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22 Sep 98 - 03:21 PM (#38985) Subject: Lyrics Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Hello! I hope someone will be able to help me with this: I've been searching for the lyrics to "An Raibh Tu..." for quite a while now, but have always run into dead ends. Does anyone out there either know the lyrics or have any suggestions of where I can search? Of course, if anyone knows where I can get sheet music (with a vocal line, please), that would also be wonderful. :) Thank you all so much for your help! Marguerite Smith aoifeanfa@hotmail.com |
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22 Sep 98 - 09:00 PM (#39033) Subject: Lyr Add: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: MaelgwynHe An raibh tu ar an gCarraig no an bhfaca tu fein mo ghra No an bhfaca tu gile agus finne agus sceimh na mna No an bhfaca tu an t-ull ba chumhra is ba mhilse blath No an bhfaca tu mo vaillintin no an bhfuil si a cloi mar 'taim? Do bhios-sa ar an gCarraig is do chonaic me fein do ghra Do chonaic me gile agus fine agus sceimh na mna Do chonaic me an t-ull ba chumhra is ba mhilse blath Do chonaic me do vailintin agus nil si a cloi mar 'tair |
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24 Sep 98 - 07:01 PM (#39267) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: briain 9/24/98 You will find a splendid version of An raibh tu/ ar an gcarraig on "Say a Song" by Joe Heaney, NW Folklife CD otherwise, a printed version exists in "Ceolta Gael" le Sea/n O/g agus Ma/nus O/Baoill ISBN 0 85342 410 1 1975 Go n-eirigh an t-adh leat |
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16 Jul 01 - 04:01 PM (#507922) Subject: Lyr Add: WERE YOU AT THE ROCK? (An Raibh Tu Ag...) From: Alice I searched the forum to find other threads that may contain English versions, but couldn't find any. I have the Joe Heaney recording in Irish, and also a recording by the Norwegian singer, Sissel. The recording in Irish by Sissel is on a CD soundtrack for the PBS series, The Long Journey Home. The CD notes include an English version, and I was wondering if anyone knew of other versions/translations of the song in English. I also could not find any credits for who wrote these English verses, so that information is appreciated if anyone has it. Thanks.
Did you go then to the grey rocks,
Oh, my Mary, long we wait here Alice |
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16 Jul 01 - 04:09 PM (#507933) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Alice For those who may be wondering about the title, it is "Were You At The Rock?". Alice |
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16 Jul 01 - 07:28 PM (#508114) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Matthew Edwards Perhaps a few extra words of explanation wouldn't be amiss. The rock would be the Mass Rock in times when Irish people were oppressed under the Penal Laws, and forbidden to worship in their own churches. So they had to celebrate furtively, at open air locations, in ceremonies conducted by a priest who was probably on the run from the civil authorities. There is a wonderful slow air played (I think) by Julia Clifford on one of the Topic LPs of Music from Sliabh Luachra. |
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16 Jul 01 - 08:47 PM (#508153) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Barry T Ahh... one of my favourite tunes! For those who aren't familiar with this haunting melody here is my midi sequence. I'm still not pleased with the guitar part, but I'm getting closer. |
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17 Jul 01 - 06:39 AM (#508411) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: ard mhacha Matthew Edwards, Very well explained, the song was one of the secret songs to tell the native irish that a Mass would be taking place. As Matthew says a lovely slow air, It is on Chieftains 2 or 3. Slan Ard Mhacha. |
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17 Jul 01 - 09:10 AM (#508490) Subject: Notation? Were You At The Rock From: Alice Does anyone know of a gif or jpg of notation for this song? |
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20 Jul 01 - 02:14 AM (#511014) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Alice |
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09 Aug 04 - 05:14 PM (#1243523) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,skyesidhe If you google this you get a bunch of midi recordings, but if you want to hear it well I'd suggest Joe Heaney..like the person above did. He's probably the most famous Sean Nos singer out there. As far as notation goes, you can find it, but because sean nos is such an oral tradition, if you really want to learn it I'd say listen to several artists renditions a whole bunch of times, get the gist of the melody and then play with your own ornamentation. That is what is so neat about sean nos, that every song is different when said by a different person because personal ornamentation (like the trills and slips you'll hear Joe do) differs so widely! As far as the english version up there, it's going to be a little munted because it tries to rhyme and get the feel, so it won't be a strict translation, if you want a literal one I could do that for you with a few days notice. Anyhow, thanks for asking this because I was looking for the lyrics too, since I lost them! |
