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04 Feb 04 - 11:48 AM (#1109194) Subject: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Den I know we have a number of learned catters around, so I was wondering if anyone could help me translate the phrase "success through effort", into latin. The phrase will be incorporated into a club crest I am designing for my brother's youth soccer team. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks. D |
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04 Feb 04 - 11:58 AM (#1109197) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: MudGuard success = successus or successio through = per effort = nixus Question: why do you want it in Latin, if none of the players knows enough Latin to translate it anyway? |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:02 PM (#1109203) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: MudGuard Forgot to mention: after "per" accusative is used, so the phrase should be successio per nixum |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:04 PM (#1109204) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST status |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:05 PM (#1109205) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Den Well Mudguard, I'm just the piano player, so to speak. My brother wants it in latin as I suppose its kind of a tradition to have a motto as part of your crest or club badge in soccer and the words are usually but not exclusively in latin. Thanks for you quick response though. Would you use successus or successio, if you were saying it? |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:10 PM (#1109209) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy there is already a well known Latin motto that carries the sense of success through effort it is ad astra per aspera roughly in English 'to the stars by hardships' |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:15 PM (#1109213) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: BanjoRay Shouldn't that be Per Ardua Ad Astra - The motto of the Royal Air Force? Ray |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:24 PM (#1109224) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST similar, but both are seen in use, BanjoRay; you could say 'successus per magnum laborem' and I think you would be understood as 'success through hard work' |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:27 PM (#1109226) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: mooman A slightly more elegant phrase might be labor omnia vincit meaning "work conquers all" Pax moo |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:30 PM (#1109229) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: MudGuard I'd prefer successio over successus... But I am not a big expert, I am just good enough to use a dictionary, a grammar book and some small rest of all the Latin lessons ages ago at school... |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:33 PM (#1109235) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Stilly River Sage Yet another thread reminding me of one of those nifty tricks of my Dad's--rattling off Latin phrases or translating terms. |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:38 PM (#1109244) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy successio is more to do with succession, as in an office, taking the place of someone successus is correct for succes |
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04 Feb 04 - 12:40 PM (#1109247) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Den Thanks everyone for your help. |
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04 Feb 04 - 01:03 PM (#1109263) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: open mike as for actually SPEAKING latin, I hear this is not done much any more! |
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04 Feb 04 - 01:38 PM (#1109295) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: DonMeixner My personal motto bespeaks my general laziness. Carpe Post Meridian = Seize The Afternoon. My plan is to retire someplace and a Bed and Lunch. Don |
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04 Feb 04 - 01:41 PM (#1109299) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Firecat I've got a personal Latin motto! I got it from the book "Moondial" by Helen Cresswell. It is "Lux et Umbra vicissim, sed semper Amor", otherwise known as "Light and Shadow by turns, but always Love". |
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04 Feb 04 - 02:21 PM (#1109339) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw Anyone translate this phrase into Latin: "The truth, wherever it may lead" After 'Veritas', I'm lost! |
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04 Feb 04 - 03:43 PM (#1109402) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Veritas, quacumque duceat! present subjunctive 'it may lead' or Veritas, quacumque ducebit! future 'it will lead.' I think I would opt for the future tense here. I think this is right |
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04 Feb 04 - 04:01 PM (#1109420) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Helen Mooman, Labor omnia vincit was our high school motto. Of course, being a girls' high school the students changed it to Amor omnia vincit - Love conquers all. victoria = victory, so you could consider that instead of "success". Helen |
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04 Feb 04 - 06:29 PM (#1109521) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Amos If there are any questions not resolved, Deda teaches Latin professionally as well. You can PM her. A |
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04 Feb 04 - 11:44 PM (#1109700) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Deda I'm delighted to see that catters continue to dip into Latin questions from time to time. Lingua haud mortua est. (the language is not dead!) Re "wherever it leads" -- Off the top of my head I'd think that "quocumque" (masculine or neuter) would be better for "wherever" than "quacumque" (feminine). ("Quo vadis" means "where are you going?", and the suffix "-cumque" is similar to -soever.) Also I think that rather than "quocumque duceat" OR "ducebit", a Roman might say something like, "veritam sequar, ad quidquid finem" -- I shall follow truth to whatever end. |
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04 Feb 04 - 11:58 PM (#1109711) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Shanghaiceltic Deda, when I was in the Royal Navy (submarines) one of our engineering officers would often say ' Semper in excretum, soumus solem profundum variat' Excuse the bad spelling but I think it meant Always in the s***, only the depth varies Is it correct? |
