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13 Feb 04 - 07:32 PM (#1115539) Subject: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Skipjack K8 Me and my bruv, Freereeder, are running a two-day workshop at Cottenham Summer School (Cambridgeshire) on Monday 1st/Tuesday 2nd August 2004. I have scanned the details, which appear below, so I apologise for the jumble, but if there is any interest form Mudcatters, please PM me, or state it here. The course fee is £57, which includes coffee, lunch and tea, but not accomodation. There is a good deal of local interest, but there is space for any prospective sessioneers on Mudcat. "Joining in with a pub music session What's the course all about? The aim is to enable students to join in a traditional music pub session with confidence, including learning 'standard' tunes, session etiquette, playing by ear, sourcing tune scores and accompaniment. Students will also be able to try out what they've learned at our own evening pub session. What instruments are appropriate? Essentially any portable instrument, plucked, squeezed, bowed, blown, percussed or otherwise manipulated. In practice most sessions tend mainly to attract squeezeboxes, fiddles, banjos, guitars, whistles, flutes, dulcimers, mandolins, pipes and bodhrans. But other instruments also sometimes join in. If you play percussion (eg bodhran) as a second instrument, feel free to bring it along. To ensure a reasonable balance of different instruments on the course, we reserve the right to accept or refuse applications on that basis. So get your application in early! How competent a player do I have to be? Raw beginners will certainly get left behind, but anyone who basically knows their way around an instrument is welcome. Do I need to be able to read music? No, but it helps if you can. Session players tend to pick up tunes by ear — something we'll be encouraging you to do, since 'playing along' is a skill the session player needs to develop in order to get the best from the experience. But we'll be providing the dots for the tunes as well. What do I need to bring with me? A music stand, something to write with and on, any tunes you'd like to throw into the mix, bags of enthusiasm — oh, and a musical instrument would come in handy." |
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14 Feb 04 - 11:32 AM (#1115870) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Bloke in the Corner What's all this, skippy? Trying to pass on your bad habits to poor unsuspecting members of the folk fraternity? Anyway, why wasn't I invited to bring my undoubted playing talent and vocal excellence for a modest fee? OK, maybe I know. This could be the start of a a nationwide series, to fire the collective imagination of the whole country... you could even franchise the idea out... beats selling oil.... |
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14 Feb 04 - 12:25 PM (#1115892) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Plucked from the Start Such courses are run all over the World for free - just go along to your local session and join in!!!! You can't "Teach" such things they're Tradition...... Like the list of requirements "A Music Stand" - very handy at a local session and when learning how to play by ear!!! And anyone coming to one of our local session with £57 to throw away is more than welcome - "the bar's over there"..... |
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14 Feb 04 - 01:19 PM (#1115917) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Oaklet God speed, Skip. The ability to publish this sort of post and the sentiment behind it is why I married you. Listen - Plucked from the Start, some might see the high standard of musicianship and singing that is prevalent at your sessions as being a barrier to freely participate. God knows only knows what they'd think of being relegated to the bar whilst the great and good get on with the serious business of playing and singing by ear. Give me strength. Anyone who has seen Skip's workshops on how to begin to play in public with others without fear of ridicule from the likes of Plucked, will realise that sessions may well be more populous in future due to his encouragement. He offers this through sharing his experiences wittily as a beginner on some instruments despite being an expert on others. Plucked From the Start has signified via the enlightened posting that there is a profound need for this type of thing. £57 well spent in my opinion. Get yourselves to Cottenham if you can and when you've broken through that the barrier of playing your first tune or singing a treasured song in public, send Plucked (assuming that he or she hasn't succeeded in managing to play where beginners are barred) to the bar to buy you a celebtation drink. And raise a glass to Skip. I'd love to know "where one of our session" (sic) actually is. Beginners who rely on music stands in our neck of the woods always seem to have such a good time. Doesn't it just get on your nerves, Plucked? |
