho Kitty |
20 Jun 02 - 07:06 PM (#733959) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: nutty There are a number of broadsides of the song in the Bodleian Library. The one below, circa 1820, is titled Young Thomas but the song also appears as The Constant Female as well as I Live Not Where I Love CLICK HERE |
20 Jun 02 - 07:31 PM (#733980) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: Snuffy There are 2 versions in the DT. This one I LIVE NOT WHERE I LOVE (2) was submitted by Bruce Olson and has a note at the end: original version attributed to Martin Parker, c1630s.WassaiL! V |
20 Jun 02 - 09:36 PM (#734040) Subject: RE: I live not where I love From: GUEST After having compared traditional versions with the two broadside versions more carefuly, I think traditional versions stem from P[eter] L[owberry]'s version more likely than from Martin Parker's |
09 Dec 03 - 04:39 PM (#1068718) Subject: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Klavdivs can anyone supply the words to this parody, which Derek B used to sing, and very possibly wrote since it's his style. ta |
09 Dec 03 - 07:58 PM (#1068851) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Murray MacLeod The mind boggles. This, I have to hear .... |
09 Dec 03 - 09:18 PM (#1068909) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Sorcha I thought it was 'live not where I love' but I will look. Old Country song.... |
09 Dec 03 - 09:22 PM (#1068914) Subject: Lyr Add: I LIVE NOT WHERE I LOVE From: Sorcha Well, here is 'Live Not Where I Love'....don't know if it is the right one... I LIVE NOT WHERE I LOVE Songwriter: Traditional ^^^ Lyrics: O Come all ye maids who live at a distance Many's a mile from off your sway Come and assist me this very moment For to pass away some time Singing sweetly and completely Songs of pleasure and of love For me heart is with him altogether Though I live not where I love When I sleep I dream about you When I wake I take no rest Every moment thinking on you My heart o'er fixed in your breast But although far distance May be of assistance If from my mind your love remove For me heart is with him altogether Though I live not where I love All the world shall be of one religion All living things shall cease to die If ever I should prove false to my jewel Or any way his love deny Oh the world shall change And be most strange If from my mind your love remove For me heart is with him altogether Though I live not where I love So farewell lad and farewell lassies Now I think I've made my choice I will away to yonder mountain Where I think I hear his voice And if he hollows I will follow Around the world though it is so wide For young Thomas he did promise I should be his lawful bride Repeat first verse. http://www.mary-black.net/disco/songs/48.htm I am pretty sure I have the other, old country, on LP somewhere..I will look. |
09 Dec 03 - 09:28 PM (#1068918) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Murray MacLeod Sorcha, darling, sweet of you to take the trouble, but what we are eagerly anticipating is the parody to Mary Black's song, as composed (presumably) by the inimitable Derek Brimstone |
10 Dec 03 - 07:37 AM (#1069208) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: MartinRyan I see it listed on a Sid Kippper album..... 'Nuff said. Regards |
10 Dec 03 - 01:14 PM (#1069527) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Fran Les Barker has written one called "I live not near the louvre" sung by Eileen McGann o the "Tubular Dogs Album |
11 Dec 03 - 06:46 AM (#1070122) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: a gud ole bwoy Now e might a dunt it, but I dunt recon e did it, 'cos it e used tu loike singin the original words fur that ballud.On his early LP's he alwus 'ad the proper words, but then acourse yer never know wi Derek Brimston the things e comes out with. Souds loike a Kipper song tu me un all. Cherio |
13 Dec 03 - 04:44 AM (#1071424) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Gurney Refresh, just in case someone who knows it missed it.... |
13 Dec 03 - 01:02 PM (#1071599) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: GUEST some info here This organisation may be able to get it for you (if you want it) if you can't find it anywhere else |
13 Dec 03 - 06:30 PM (#1071751) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Dave the Gnome Eeeeh. Sorry, Wellsy. Put a sensible request in and all you get is pratts giving you the original words or telling you that Derek Brimstone is Sid Kipper... I am a pillock as well coz I can't give you the words either but at least I know what you are talking about. My favourite tale of Dereks is of his Granddaughter winning the prize for the most unusual pet at the village summer fete. A tin of sardines... Perhaps someone with more than half a brain will respond with the words you actualy asked for? :-) Cheers DtG |
13 Dec 03 - 07:19 PM (#1071774) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Murray MacLeod DtG, I suggest that you may have looked upon the wine when it was red tonight (or the beer when it was brown) and might like to reconsider one or two parts of your post in the cold light of day .... |
14 Dec 03 - 05:48 PM (#1072312) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Dave the Gnome Hehehehe - Me, imbibing of such evil concoction? Never! I just get cheesed off with people providing 'useful' information occasionaly. I tend toward the pedantic at times but surely no court in the land would find me guilty in this case? The original question. can anyone supply the words to this parody, which Derek B used to sing... Followed by answers... 1. I Live Not Where I Love. Songwriter: Traditional 2. I see it listed on a Sid Kippper album..... 3. Souds loike a Kipper song tu me un all. I rest my case m'lud. Or is it m'cloud...;-) Cheers Dave the Pedant |