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09 Aug 04 - 05:33 PM (#1243540) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Fliss Strange I was listening to Long Journey Home at a friends house last week. She is Irish and was explaining about the Mass rock. One of our Boat session musicians plays it very hauntingly on whistle with his son accompanying him on guitar.... makes the hairs on the back of your neck walk. fxx |
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09 Aug 04 - 07:16 PM (#1243585) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,skyesidhe ...so..I got bored so I did some translating.. Were you on the rock? Did you see my love? Did you see the fair and whie and beauty of the woman? Did you see the apple (apple is ull, but couldn't fine t-ull so not sure about that) is it fragrant and is sweet the flower? Did you see my valentine? was she subdued for my wretchedness? I was on the rock, I saw your love I saw the fair and white beauty of the woman I saw the apple, it is fragrant and sweet is the flower I saw your valenting and she will not be subdued for your wretchedness. This is pretty literal, Sean Williams, my professor told us it was all in code so that even if someone understood the irish they would not know that they were talking about the mass on the rock. It is possible it was call and response to as about mass if you were there and if it was still forbidden. the word wretchedness confuses me..but I'm guessing it's an allusion to the penal laws. |
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09 Aug 04 - 08:26 PM (#1243658) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: David Ingerson Thanks for the translation, skyesidhe. I'm sure someone else can explain this better than I can, but "ull" is "apple" or "an apple." To say "the apple" Irish adds the t- so it becomes "an t-ull." It's something like an elision, although I'm sure that's not the correct technical term. The same is true with the word for floor: urlar, an t-urlar. David |
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10 Aug 04 - 12:31 PM (#1244178) Subject: RE: Lyrics: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Fear Faire In case anyone is interested in the t-, it is historically part of the article (the) - modern 'an' but previously 'int'. When the -t was lost in most cases it was still functional in some cases before words beginning with vowels or s- and while the article is nowadays spelled an, those situations where the -t survived are represented by inserting it with a hyphen before the noun. Masculine and feminine gender nouns have it in different cases (but that would be going than anyone needs to know here?). |
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14 Aug 04 - 07:47 PM (#1247788) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,skyesidhe Yeah..silly me, I forgot, it's a lenition thing. I'm only just getting back into my Irish after 2 years, so it's rough going right now! *grins*...by the way, I found a great translation and a wonderful page, there aren't many songs, but Sean studied under Joe Heaney and runs the most comprehensive and largest Irish studies class in the world (at least that's what I've heard...it is huge..and in depth, one whole year of nothing but interdisciplinary Irish cultural anthropology!) Here's her song page. http://academic.evergreen.edu/w/williams/song%20lyrics.html |
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15 Aug 04 - 06:52 AM (#1247952) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tú ag an gCarraig? From: Felipa I've recently heard a couple of different people sing this song at sessions. They used a different tune, much like the Sloop John B. That makes the song suitable for group and harmony singing. I asked and the (youngish) singers were not even aware of the old haunting melody. |
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08 Nov 04 - 08:39 PM (#1320938) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,elenaargote@optonline.net Hello all, Would anyone have chords for Ag an gCarraig (At the Rock)? The version I am familiar with is from a Beginish CD called Stormy Weather. Another beautiful song that I would like the chords to is An Búchaillín Donn. Thanks for your help. Doris Elena |
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24 Feb 05 - 05:06 AM (#1419341) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,barry.considine@xtra.co.nz My thickets of thanks to Google, Mudcraft, and all who provided info above. I was asked to prepare a short medley of Irish songs for a Racial-tolerance concert in Kaikohe, Far North, New Zealand. I dived into Google with faint hope, remembering only the first two lines, and found 120 references! Thanks again |
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09 Oct 07 - 10:08 AM (#2167235) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,Michael Holly This song was a code, sung on a Friday night. If the ending of the song was positive, that meant that mass was on at the rock on Sunday, if negative it meant not. |
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23 Dec 07 - 04:14 PM (#2221507) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST -Have you been at Carrick, and saw my true-love there? And saw you her features, all beautiful, bright, and fair? Saw you the most fragrant, flowering, sweet apple-tree? Oh! saw you my loved one, and pines she in grief like me? I have been at Carrick, and saw thy own true-love there; And saw, too, her features, all beautiful, bright and fair; And saw the most fragrant, flowering, sweet apple-tree I saw thy loved one—she pines not in grief, like thee! |