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14 Feb 04 - 03:11 PM (#1115965) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Plucked from the start No problems with high standard of musicianship.... or any level of music making - that's what sessions are all about! The thread to me just looks like a total rip off -- pay £57 and "Ill show you how to play and act at sessions" - Sessions are just that a group of people getting together to make music and open house for everyone who makes music - on whatever instrument - are welcome to join in. Teaching people to play in public is teaching them how to perform.... not session playing, a session is just socialising with music!!!!! The "Beginners session" put down beginners from the start "Raw beginners will certainly get left behind, but anyone who basically knows their way around an instrument is welcome." that sound like preaching to the converted... "To ensure a reasonable balance of different instruments on the course, we reserve the right to accept or refuse applications on that basis". Maybe but any good session wouldn't!!!! Open to all whatever they play - and if you've got 10 bodharans so what!!! "One of our sessions" would be one of the hundreds of locations I have played throughout the World both in pubs/clubs and festivals - the same attitude is held - if there's a session you'll be welcome - with your instrument or voice No charge no rules just join in lead listen learn enjoy making music with like minded people........ I DO NOT RIDICULE MUSICIAN IN PUBLIC OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!!! and sessions are packed as it is - with always room for more!!!! who will be welcome without a certificate!!!! I haven't barred or played in a session where anyone is barred neither would I want to!!!! The playing by ear and bring a music stand was from the first posting not from anything I said I only commented on the contradiction in terms!!!!!!!! I still think if someone wants to invest £57 they should use it in petrol and beer get around the many session in this country and "learn" from the people that go along.... They WILL be welcomed and implying they won't so they sign up for a course in playing at what after all is a FREE FOR ALL is very presumptuous! Please Don't misquote me or make up scary tales about bogeymen at sessions who will ridicule newcomers - its remarks that scare beginners and stop them from coming to sessions - mind you it might also persuade them to go for paid courses - maybe this was the reason behind your comments?????? I have been playing in sessions for over 50 years and anyone who knows me will tell you I'm the first to welcome newcomers to sessions and offer both help and encouragement - without payment! and so do 99% of the other musicians I have played with over the years....... |
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14 Feb 04 - 04:05 PM (#1115992) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,One wheel on me Barrow Skipjack K8 Quote: from Talking in Pubs...... Music Session..... It isn't for everyone though, and some of the musicians present did get up and leave when the talking started, but then the pub started to fill up when passing trade heard the craic. No doubt there will be some backlash next week, and it'll be back to playing the same old tunes, but it was surprising to see how quickly the pub filled up when there was something worth listening to. A bit of a put-down for sessions from someone who is charging people for something he treats with such contempt??? |
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15 Feb 04 - 07:36 AM (#1116287) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST £57 for something people do for free and love every night of the week, this is a BS thread aint it, you are having a laugh !!! |
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15 Feb 04 - 08:03 AM (#1116296) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: PennyBlack Open welcome to anyone to come along to the following "Open Sessions" - no charge, you'll be welcomed by musicians young & old - amateurs and pros alike - learn from the "Old Timers" and teach us a thing or two as well! Blackpool area:- Sunday: The Halfway House(near Blackpool Airport) from 8.30pm Tuesday: The Bull, Waterloo Rd, South Shore, Blackpool. from 9.00pm Wednesday: The Falcon, Hardhorn Way, Poulton-le-Fylde, Nr Blackpool. from 9.00pm. I'm sure there's hundreds of other sessions that would welcome newcomers with "open arms" (and before someone has a go at me - I DON'T MEAN WITHOUT AN INSTRUMENT!) go and make friends and make some good music in the real world.... |
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15 Feb 04 - 08:31 AM (#1116299) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Skipjack K8 Thanks for the comments here, and the PMs. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the PMs are from interested people rightfully fearful of ridicule here, which is presumably why we were asked to run the course in the first place, as there are obviously folk interested in becoming involved without feeling their way round this impenetrable culture perpetuated by attitudes displayed here. I would also point out that the course cost compares favourably with training weekends such as the Workout Weekend run by Folkworks, and is offered in the same spirit. Please will any further interested UK Mudcatters contact me by PM as there seems no point in further feeding grammatically challenged trolls here. |
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15 Feb 04 - 08:58 AM (#1116302) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull This sounds like a good thing, will you be teacjing people how to do fire eating as well? and can people take there pets? |