14 Dec 03 - 07:22 PM (#1072418) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brims From: The Borchester Echo OK, DtG, no useful information from me on this one. This is because I laughed too much to take in enough of the lyrics to make it worth posting them. Perhaps Wellsy could try contacting Derek Brimstone here. (Which is not actually working, doh! I got it from Folk Roots which does give other means of contact though). |
14 Dec 03 - 07:30 PM (#1072428) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Dave the Gnome Eeeeeh, Countess. Wait till we meet at the Bolton Abbey to Keld 'Gypsy' walk. We can see what other means of contact means... I am stll not fit enough btw... Can you help? Cheers DtG |
14 Dec 03 - 07:41 PM (#1072440) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brims From: The Borchester Echo No. I met up with Carol Pegg recently and meant to ask her about your credentials...if you have any, that is. |
14 Dec 03 - 08:14 PM (#1072464) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: vectis Oh dear Dave TG It just goes to prove that IT runs in the family Yea unto the third generation... |
15 Dec 03 - 03:37 PM (#1073132) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Dave the Gnome It just goes to prove that IT runs in the family??? Noses run in my family! Whatever else can you be suggesting? Three generations back my Great Grandfather, who for some reason looked like Rasputin and was once hit on the head with an axe, begat my Grandad who turned out to be a Russian Orthodox priest. He was alcoholic and died of a smoking related disese. I could tell you one or two things about my Dad as well but he may get to hear of it...;-) See! Nothing wrong with my family. And, Countess, Carol doesn't have my credentials but Bob just sent me a very nice CD of his show about wolves. Hmmmm. Wonder is there any significance in that;-) Cheers DtG |
24 Dec 03 - 09:09 AM (#1079162) Subject: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brimston From: Klavdivs This thread seems to have meandered into a backwater. DaveGnome, Countess Richard et al. - please do your diverting in another place. I was the original inquirer, and am still looking for " I LOVE NOT WHERE I LIVE". Have tried the suggested links to the Kippers./ Seems that they might indeed have written it, but I've found no lyrics. Bon Noel a tout le monde. |
24 Dec 03 - 09:46 AM (#1079185) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I love not where I live - Derek Brims From: The Borchester Echo Well, cheers Wellsy. I take it you haven't yet pursued the contact details to Derek Brimstone via Folk Roots that I posted earlier? Meanwhile, you could do a lot worse than investigate the Pegg's back catalogue. This is no diversion but a useful recommendation. |
31 May 09 - 08:52 AM (#2644771) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Love Not Where I Live (Derek Brimstone) From: Murray MacLeod I was listening to June Tabor and Maddy Prior singing the original, and thought it was about time this thread was refreshed. has Derek's/Sid Kipper's/Les Barker's parody been recorded in the intervening six years, or can anybody post the lyrics ? |
31 May 09 - 09:01 AM (#2644774) Subject: Lyr Add: I LOVE NOT WHERE I LIVE From: Murray MacLeod I should have done some Googling prior to posting ... I LOVE NOT WHERE I LIVE Come all you maids that think to marry, And live constant with your swine; Let me advise you this very moment - Think again and change your mind. Quite besotted, I got knotted, Ignoring the advice my mother give; Oh, wedding bells rung me to hell, And now I love not where I live. I should have heeded those who pleaded, Those who said it would not work; That night I went to bed a bride, Next morning woke up with a jerk. Then he roused, while I still drowsed, And tackled me most primitive; So quickly wedlock turned to deadlock, And now I love not where I live. Oh I thought Thomas had such promise, He was handsome, dark and rich, But the world have changed and seems most strange, Since I got spliced and found the hitch. I struck my match, then saw the catch, Now I've leisure to mis-give; For consummation's my damnation, And now I love not where I live. Until I met a scribe this morning, While my swine lay wallowing; As my tormentor was still yawning, I this man was following. In his rooms we two did spoon, But here I'll close my narrative, For he has penned a happy end, And now I love, not where I live. Copyright Chris Sugden, 2002 I assume Chris Sugden must be known to a few Mudcatters ? |
31 May 09 - 10:44 AM (#2644831) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Love Not Where I Live (Derek Brimstone) From: breezy aka Sod Kopper |
17 May 21 - 07:33 PM (#4106429) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Joe Offer Joe - needs cleanup |