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23 Dec 07 - 07:25 PM (#2221592) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Fliss Its a beautiful tune, one of our musicians plays it at the session. I didnt realise there were words to it. |
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20 Jun 08 - 08:45 AM (#2370626) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,paddy mul anyone got sheet music for this song?? |
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04 Apr 09 - 12:59 PM (#2604581) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,Elias Yeah that would be nice |
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11 Apr 09 - 11:39 AM (#2609221) Subject: RE:tune Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: Felipa if I recall the tune is in the songbook Cás Amhrán 1 (see Cló Iar-Chonachta also tunes are included in Ceolta Gael mentioned above according to http://www.irishtune.info/tune/812/ bibliography: As tune #94 in [1850] Francis O'Neill and James O'Neill. O'Neill's Music of Ireland. As tune #61 in volume 1 of [R] Francis Roche. The Roche Collection of Traditional Irish Music. 3 vols. On page 35 of [TOC] Tomás Ó Canainn. Traditional Music in Ireland. On page 47 of [TOC] Tomás Ó Canainn. Traditional Music in Ireland. As tune #99 in [Cr] Matt Cranitch. The Irish Fiddle Book. You will also find a discography at Irish tune info I think you can listen to Liam Ó Maonlaigh's rendition on line (I leave it to someone else to search for a link) lyrics, literal and poetic translation at http://www.irishpage.com/poems/carraig.htm [no, I have not perused to evaluate acccuracy or singability] |
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06 Jan 16 - 09:56 PM (#3763355) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: AmyLove Lovely visuals and pertinent information provided along with the tune in this video: An raibh tú ag an gcarraig? |
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29 Apr 16 - 01:13 PM (#3787839) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: keberoxu There is now a performance of this air being sung with harp, available on compact disc. The name of the compact disc album is "An Caitín Bán", and it is a family endeavor, with performances, production, and even cover artwork by the brothers De Barra, sons of theatrical director Tony de Barra. However, it is not the young men who recorded this song. The first two verses of "An raibh tú ag an gCarraig" were recorded in 1969 during a live concert in Brittany, according to the liner notes provided by the de Barra brothers. The young woman who sings the song, and accompanies herself on the harp, is the mother of the de Barra brothers. She is identified by her maiden name, Nessa Ní Thuama. This compact disc is for sale online and can be obtained from Claddagh records. |
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25 Jan 22 - 11:17 PM (#4133860) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,Rory A version of the song collected from oral tradition by Irish scholar Patrick Lynch in Mayo in June 1802, for Edward Bunting's Collection, in which none of Lynch's two hundred collected and translated songs were ever published by Bunting. Patrick Lynch Irish Gaelic transcription in: The Edward Bunting Collection in Special Collections & Archives, Queen's University Belfast MS 4/26 Manuscript collection of Irish songs in Gaelic and some English prose translations by Patrick Lynch MS 4_26_30m, page 197, 1802 Patrick Lynch Irish Gaelic transcription: Bhfaca tú mo Valantin? Patrick Lynch Irish Gaelic fair copy (neatly re-written): MS 4/10 Manuscript collection of Irish songs in Gaelic by Patrick Lynch MS 4.10.106, page 106, 1802 Patrick Lynch Irish Gaelic fair copy: Bhfaca tú mo Valantin? Bhfaca tú mo Valantin? An raibh tú ar a’ Charraic, nó a’ bhfaca tú féin mo ghrádh? A’ bhfaca tú gíle na finne nó sgéimh na mná? A’ bhfaca tú an t-ubhall is cumhran, deigh-mhilse bláth? Nó a’ bhfaca tú mo Valantin, nó ‘bhfuil sí gá claoidh mar táim? Bhí mé ar a’ Charraic agus chonnaic mé féin do ghrádh, Ní bhfhaca mé gíle na finne nó sgéimh na mná, Ní bhfhaca mé an t-ubhall ba cumhartha, deigh-mhilse bláth, Ach chonaic mé do Valantin, is níl sí gá claoidh mar táir. táim = tá mé = I am táir = tá tú = you are claoidh = caoid (arch.) = caoin = weeping, lamenting, mourning Patrick Lynch translation: MS 4/26 Manuscript collection of Irish songs in Gaelic and some English prose translations by Patrick Lynch MS 4_26_30f, page 190, 1802 Patrick Lynch translation: Did you see my Valentine? Did you see my Valentine? Were you at Carrick, or did you yourself see my love? Did you see the clearest white of fairness in female beauty? Did you see the apple of the finest scent and the most delicious and best that bears a blossom? Or did you see my valentine, or is she pining as I am? I have been at Carrick, and I myself saw your love, I did not see the clearest white of fairness in female beauty, I did not see the apple of the finest scent, the best, and most delicious that bears a blossom, Bu I saw your valentine, and she is not pining as you are. . |
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26 Jan 22 - 07:51 AM (#4133889) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: An Raibh Tu Ag An gCarraig From: GUEST,Peter Laban Breandan Begley & Sons |