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15 Feb 04 - 08:59 AM (#1116303) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull anyway=i might go if im not doing nowt.john |
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15 Feb 04 - 09:01 AM (#1116305) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull i;ll have to look in my dairy, to see waht i,m doing at that time. |
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15 Feb 04 - 10:16 AM (#1116330) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Skipjack K8 jOhn, hamsters and goldfish are especially welcome. The only other music related course is on African Djembe drumming for beginners. I didn't mention it before, so maybe the nameless ones would like to have a go at that one. PS Penny, I am not lumping you in with the trolls, and good luck with attracting new blood to your sessions. |
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15 Feb 04 - 10:54 AM (#1116351) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: PennyBlack I'm glad about that! I've read through all the post (yet again) and to be quite honest - I didn't feel anyone was ridiculing newcomers - just questioning the need for a "course" on playing at sessions. I also took Plucking's comment re. "the bar's over there"..... not as a put down for the newcomers more a "tongue in cheek remark about if they have that much money (unlike us poor folkies) they can get a round in... (although our Landlord's do that at most of our session.... lucky us) - and maybe should have been followed by a ;-) His/her further outburst was just in response to Oaklet's rather scathing and somewhat unfounded personal remarks. If you have done your homework and there is a need for such a course (what a shame if there is - I hope no one is put off playing at any of our sessions - where even the audiences have been know to pick up and play spoons and even buy Bodhrans etc. just to be even more a part of the session) I wish you luck. Maybe you might look at an idea that was instigated at a club I went to many years ago when the evening sessions started an hour earlier for "newcomers" when they played chatted and got to know one another - then when the regulars arrived the newcomers were in situ warmed up (and in the regulars seats :-) ) and the evening merged together very well. Is there no way you could run the event without charging - eg local room in a pub (who would most likely be more than happy to let you have it free especially if the people were buying drinks and food?) and I'm sure plenty of musicians would offer there skills for free. N.B. I'm not getting at you or the idea just offering my meagre observations and suggestions, I think we all want to encourage new people into music (we steal some of our best songs from them ;-) ) good luck with your venture, and I hope it does what you want it to hope you still don't lump me with the Trolls :-) PB |
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15 Feb 04 - 11:13 AM (#1116355) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST Good Luck. Music workshops are popular down sarf. So there must be a happy number of people who enjoy them. And those who don't, won't be attending. Sounds ideal. |
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15 Feb 04 - 02:07 PM (#1116452) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Skipjack K8 Consider yourself still unlumped, Penny! What you say is, of course, what we all do at inclusive sessions (like our Six Bells session) and who would think of invoicing any soul wandering in and expressing interest in joining in? I ought to declare my interest in this. Cottenham Summer School (CSS) have identified demand for this sort of course, as they have presumably been asked to offer this type of instruction. I was approached to present part of the course on the strength of a couple of workshops that I have already run. CSS calculate the cost of courses, and charge accordingly. CSS pay course tutors for their time and travel expenses. Tutors quite rightly receive a small fraction of the course fees; quite rightly, because tutors enjoy imparting advice and experience to course attendees, and aren't there to earn unconscionable salaries. CSS asked me to advertise their course where I thought there might be some interest, which I have done here, which has been successful for those who have chosen to PM and avoid being howled at here. So would anyone still convinced that this venture is such a terrible rip-off please heap their opprobrium on Cottenham Summer School. I have simply followed Mudcat Rule Number 1 here by not feeding the trolls, which includes anyone adopting an oh-so-hilarious guest title. |
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15 Feb 04 - 03:04 PM (#1116477) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Bloke in the Corner Go for it, Skip. I know noone who travels further to sessions than you (though they do say it's only to get out of this 'pissant swamp' for a few hours), and you so clearly love the tradition. It's always a pleasure to be at a session with you, I'm sure few would begrudge a few coppers for leading a workshop. And there most certainly ARE plenty of people - young and old - who just don't think they would be good enough to join in at a session. If you can allay those fears you will be doing a good job in bringing new instruments and voices into the circle. |
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16 Feb 04 - 03:57 AM (#1116767) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST SO trolls beware GOD has spoken. |