20 May 21 - 06:33 AM (#4106757) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Jerry I have to say I hadn’t come across these parodies before, so my 2018 treatise on home improvements wasn’t as original as I had previously imagined. THE CONSTANT TROUBLE Come all ye tradesmen, whatever distance, Many a tile’s come off of my roof; Come and assist me repair my fixtures, Even the guttering’s now come loose. And my street drain’s blocked completely, All the house now really whiffs; Once our house was all together, Now I love not where I live. Our main power’s down, I know not why now, Could be that wiring I renewed; My best I’ve tried though at DIY now, Ensured reef knots are only used. First the Hoover, then Zanussi Burst in flames before fuse tripped, Reduced our kettle to molten metal, So I love not where I live. They won’t insure us since the stove explosion, I took up plumbing to save on costs; With boiler broken the pipes got frozen, Our only water as the fridge defrosts. When pipes thawed out the water poured out, My painted stop tap failed to twist; Our water meter then overheated, So I love not where I live. I tried the mains valve with wrench and crowbar, The nut’s now smooth as the dome of St Paul’s, Beneath our home there’s a gaping void there, Caused by our own Niagra Falls. Where it flooded lounge and study, Our floorboards are wont to give, Round walls we belay on ropes in relay, So I love not where I live. My track record’s one long disaster, It all started when putting up shelves; In Nextdoor’s larder I dislodged the plaster, Why can’t machines behave themselves? First the strimmer, then hedge trimmer, Like our Polo, refused to shift; Whilst it lingers down the sinkhole, So I love not where I live. I’d seek advice, but it’s not that easy, Communications are far from fine; Can’t use the keyboard on our dusty PC, I cleaned the keys with turpentine. Our chimney fire sent phones haywire, Left our landline fully stripped; Now we pick up broadcasts as each plane roars passed, So I love not where I live. My home life’s not quite as I fancied, I’ve not eaten these last weeks; Meat in the Samsung’s all gone rancid, No garden veg since the oil tank leaked. The Wife’s left home now and the dog’s gone roaming, Now there’s Winter’s icy grip; I’m left alone here to catch pneumonia, And I love not where I live. |
20 May 21 - 07:53 AM (#4106762) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Georgiansilver O Come all ye maids who live at a distance Many's a mile from off your swain Come and assist me this very moment For to pass away some time Singing sweetly and completely Songs of pleasure and of love For me heart is with him altogether Though I live not where I love When I sleep I dream about you When I wake I take no rest Every moment thinking on you My heart o'er fixed in your breast But although far distance May be of assistance If from my mind your love remove For me heart is with him altogether Though I live not where I love All the world shall be of one religion All living things shall cease to die If ever I should prove false to my jewel Or any way his love deny Oh the world shall change And be most strange If from my mind your love remove For me heart is with him altogether Though I live not where I love |
22 May 21 - 06:08 PM (#4107077) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Big Al Whittle I heard it referred to on mudcat as a Victorian parlour ballad. I believe its in the repertoire of the Copper Family. Derek Brimstone probably got it from Maddy. He was guitarist front/chat man for her first little group when she was 17 or so - he told me. Whilst Derek had a very eclectic approach to folk music, I think he liked revival/professional folksingers better than roots/primary source type renditions. |
22 May 21 - 07:49 PM (#4107084) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow Sung by Robert Barratt Puddletown Dorset to the Hammond Brothers in 1905. He had throat cancer and could only whisper the tune. He managed, somehow to communicate 50 odd songs. The song was included in 'Marrowbones' by Frank Purslow. It was taken up by Fin and Eddie Fury who had an LP called I live Not Where I Love, and then a raft of Irish singers, who seemed to believe it was an Irish song, turned it into something it never was. It first appeared as 'The Constant Lover' in 1638. Then filtered down through numerous Broadside printers in the nineteenth century. It may have been originally written by one Peter Lowberry. The tune is not as old as the words (I think) and seems to have been prevalent in the West Country. Sharp found a fragment in Somerset, but nowhere else. Roud 593 will give any other versions. The tune is fairly obviously an art music composure, but none the worse for that. It is a testament to the quality of both tune and words that it survived until the early part of the 20th Century virtually unchanged since William Chappell 'Popular Music of Olden Times' Vol 2 Page 451-3 printed it c.1855, with a very similar tune. That's the best I can do, hope it helps. Nick |
23 May 21 - 02:03 AM (#4107116) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: The Sandman i read somewhere that it originally had many more verses 40? in my opinion it is a beautiful song, |
23 May 21 - 02:22 AM (#4107117) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Reinhard Al, I don't know of any Copper Family recording of I Live Not Where I Love, and it is not in the Copper Family Song Book. |
23 May 21 - 02:48 AM (#4107120) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow The line 'I live not where I love' was a familiar line from the work of, Robert Southwell 1595. Pitts rewrote the text into seven verses of four lines. This version is the older and most common. Forty verses?, not to my knowledge. The Copper's did not sing it. Pity in one respect, I imagine the glee club style of singing would have touched upon the song sometime in its history. |
23 May 21 - 03:35 AM (#4107124) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: The Sandman I am sure my information is correct , i am sure i read this in the notes of one of the collections. could a moderator remove the parodies and start a seperate thread, please, they are not relevant.