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05 Feb 04 - 12:34 AM (#1109722) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,.gargoyle Since several others have posted this direction
Drop the Latin and go for a good gutteral German pharse |
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05 Feb 04 - 06:39 AM (#1109828) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST Deda, since you are professionally qualified, and since it is over thirty years since I studied Latin, could you settle an argument regarding the opening line of Caesar's Gallic Wars ? I always thought the line was "Omnis Gallia in tres partes divisa est", but I have seen it written as "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" which doesn't sound right to me. Could you give an authoritative adjudication ? |
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05 Feb 04 - 06:44 AM (#1109832) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Daithi Had the "interesting" experience of learning both Latin and Classical Greek at school in the sixties. Fascinating stuff, very helpful when learning some modern European languages or trying to spell some English words - but I refuse to believe anybody actually ever spoke them. It just takes too long to remember the correct endings... Avete atque Valete |
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05 Feb 04 - 06:48 AM (#1109834) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: DMcG Guest: I have forgotten almost all the Latin I ever learned - which wasn't much to begin with - but I certainly remember the teacher hammering on about word order: Subject, Object, Adverb, Verb. That would make the form you remember the right one. |
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05 Feb 04 - 08:28 AM (#1109874) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Leadfingers I still like Sam Vimes -- Veni Vermini Vomiti -- I Came I Got Ratted I Threw Up |
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05 Feb 04 - 09:14 AM (#1109911) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Snuffy "Ubique quo fas et gloria ducunt" is the Royal Regiment of Artillery motto. |
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05 Feb 04 - 09:59 AM (#1109938) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Sttaw Legend Pope John Paul II - he will be only to willing to help. |
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05 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM (#1109964) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: JennyO Helen and Moo, "Labor Omnia Vincit" was my old High School motto too. What high school did you go to, Helen? Was it in Sydney? Personally, I like "In Vino Veritas", which I could loosely translate to mean, "When I get really pissed I shoot my mouth off and say things I shouldn't have said..." Jenny |
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05 Feb 04 - 12:20 PM (#1110043) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: mooman A most enjoyable and educational thread! O! Plus! Perge! Aio! Hui! Hem! Pax moo |
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05 Feb 04 - 12:32 PM (#1110053) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Dr Will C U Now Nihil Illigitimus Carborundum Never let the bastards grind you down. (OFr) Honi Soir Qui Mal Y Pense Evil to him that does bad things in his pants. |
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05 Feb 04 - 12:35 PM (#1110059) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: SueB I had the most captivating Latin teacher at Boston Latin in the seventh grade, who taught us to conjugate verbs to the tune of the Mexican Hat Dance - Amo, amas, amat, Amamus, amatis, amant Amabo, amabas, amabat... From her I learned to "semper ubi sub ubi". |
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05 Feb 04 - 12:50 PM (#1110072) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Hog I can only speak the "Pig Latin" variety, and not well at that. I do love latin and they should have never done away with it as a requirement in high school. |
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05 Feb 04 - 12:59 PM (#1110079) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Les from Hull Guest - 'Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres' is what the lad wrote. |
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05 Feb 04 - 01:02 PM (#1110083) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: DMcG I believe you, Les, but my teacher would have marked him down! |
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06 Feb 04 - 03:10 AM (#1110526) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw Bill Kennedy and Dede - thank you both very much. |
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06 Feb 04 - 08:39 AM (#1110677) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Helen SueB "semper ubi sub ubi". Clever! Hog, I love Latin too. JennyO, it was Maitland Girls' High, now (co-ed) & called Maitland Grossmann High, named after the founder, a Miss Grossmann, so one of the few schools - if there are any others in Oz - named after a woman. Helen |
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06 Feb 04 - 08:53 AM (#1110690) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: freda underhill jennyo, my understanding of latin is non gradus anus rodentum. i obviously went to the wrong school! |
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06 Feb 04 - 09:06 AM (#1110697) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: JennyO Ok freda, I'll bite - does this mean you don't give a rat's arse? Helen, I went to Sydney Girls High. Not that it did me any good...................... |
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06 Feb 04 - 09:29 AM (#1110720) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: GUEST,Frug "Emolumentum" on its own might do being achievement oir product of effort. |
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06 Feb 04 - 06:58 PM (#1111043) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Helen I e-mailed "semper ubi sub ubi" to my sister. Quick as a flash she sent me this back: Superman's motto "semper ubi sub ubi super" Helen |
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06 Feb 04 - 07:27 PM (#1111055) Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin From: Amos (Always wear underwear on the outside!!") LOL!!! Another whacky sisterhood indeed! A |