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16 Feb 04 - 04:54 AM (#1116786) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,oik If you give my granny $57 she could teach you to suck eggs too. |
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16 Feb 04 - 05:27 AM (#1116801) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: s&r In the NW we have an organisation calle Folkus. We offer tuition at all levels in traditional instruments, and run workshops all over the NW. Our aims are similar to Folkworks; but we are smaller and less experienced. We have just run a residential weekend with tutors including Ben and Joe Broughton, John Kirkpatrick, Carolyn Frances, Derek Gifford, Phil Brown, Frank Lewis, us (Stu and Rusty Wright) Alan Bell et al. The all in cost was less than £100. There is a need for this sort of tuition: we try to meet it - one of our aims is to give people the confidence to play in public - session or stage. All sessions are not equally welcoming; there are conventions of behaviour that are peculiar to each session, and it can be intimidating. While it's true that you can develop skills and pick up technique from the guy next to you in the pub, thaat only happens when you've plucked up courage to go through the door and sit down (as PB intimated perhaps in someone's place?....). In the Blackpool area we're lucky perhaps. There are sessions and clubs that are welcoming, including those mentioned by Penny Black - add the Victoria at Fleetwood (Sunday) Ann and Eddie's club at the Clarence in Blackpool, Sue Arrow's acoutic roots and so on. We teach and provide encouragement to attend sessions and perform. These are all complementary activities IMO rathe than alternatives. Best of luck Skipjack - everyone who tries to promote folk music is my friend - all the best Stu |
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16 Feb 04 - 06:20 AM (#1116819) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,GUEST: Screamer Very interesting to note the serial abuse of the exclamation mark in parts of this thread. In my trade we call exclamation marks screamers, a good word for them. It is apparently a condition of being a prat that there is a compulsion to deploy meaningless strings of screamers and question marks, in the belief that this somehow lends weight or endorsement to an aerated opinion. It looks like the literal equivalent of some red-faced old bigot spluttering with rage. This tends to portray the abuser of exclamation marks, et al, as either a comical blimp or an ignoramus. It's significant that our correspondent, Get Plucked, starts out by firing off just a scattering of three or four screamers in a row to endorse his or her opinions. As he or she gets more wound up, the number of screamers and question marks increase exponentially --- fairly spluttering with indignation! Calm down, Get Plucked. People go on courses to learn about stuff that interests them. I believe the grammar, syntax and punctuation module comes highly recommended. Pip pip Screamer |
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16 Feb 04 - 06:35 AM (#1116823) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: PennyBlack Welcome back S&R - Good Weekend?? With reference to the above clubs sessions... I think the Victoria Sessions have moved to the Steamer and is now an open mic with PA and lights on the stage (haven't had a chance to have a look yet though - ask Eileen.) I only mentioned the Sessions - but here are a more local events where beginners are welcome, most use the come to the front with or without PA system set-up and sing a couple of songs.. I would think most beginners would find this more intimidating than a sing-around or a session - Sunday - The Steamer (open mic)- Fleetwood, from 8.30pm Monday - Hole in One (open Mic)Clarence - Lytham St.Annes from 9.00pm Tuesday - Stock & Bonds Social Club(open mic with and without mic!)- St Annes from 9.00pm Wednesday - Clarence (Folk Club - Mainly Artists)- Preston New Rd Blackpool from 8.30pm Thursday - Fleetwood Folk Club (mainly sing-around) - The Steamer (see above) from 8.30pm sorry to drift off topic again! good luck (dump the school and do it yourself - I'm sure you could do a good job of it and cheaper for the newcomers) PB |
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16 Feb 04 - 06:36 AM (#1116824) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Billy no teeth I would LOVE to be able to suck eggs.$57 seems a small price to pay to be taught this noble art.Could you provide more details oik? |
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16 Feb 04 - 08:25 AM (#1116905) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Syntax C F G E A D There you go everybody. That is all you need to know.Why don't you all open bank accounts in your clubs name, each putting £57 into it and watch your club flourish. |
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16 Feb 04 - 08:33 AM (#1116916) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,TAXMAN I think I'll need to keep my eye on this cottage industry that is beginning to grow, more income to government for the needy. |