I haven't seen enough information posted to come up with a credible cleanup yet, so I'll just let it run. I see that you posted an unsourced version that Sorcha had posted in this thread in 2003. We really don't need the same post twice in one thread, so I deleted your copy of Sorcha's post. At least Sorcha said she got the lyrics from Mary Black's Website. You deleted that part. Mary Black lyrics are notoriously inaccurate. -Joe- |
23 May 21 - 07:35 AM (#4107153) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Georgiansilver Not sure where the 'Many's the mile from off your sway' came from but I have always known it as many's the mile from off your swain....... a swain being a young lover. Sway does not seem to make sense. |
23 May 21 - 08:51 AM (#4107167) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: The Sandman correct it is swain |
23 May 21 - 09:06 AM (#4107171) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow Could you give me the source Dick. Has the song been published elsewhere than 'Marrowbones'. I would love to read the notes. Swain also means a country youth in archaic English, which once again underlines the Art music derivation, not that the song is diminished in any way. |
23 May 21 - 09:41 AM (#4107177) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: RTim Steve Gardham's - Earliest versions spreadsheet has it as early as 1638 - a Broadside printed in London by Gosson, with an reference of Roxburghe Ballads, BL C.20.f.7 68-69 as primary source (and Roud 593) So pick the bones out of that....:-) Tim Radford |
23 May 21 - 02:34 PM (#4107244) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow Thanks Tim. Didn't realise it was in Roxburgh. I've got them in PDF so I'll take a look. |
23 May 21 - 02:43 PM (#4107247) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: RTim I have also looked in the Bodleian Ballads Online where is can be found on several broadsides, often called "Dear Thomas". (still only 4 verses)......And most interestingly there is also - "I am now living where I Love" - The answer to "Live not where I love". See the link below: http://ballads.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/static/images/sheets/10000/07035.gif Tim Radford |
23 May 21 - 07:57 PM (#4107297) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow I believe there was an answer which ended up on a broadside, and extended the song to 16 verses of eight lines. 32 quatrains which is maybe where Dick got the 40 verse idea from. There are two sets of notes. One in Marrowbones one and the other in the republished version. I would still like to know a bit more about the tune. Dorset and Hampshire seemed to hold some interesting and unique melodies. 'Bonny Kate' is a good example A-A-B-C, most unusual for a folk song. There is a clue in the words with a Cant word dating from c.1811 in the text. Unfortunately no such help in I live not where I Love other than the aforementioned 'Swain'. I've always loved the song. Gerry Milne always used to dedicate it to his local pub. Wonder if he's still singing (or drinking). |
24 May 21 - 03:16 AM (#4107322) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: The Sandman the "idea" of mine . was not the sort of thing i imagined , it was not an answer, however trying to locate it will probably be difficult |
24 May 21 - 04:11 AM (#4107324) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow I hope you find the details Dick, and can post them here. Just to help were the details in a songbook or an article. How old was the publication? Any idea who wrote them? You've got me interested. I'll do a bit of digging as well. |
24 May 21 - 07:08 AM (#4107341) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow More help. There are 52 entries in Roud. Including Reeves 'Everlasting Circle' which I have not got. Could be in there? |
24 May 21 - 08:09 AM (#4107351) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Reinhard Reeves Everlasting Circle' has the version collected by Hammond from Mr Barrett in Dorset that is also printed in Roud, Upton & Tayor, "Still Growing" |
24 May 21 - 11:59 AM (#4107383) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow Thanks Reinhard. The tune in 'Still Growing' has a variable seventh, which I had not noticed before. |
24 May 21 - 12:14 PM (#4107390) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Steve Gardham Hi Nick 'Swain' is certainly old, but more to the point, it's poetic, high-flown. Holmfirth Anthem's not that old. |
25 May 21 - 03:09 AM (#4107486) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: Big Al Whittle Reinhard, you got me racking my brains locating where I got that piece of misinformation from.... |
25 May 21 - 07:28 AM (#4107506) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: The Sandman could it be pills to purge melancholy? |
25 May 21 - 12:03 PM (#4107536) Subject: RE: Origins: I Live Not Where I Love From: GUEST,Nick Dow Just had a look at the 'Answer' on a Pitts broadside. Rather interesting. Answers were not usually printed unless the original had been a success. It was certainly far from a success according to Roud. However it has been a resounding success since 'Marrowbones'. I even heard an Irish country version of it in Fleetwood Market. It may well be that the song was considered to be an Art production and not noted by the early (Pre-Sharp) collectors, in the same way as Sharp ignored early Music Hall material. All speculation of course. |