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16 Feb 04 - 08:48 AM (#1116927) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Heather It may seem easy to the experienced. I'm sure most folkies are lovely welcoming people. I, however, would feel much more confident if I had a bit of knowledge before joining in with other musicians. I hope to go to the workshop - and I'll take my concertina along for an unaccustomed outing. Watch out world(screamer) |
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16 Feb 04 - 09:11 AM (#1116946) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST Good look Heather most "folkies" (dont let them hear you calling them folkies)are already certified. |
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16 Feb 04 - 10:37 AM (#1116973) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Buffy the pigeon slayer I'm on my way. oh, sorry, wrong thread. |
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16 Feb 04 - 11:59 AM (#1117042) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,John McCusker Can I come? |
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16 Feb 04 - 12:02 PM (#1117045) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Kate Rusby No! |
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16 Feb 04 - 07:14 PM (#1117305) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: s&r The victoria in Fleetwood is still going strong but apparently there was a splinter movement to the Steamer - dunno why. |
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16 Feb 04 - 07:16 PM (#1117306) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: alanww Good luck Skip, I hope it goes well. For anyone who has been to lots of sessions before it all seems so easy but I can remember that to go to one as a new thing is quite frightening! BTW I presume you mean Monday 2 and Tuesday 3 of August, which is Sidmouth FF week - so, if anyone is at a loose end, try the English music sessions at the Radway Inn and the unaccompanied singing at the Middle Bar of the Anchor Inn as brill alternatives. "As I rose up at break of day ...!" Alan |
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16 Feb 04 - 08:14 PM (#1117352) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Peter K (Fionn) Could it be that the extent to which sessions protest their friendliness is a good measure of the extent to which they are in fact cliquey? Well maybe not always, but certainly sometimes. It takes a fair degree of nerve for even a moderate musician, on his or her own, to sit down at a session among total strangers. For a relative beginner, hoping to pick up the tunes by osmosis, it is an even greater challenge. This thread is a good illustration of what limited understanding certain sessioneers have of this simple fact. |
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17 Feb 04 - 01:47 AM (#1117490) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Bassic i am avoiding saying absolutely anything controversial in this post in case i spark anything controversial but skipy knows where my sentiments lie and that goes for controversial punctuation as well cos i dont like controversial things but that might be controversial to say that so i wont say any contraversial things any more |
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17 Feb 04 - 04:12 AM (#1117537) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: tartan babe C F G E A D There you go everybody. That is all you need to know. Was this humour? :-? |
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17 Feb 04 - 04:59 AM (#1117560) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST Its not humour at £57 |
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17 Feb 04 - 05:17 AM (#1117571) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Punctuation Paying for music lessons could hardly be considered as a radical new concept can it folks? My only concern is, are the musicians who are asking for your £57, qualified music teachers, or do they just like themselves a lot? |
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17 Feb 04 - 10:07 AM (#1117714) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,starbright This site appears to be concerned more with punctuation then music, with quote ''grammatically challenged trolls'' etc.etc, And one poster being descibed as making ''rather scathing and somewhat unfounded personal remarks'' BUT at the risk of getting my head bitten off, I think that last question is worth an answer, don't you? |
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17 Feb 04 - 10:17 AM (#1117725) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Peter K (Fionn) Raise that with Cottenham Summer School if you're interested, starbright. They fix and collect the fee, and they appoint the tutors, according to Skip's earlier post. |
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17 Feb 04 - 12:00 PM (#1117799) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST I don't think a fee of £57 is to bad for a 2 day course that includes coffee, lunch and accomodation |
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17 Feb 04 - 12:14 PM (#1117815) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: John Routledge £57 gets you just under 2.5 hrs of 1:1 cello tuition or a bit more time if you get a teacher who may be less inspirational. |
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17 Feb 04 - 02:17 PM (#1117876) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Marje Good luck with the course, it sounds a good idea to me. I run an open music session and we try to be as welcoming to newcomers as we can, but some people do struggle a bit when they find it's all done by ear and that no-one can tell them what's going to happen next. I know there are other people who wouldn't even come to a session because they're afraid of being out of their depth, or feel that maybe everyone else knows things they don't know. It's pointless telling them, "Just go along and play" because they're not ready for that. The don't know (for instance) which keys are most accessible to other instruments, how many times to play each tune and its repeats, how to find out the names of the tunes and maybe get hold of a recording or the dots, and lots of the other things so sensibly listed in the course details. Sure, some of us have worked those things out for ourselves, but others find the whole thing too intimidating and mysterious. And why on earth shouldn't a fee be charged? People pay to attend all sorts of music courses. In this instance, what matters is not whether the tutors are qualified music teachers but whether they know their subject as defined in the course details, which I'm sure they do. It may be that some music sessions will make sure every newcomer is welcome and gets a quick induction into its habits and practices if necessary, but many don't, and can appear cliquey and inaccessible. If a course like this gives others the confidence to come along and have a go, it could be just what some people need. Best of luck! (oh, but do get rid of the music stands...) |
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19 Feb 04 - 10:06 AM (#1119131) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:18 AM (#1119193) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: s&r Slow Session run by Angie Bladen in Chorley. Supported by Folkus Stu |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:23 AM (#1119199) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,Worried Is post counselling available ? |
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27 Feb 04 - 04:03 AM (#1124995) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull |
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27 Feb 04 - 10:25 AM (#1125166) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: s&r Watch this space - there could be a new additional beginners session in Blackpool/preston area soon Stu |
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27 Feb 04 - 10:33 AM (#1125175) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: GUEST,jimi hendrix Will the Blackpool session be free, or are you going to take the piss and ask for £57 as well? I do not mind paying if the course is led by qualified music teachers, otherwise it should be free. |
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27 Feb 04 - 10:53 AM (#1125196) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: PennyBlack GUEST:jimi hendrix (sic) - There's no charge at the sessions in Blackpool - and if you will give me your name and come along I will take "The Piss" with pleasure if you need my help (no charge). N.B. There is a big difference between qualified and capable - not all teachers are good at what they do (this includes music teachers who can't play the instruments they teach) - but many unqualified (without a "Teaching Certificate") musicians are Far more competent. Maybe you should demand to see some sort of qualification from the acts you go to see at clubs or festivals before you pay to go in. PB |
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28 Feb 04 - 07:40 PM (#1125985) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: joe hill Good luck to the workshop. There is a thread I saw about how brilliant the W Clancey week in Ireland is, which I used to go to and had a great time. What is the Willy Clancey week? Its main thing is a set of workshops to commemorate the man, for which there is a fee for learners to develop and gain confidence and get used to playing with others. The hundreds of sessions developed around them. Many of the 'students' paying to attend workshops are impressive musicians, so I certainly wouldn't scoff at the idea of fees for lessons. There's always something else to learn and benefit from playing with different people. |
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17 Mar 04 - 05:03 AM (#1138966) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull ferrets. |
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17 Mar 04 - 06:20 AM (#1138992) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Noreen How much? |
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17 Mar 04 - 06:28 AM (#1139000) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 57 |
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18 Mar 04 - 06:14 AM (#1139837) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull pounds. |
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18 Mar 04 - 07:02 AM (#1139863) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Noreen per ferret? |
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06 May 04 - 02:07 AM (#1179159) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull yes |
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06 May 04 - 08:49 AM (#1179354) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Snuffy 57 lbs - that's heavy for a ferret. What do you feed them on? |
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06 May 04 - 09:11 AM (#1179389) Subject: RE: UK: Beginner's Session Workshop From: Noreen LOL.... 57 posts!! :0) |